Bodies of 286 Women Found in Donetsk

originally posted by: tavi45

Russia is not the bad guy here. The evidence keeps piling up.

Both sides are guilty, you can't have a squeaky clean war with no casualties, victims or fatalities.

Something is piling up that's for damn sure and it doesn't smell like roses...

It's just another incident proving that humans, in general, are a sorry lot. I laugh every time someone implies humans are an advanced life form in the universe.

a reply to: douglas5

Exactly 286. That specific a number should be a red flag. No pictures to back the claim. Zakharchenko is lying through his teeth, yet already people are assigning blame. It's propaganda, people. This claim will never be verified and will be forgotten within days when no proof is provided.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: MysterX

This story just broke and you're already convinced who did and didn't do it and why.

Yeah, let's not wait to find out any more details.

This factoid was a clue mate..

Around 400 women between the ages of 18 and 25 have gone missing in Krasnoarmeisk where [Ukrainian forces] Dnepr-1 was based.

Dnepr-1 is a specialised Army group, called in much the same as the SS was a specialised Army group.

They are nominated as an MIA Army group, which means 'Ministry of Interior Affairs', basically the secret police / Government thugs.

They were stationed where these hundreds of bodies are being reported found.

The Ministry of internal affairs Pro-Kiev regiment, were routed from this position after being encircled by the free Ukraine fighters and a good many managed to slip away from the area in retreat...this is when the free Ukraine fighters discovered this macabre cache of raped and butchered Women.

I'd say i'm jumping to the same conclusion any reasonable person would, given the back story of this Army group...until i see evidence that refutes this massacre, i see no reason to believe any differently at the moment.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Of course Russia is not completely blameless. Russian is not a nation of pacifist monks. They have only responded to American threats to their security though, from the start. During the cold war America was the better of the two though we had our share of dirty game playing. Now America is the only nation on earth that has a finger in every pie. We are the bad guys, no two ways around it.

a reply to: MysterX

...this is when the free Ukraine fighters discovered this macabre cache of raped and butchered Women.

So... does this mean you have actually seen it, then?

a reply to: MysterX

I appreciate the narrative.

But jumping to conclusions is jumping to conclusions and is not looking at details to ascertain facts and has been proven to be a bad way to fly

I'd say i'm jumping to the same conclusion any reasonable person would, given the back story of this Army group...until i see evidence that refutes this massacre, i see no reason to believe any differently at the moment.

I'm not saying what you believe is true or false.. I simply don't know

What we don't know for sure is if this story is even true or if the details are accurate nor if it even happened.

But I'm glad to see people jumping to conclusions.
Great exercise I suppose.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: douglas5

Those poor Women.

Just imagining a small part of the terror of their last few moments of life is sickening.

Those Ukrainians that raped and snuffed out those Women's lives are murdering animals, no that's an insult to animals, they're monsters.

And to think there are people on this board that speak up for these scum...not sure if defending those filth doesn't make them an accessory to this torture and murder or not, but it could be argued they are giving comfort to murderers and rapists.

If that's you, congratulations! You picked a dandy side to champion!

Why do you ignore my source where I show this was never said, and it's a lie.

originally posted by: MysterX

They were stationed where these hundreds of bodies are being reported found.

There were no bodies found, and the person being quoted as saying there were has gone on Russia TV and said he never said this.

The fact that so many of you big time defenders of Western Imperialism and NATO would show up on this thread.

Tells me that indeed western backed Ukrainian Fascists (neo nazi city gangs given guns and sent east) raped and killed women on mass.)

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: MysterX

They were stationed where these hundreds of bodies are being reported found.

There were no bodies found, and the person being quoted as saying there were has gone on Russia TV and said he never said this.

Really?

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Can you provide a link to the media you mention please, i'd like to see it for myself.

Incidentally, this if true, is exactly the evidence i was talking about to refute story.

I see no problem with taking a story on faith, UNTIL evidence that would refute that story comes to light.

We do have the ability to change stance and opinion based on the information at hand, and if this evidence Occams mentions pans out, that's exactly what i'll be doing, changing my opinion.

a reply to: SLAYER69

In fairness slayer, almost the entire world and his dog jumped on Russia as soon as MH17 came down.

The debris had only just about stopped raining out of the sky when the sweaty, trembling fingers were being pointed at Russia or the Free Ukraine fighter, anywhere but the West and Kiev effectively.

Not many people were criticised for going along with that instant narrative back then.

a reply to: MysterX

At the same time, Mr Zakharchenko told Russian TV Lifenews that he had never made such a statement. He just said that 30—400 girls went missing since the conflict started

www.belsat.eu...

Here is the Russian Life News source.

lifenews.ru...


RT said they had a video they would post .. no video of him saying this was posted, it does not exist. He did not say it.

a reply to: MysterX

We are not talking about how MH17 came down.

We are discussing two things really.

1.) If this story is even true

2.) If true, who's to blame.

The second depends on the first and we haven't even reached that yet, but jumping to conclusions doesn't help the situation nor throwing in something that has nothing to do with the possible crime in an attempt to bolster a potentially non existent case which muddies the facts if there are any.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That was your evidence, that single link?

Not really evidence when the links are around 20 -1 against your evidence Occams...if you look, there are many, many links to the story that these Women were in fact found, and very few that claim it's all false.

Is it natural that the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs would deny or refute such allegations that implicate their own departments private Army group?

I think so.

Is it evidence that the massacre did not happen when one or two links from the same source claim that it's false, or is it evidence that the massacre did actually happen when many more links claim that it did?

War is dirty, and this crap goes on...we've seen civilians deliberately targeted, we've seen commercial airliners brought down as a propaganda tool, is it so beyond the realms of possibility that this goes on during filthy war that you simply choose to believe one link that says it didn't happen over many more that say the opposite?

Time will tell, one way or the other..but for what it's worth, i hope you're right and it's just untrue propaganda.

a reply to: SLAYER69

I was illustrating that both sides during a bloody war, where lives are being regularly snuffed out without notice, that this sort of fast one is pulled.

It's a valid argument as it demonstrates the evil capabilities of the combatants and the lengths they are prepared to go to.

200 passengers callously murdered on an aircraft, implies 286 Women on the ground wouldn't be much of a psychological problem for those doing the slaughter...and as i say, the MIA Army group is a 'specialised' Army group attached to the Ukrainian Ministry..think Germany's SS from the 40's...they didn't have a psychological problem with killing either.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That was your evidence, that single link?

So you don't care if it's true or false, you want lots of links? It doesn't matter that the man in question personally said he never said this?

Not really evidence when the links are around 20 -1 against your evidence Occams...if you look, there are many, many links to the story that these Women were in fact found, and very few that claim it's all false.

All quoting RT .. who promised a video .. that was never delivered.

Is it natural that the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs would deny or refute such allegations that implicate their own departments private Army group?

I think so.

Good thing I linked to Alexander Zakharchenko, who is part of the rebels.

Is it evidence that the massacre did not happen when one or two links from the same source claim that it's false, or is it evidence that the massacre did actually happen when many more links claim that it did?

It's a Russian news source that Alexander Zakharchenko was on and you don't care because RT said he said it?

War is dirty, and this crap goes on...we've seen civilians deliberately targeted, we've seen commercial airliners brought down as a propaganda tool, is it so beyond the realms of possibility that this goes on during filthy war that you simply choose to believe one link that says it didn't happen over many more that say the opposite?

Time will tell, one way or the other..but for what it's worth, i hope you're right and it's just untrue propaganda.

No you don't, you don't care, you want it to be true and after I prove it false you could care less because you prefer your narrative over the truth.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Put it this way.

If in a playground little Johnny gets a bloody nose.

30 of the kids watching say Little Frankie punched Johnny for no good reason, but 2 or 3 of the kids, Frankie's playground mates, say Johnny started it.

Who to believe?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

No you don't, you don't care, you want it to be true and after I prove it false you could care less because you prefer your narrative over the truth.

Get off your high horse, you have no idea what i think.

So this is your MO is it...'You're right because...you just know', Is that it mate?

That's about par for your evidence trail, so i'm not particularly surprised by your arrogance tbh.