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Russia Seeking to Absorb East Ukrainian Rebels Into Armed Forces, Says Kiev

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posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard




Kiev is getting little money from the west because they did not exterminate enough Russians in the east of the Ukraine and the sooner Russia steps in the better


Kiev's Junta leadership is the most idiotic one can come across since Saddam Hussien. At most they will get 2 pennies in aid from the west. West, for whom these psychopaths are going to war against the second most powerful nation on earth.

Let's see what has Junta achieved since the Maidan. NOTHING! But they lost Crimea, Donbass, stand to lose more than half of the map of what was Ukraine. They have also lost more than 10,000 KIA in troops, many more WIA, billions in machinery and 10s of billions in economic losses.

These idiots do not understand that mere 1200 troops, although the elite Russian VDVs, beat the crap of the Kiev army and right wing battalions in mere 3 days in the battle of Iloviask. Same process will be repeated again. Any where NAF is found lacking teeth, Russia will send in its troops with advanced weapons and tide will be turn fast and Junta forces will be destroyed like termites.

NATO expansion eastwards is not to protect the former Warsaw Pact nations. The real reason is any war with Russia will most probably be fought on these new member nation grounds. The premise is that destruction and destitution will be limited to Central and Eastern Europe while Western nations will sitting cosy sipping tea and cracking chips and pretzels on the CNN "one sided" news shows.

However the western war planners forgot Russia's nuclear and long range missile and air force capabilities. When it comes to whole of Europe, Russia might prove to be more than heavy and beyond hard to handle. W. European poodles including UK, France and Germany will face the same treatment as any other nation in C-E European theater.

Heck, mere food and fruit sanctions on western producers had them piling manure and offloading their rotting inventories in the street protests. We have not seen a single such protest from Russian people regarding varied sanctions thrown on them since early of this year. Couple more rounds on the screw pulled by Kremlin and European poodles will start to come apart at the seams faster than Putin can yank away his screwdriver.


edit on 7-11-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

Putin is a hippie, that`s why they hate him.


Putin: ‘Love is the meaning of life’

Source



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

They are not a part of the government.

the Neo Nazis in Russia are.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Whats the other shoe?



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Xcathdra

No response on the Latin America stuff? I suppose I'm derailing the thread by bringing it up?


I already stated my position...

You dont agree with it. Why would I waste time trying to argue something you refuse to acknowledge?



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

"I already stated my position...

You dont agree with it. Why would I waste time trying to argue something you refuse to acknowledge?"

This from the guy constantly ignoring other people's opinions and screaming "REFUTE IT".

I refuted your position with facts. If you want to ignore it feel free but don't act like you are an open minded beacon of civilized discourse if you are going to ignore my opinions and tell me I'm being close minded.

Why argue something you refuse to acknowledge?

Are you trying to convince people to ignore your future threads?
edit on 8-11-2014 by tavi45 because: auto correct mistake



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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An interesting turn of events -

Russia respects, but does not recognize results of Novorossiya elections


Russia respects, but does not recognize results of Novorossiya elections. 53910.jpeg

The Russian authorities do not recognize the elections in the breakaway People's Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk. Presidential aide Yury Ushakov said that the Kremlin respected, but did not recognize the November 2 elections in the people's republics.

Previously, policy-makers of foreign countries have threatened to tighten sanctions against Russian politicians, officials and businessmen, as well as state-run companies, should the country recognize the elections in the People's Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. According to foreign officials, the elections were held in those territories contrary to the Minsk agreements from September 5th.

"Russia's official position has been expressed in a short, albeit capacious statement from the Ministry for Foreign Affairs. It uses the word "respect," Interfax quoted Ushakov as saying.

When asked whether it was possible to equate "respect" and "recognition", he replied: "These are different words. The word "respect" was chosen deliberately. We fundamentally respect the will of the voters."

Noteworthy, presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov stated that Vladimir Putin was not going to meet with elected heads of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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Looks like this thread will need to go into the HOAX bin.

Oh well.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 03:05 AM
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originally posted by: APT1Yksnidnak



Looks like this thread will need to go into the HOAX bin.

Oh well.


Why is that? Is it to avoid the fact Russia has been lying about what they are doing or the fact you cant refute the info?

Either or being the comment is coming from a person who just joined the site I think you should spend more time reading and participating than trying to derail a thread with a bogus account.
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posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

That's just so crazy, if I were a man and a politician, I'd probably be a lot like Putin, giving his biography and all...
But it doesn't change the fact, modern politics are more about finding compromises.
How would a real war work, right? What about the space programs, economy and all that?
So if anything happens, it only can be a proxy war. And that's already kind of happening, with Assad, and the Ukraine. I would drop the A-bomb but thank God more patient people are in charge. Like it or not, this world is already connected beyond any fronts, we are already beyond the oh so feared new world order, that train left the station sometime around the 50ies...
I think it is just a kind of an staged play for us the lowest levels of the pyramid, all the upper parts probably don't need the childish things like nationality and religion anymore.
So if there would be something that needs to be taken care of, then it is all the xenophobics, narrow minded, fanatic, analphabetic little suckers, who refuse to recycle and take responsibility.
Oh and scientology...(But that's mostly me who seriously hates them, and the countries having them in their upper pyramid levels, should worry about the snakes on their chests.)



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I wish there was a way an easy way to identify all the people who said this wasn't going to happen and then have 1 skunk attached to their posts for every time they were wrong. Then I would know who I should be paying attention to. I come on here to learn and it's getting harder every day. Thank you OccamsRazor04 for being at least one person who gives an opinion based on facts!




posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard


One more time..

the recent elections removed far right / nationalist parties from government. Not one group in that category got the 5% minimum vote required to hold seats.

Russia on the other hand has over 50 + members in their Duma who are Neo Nazi / Socialist / Right Wing.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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Russia respects, but does not recognize results of Novorossiya elections



That surely is an interesting revelation from Russia.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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I wish there was a way an easy way to identify all the people who said this wasn't going to happen


There is as they are the same few that say it in every thread about Ukraine. Just look through the threads and it becomes very apparent very quickly.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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This from the guy constantly ignoring other people's opinions and screaming "REFUTE IT".


That's because there is a difference between an opinion and fact...the problem is that you and many others that back Russia are using your opinions as fact which they aren't which is why you can't refute the facts.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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Yes I am new and still learning.

But I’ve read your source and I have a few questions.


First: Do you have any source on the “summons” of the 24-27k rebels into the Russian military on Nov. 5th? It’s after that date and haven’t heard anything about it.

Second: Why is there only one source reporting this? Wouldn’t other legit outlets be running with this too? Kind of a big announcement (if it was true).


I ask these because I haven’t seen anything else being reported. There hasn’t been any mass check-ins at local command offices or anything of that nature. It would be very noticeable and would be reported. Thats why I pointed that this was a hoax from the Ukrainian side (wouldn’t be the first time).

Unless you can provide legit evidence of this happening, I’ll still file it under the HOAX category.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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When I provided facts they were ignored with an opinion.

Seems you guys do what you accuse me and others of doing.

This thread is as pointless as it gets.

We get it. America is perfect. Russia is evil. Guess you really want that clear cut Cold War mentality back.



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 02:42 PM
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Let's see what has Junta achieved since the Maidan. NOTHING! But they lost Crimea, Donbass, stand to lose more than half of the map of what was Ukraine. They have also lost more than 10,000 KIA in troops, many more WIA, billions in machinery and 10s of billions in economic losses.

You see a thief thinks he's going to get rich before he robs a house.

He's stuffed when he gets caught because everyone knows he's coming and then he will be lucky to escape with a shirt on his back.

Xcathdra

Do a youtube (these are owned by Google so its a western bias view you will get anyway) and type in "Nazis Ukraine" and then you will know if they come from Kiev or the east of the Ukraine.

Really its that simple




You dont agree with it. Why would I waste time trying to argue something you refuse to acknowledge?


Yes indeed



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

Don't waste your breath.


So far there has been ZERO evidence that the "summons" was even real. More evidence support that this is just another Ukrainian HOAX. Just like the jewish letters that were being given out at the beginning of the conflict.

All that we can do is - push for this thread to be placed into the 'HOAX' bin



posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: APT1Yksnidnak

What? Russia is the only country that lies, fixes elections, uses unjust military force, or engages in propaganda.

Haven't you been paying attention?



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