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woman hears over 100 cat calls while walking through nyc

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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: Tangerine

Why do I have serious problems? The Ghomeshi remark was clearly a jab at him. I think you might be projecting here.




posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: FlySolo

The very same woman will be really pissed when they stop.

That will come soon enough



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: MAC269
a reply to: FlySolo

The very same woman will be really pissed when they stop.

That will come soon enough


Great point. There is a dichotomy in all of this I don't think women realize. If suddenly no man paid attention to her ever again....yeah, that would go over well.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Tangerine

Why do I have serious problems? The Ghomeshi remark was clearly a jab at him. I think you might be projecting here.


edit on 2-11-2014 by Tangerine because: waste of time



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:50 PM
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hmm...if I were a woman I would consider it harrassment as well. Bit it only becomes harrassment if like in the video it was the same man who followed her for 4 minutes. I know this doesnt answer the OP but what are all those males doing sitting around all day long looking at women. Oh thats right they are unemployed. hmmm...give them a job...but there are no jobs.

Conscript them into the forces then they can hassle someone overseas. Whoa certainly some messed up country



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Tangerine

Interesting you brought up the gay analogy. I happened to live in the gayest part of Canada called the west end of Vancouver. For a straight guy walking down the street I can relate to your analogy however, you get used to it. You learn not to make eye contact and you learn to block it out. Kinda exactly how and what women do. But men are always the pursuer, that's our role and women are always the choice maker. That's your role. We pursue and you decide if you want to be pursued. There are no "designated women pursuit areas" and love connections can happen in any arena. That's life and it ain't going to change anytime soon. While some guys are gentlemen about it and some are crass, it doesn't change a thing. Women are going to be pursued.


"We (ie. men) pursue and you (ie. women) decide if you want to be pursued." I guess you missed the part, which was the entire point of the video, that this woman didn't want to be pursued while walking down the street. You also missed the point about unwanted attention escalating (as it did in the video) from "Hello" to more aggressive behavior. What do you suppose might have happened if that woman had been walking on a dark, not so heavily populated street?

The very notion that it's OK for men to cross the line into giving women unwanted and unsolicited attention (calling out to her, approaching her, stalking her (even for a short distance) is a short step from unwanted physical contact. Are you aware that because most women are not physically as strong as most men and because many men regard women as prey women are constantly aware of the danger of sudden escalation? You, as a man, may have established a line you won't cross but a woman can't afford to assume that. She also can't assume that other men who may witness an actual physical assault will stop it. They may join in. Sure, that's not an every day occurrence, but it does happen and she knows it.

I understand that you can't get into the mind of a woman who perceives the potential danger in these situations and that may be a large part of the problem. From your perspective, it's harmless and flattering attention. From the woman's perspective it's something else. Let's take a different example and you can extrapolate from that.

As an adult, you see a child walking alone down the street receiving unsolicited adult attention. Men say, "Hello" and "You're beautiful" and smile but keep moving or, if standing still, stay there. I'll bet your "radar" picks up on it and you pay attention. Now a man moves rapidly to catch up to the child and walks beside the child for a distance and solicits attention from that child. He may reach out and touch the child's arm. He may say, "Hey, give me your number. Where do you live?" I'll bet that by now you're fully aware of the potential danger in that situation and may even intervene.

All children are potential prey but female children grow up to be women and are still potential prey. It's hard-wired into their brains. Think about it. The next time you have the impulse to yell, "Hey beautiful, give me your number", the woman is very likely to feel a surge of adrenaline as she switches into fight or flight mode--something you never intended. She has to be on high alert and attempt to calculate risk. She has to not only worry about you but about every male who has heard you and is now focused on her.


This is just sad, grow a thicker skin. They weren't groping her. That guy that followed her was a bit creepy, but he didn't touch her and nobody got into her personal space. This PC crap is getting ridiculous, next it will be, "oh noos, guys are staring because women managed to get the same rights to walk around naked from the waist up." It's a sad stupid world. Feminists bitch and moan about being able to do whatever men do and then bitch and moan about men doing what they normally do. You can't have it both ways.

Reminds me of a joke....

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Four women walk into a male brothel and ask the owner how much? He says $500 each, no refunds! One woman asks, "Isn't that a bit steep, what if we can't find a man we want?" The owner responds and says, "We have every kind of man you might want in every nationality on 4 floors, it costs a lot to run this place, but you can have any one you want." So the women talk for a minute and decide they'll go for it and hand the owner $500 each.

As they are walking towards the main elevator, the owner calls out, "The main elevator only goes up, remember, there are only 4 floors! There will be a sign on each floor to help you make your selection, so when you get to the floor that has the kind of man you want, get off the elevator and go to the main selection room on that floor. When your finished, just go to the other side of the building and take the express elevator down." All the women nod in understanding and agreement. They enter the main elevator and press the button for the first floor.

The elevator door opens and they see a sign that says, "Short Thin Men." They collectively shake there heads and press the button for the second floor.

The elevator door opens on the second floor and they see a sign that says, "Long Thin Men." They look at each other and one says, "It looks like things are getting better, let's keep going up." They all agree and one of them presses the button for the third floor.

The elevator door opens on the third floor and they see a sign that says, "Short Thick Men." They look at each other again and another one says, "Things are getting better, we should keep going up." Again they all agree and one presses the button for the fourth floor.

The elevator door opens on the fourth floor and they see a sign that says, "Long Thick Men." They look at each other again, this time with anticipation and one of them says, "Now we're talkin', we should get off on this floor," but then one of the others pipes up and says, "Wait a second, the men are getting better and better as we go higher, what's with this fifth floor button, was the owner holding out on us?" They all look at each other and decide that the men on the fifth floor must be amazing, they must be the best lovers, like high priced private stock. So after unanimous agreement, one of them presses the button for the fifth floor.

The elevator door opens on the fifth floor and they see a sign that says, "This sign is only here to prove that a woman can never be satisfied. Please take the express elevator to the exit."

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It makes one wonder, does art mimic reality or does reality mimic art? LOL

Cheers - Dave



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: MAC269


The very same woman will be really pissed when they stop.

Doubtful, seriously doubtful.

While I will say, yes it does occasionally elevate my self esteem when walking down the street and men cat call or whistle. However, I hate it at the same time, absolutely hate it. A simple "hello" that's one thing but the remarks can get out of hand sometimes. I typically ignore it because responding back can be deemed an invitation and my "hello" misinterpreted as "sure, go ahead and expose yourself to me." Obviously that doesn't happen all the time but it has happened to me before.

I'm sure most men mean it as a compliment and this is one of those occasions where it gets lost in translation. Men are from Mars, Women from Venus.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: FlySolo

Now to bring a bit of balance , let hollaback get some man , lets say ummmm Brad Pitt ,dress him in tight jeans and t shirt ,parade him for the same amount of time and count the cat calls . Not fair you say its Brad Pitt , cat calls are cat calls . Who the man is surely should not make a difference . PS yes that guy was creepy .



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: FlySolo

Now to bring a bit of balance , let hollaback get some man , lets say ummmm Brad Pitt ,dress him in tight jeans and t shirt ,parade him for the same amount of time and count the cat calls . Not fair you say its Brad Pitt , cat calls are cat calls . Who the man is surely should not make a difference . PS yes that guy was creepy .


The fact is that men, Brad Pitt and his ilk being the exception, are not commonly subjected to this behavior. Like a number of men on this thread, you have attempted to turn this into a joke. Although certainly not on the same level, this brings to mind rape jokes and comments about sexual assault such as "well, boys will be boys."



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

Where have i tried to make it a joke .Do you truly believe that he would not get cat calls . It was as i said an attempt to bring balance .If you do not see it as such you really need to get over yourself ,and how dare you link me to rape jokes . SHAME ON YOU



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:08 AM
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Like a number of men on this thread, you have attempted to turn this into a joke


Well it is kind of a joke. Once you remove your doom porn aspect of it with all the dark analogies of the stalking, fear, dark alley ways what have you got? Just some annoying heckling from the peanut gallery. Let's be honest, it's only offensive when it isn't someone you're attracted to or in bad mood. If Brad Pitt said hey honey, what's up? Like you're going to flip him the bird. Well Maybe you don't care because you come off a little man angry, but I'm sure there's lots of other women who would jump at it.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: FlySolo

The trick to a happy marriage: don't end up with a woman that needs to be "worked at" to get noticed.

Just the $0.02 of a happily, 20 year married man.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 05:11 AM
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I just don't understand why men do it.
Is it a lack of self control?
Do they enjoy making women feel uncomfortable?

The only time I wear something more "sexy" is when I go out with my husband.
When I'm walking alone to the supermarket , etc I dress plain and comfortable: usually jeans and t-shirt, or jogging suit.

I don't seek attention. I don't want men calling to me, and I especially hate the up and down stares, that makes me feel even more uncomfortable.


Yes, I've been whistled at, cat called, even followed in the past, when I never dress sexy doing errands, and most of the times don't even wear make up.

I have seen some very good looking men walking on the street, but never felt the unstoppable urge to whistle at them or say something to them.

Now please don't attack me for this, I'm just going to give my own personal opinion here.

I think men who do this aren't stupid. They know it makes us feel uncomfortable, they can even see it on our faces....they just don't care.

Once a guy said something to me, while my husband was only 2 steps behind me, because he was sending a text message. My husband walked up to the guy and asked him : "What do you want from my wife?"


The guy apologized and moved on.




edit on 3/11/2014 by Rainbowresidue because: spelling



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: FlySolo
Just my 2 cents on the matter. When a man calls out to a woman on the street he is saying more about himself than he is about the woman passing in front of him. He is saying "I lack self control", "I am desperate", "I have no power in this world except to make women feel uncomfortable", "I don't understand the prevailing social conventions of my country."

There is such a thing as a "social contract" in our society. Calling out to a woman as she walks down the street is a violation of the social contract. You shouldn't do it at all.

Sallie



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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Don't get me wrong. I don't like when a friend hollers out the window while driving or any type of caveman mentality in public. I have class. But this "self-control" thing is a bit one-sided from a woman's perspective. Is saying, "Hi, you have got to be the prettiest lady I've seen all week" a loss of self-control? Is this considered harassment as well? If saying it once earned someone a date at one time, then is it wrong? Point is, and if you're all honest with yourself enough, compliments are compliments if it comes from someone you're equally attracted to. And here's another thing I've noticed. Even if a man is being polite whom is NOT attractive and he is not trying to pick you up, the ladies will immediately assume it is a come on even if he's just being friendly and be a snob when it isn't required. It comes down to one simple statement. You take the good with the bad.

Here's a nice little (proper) analogy to be used. Over-weight women are somewhat "aggressive". Over-weight unattractive women have a much different method than slim cute girls. This is a fact. Now what if I complained about every single over-weight woman that has come on to me in my life? Do I have your sympathy? Do you feel sorry for me because all the hot women don't approach but all the obese unattractive women do? Can I call this harassment? Shall I repeat what some unattractive women say to me or tell you about the time one tried to force herself on me when I was sleeping? No joke.

Feeling sorry for me yet? Didn't think so. Guys deal with this all the time.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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There's a point here the men are missing. If every few minutes as you're walking down the street minding your own business, strangers are calling out to you, ordering you to 'SMILE!' or worse yet, FOLLOWING YOU FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, you are never left alone to have your own thoughts unhampered in your own mind... you're literally being mentally accosted over and over again, with the attendant adrenaline rush and worry about something escalating into a physical confrontation.

It's exhausting.

Every one of these men was being rude, aggressive, demeaning and threatening.

This is illegal behavior, but as a woman you can't complain about it, there's no point because nothing will be done.

I was literally expecting and hoping that she would have peppersprayed at least two of those idiots; the one who followed her and the 'I'm too ugly for you' jackass. They both deserved it. Not that it would have taught them anything, they were a tad too dense for that, but at least she would have been empowered by it.

Men hide behind this 'oh you're beautiful I can't help myself' routine but you don't yell at beautiful paintings in the museum or a lovely sunset.

The truth of the matter is that your visual cortex is hooked right into your libido and genitals, and when you see a sexual object your response is instantaneous; we get that, or at least women do after some experience; YOUNG WOMEN DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, EXCEPT THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN SEXUALIZED EARLY, USUALLY BY ABUSE; the physiological reason for your response shouldn't become someone else's problem, especially not when it's threatening and when a goodly percentage of women are raped during their lifetimes. Women are wearing what they're wearing because they want to, not to get your attention; there was nothing exceptional about that girl's dress given modern standards, and women in burkas have been raped with much the same excuse; 'she was asking for it.'

Notice that no one apparently yelled at her when the one idiot was following along beside here as if he 'owned' her... why is that? Why do you pseudo-men not do this behavior when a woman is with another man? Because you know you're being aggressive and you know you risk a physical confrontation with the man in this instance, don't you?

And last but not least, just to prove this is aggression and harassment and not 'friendly' is the ease there would be to take the same video but of an unattractive woman or an older woman and look at what happens then... it's as if you think you have the right to announce our 'score' to the world, on what effect we have on your personal visual cortex. Well, y'know what guys? Most of you are average to ugly, and if you want to get laid once in a while in your pitiful little lives, try acting like a gentleman. And maybe get a job or make yourselves useful instead of hanging out on city streets doing utterly nothing with yourselves.

Real men don't act like this.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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Another misguided rant. Let's point out some things I noticed in your man anger.




strangers are calling out to you, ordering you to 'SMILE!'


Oh the humanity!, call the police. Someone said smile! Get over yourself.




you're literally being mentally accosted over and over again, with the attendant adrenaline rush and worry about something escalating into a physical confrontation.



Unless you're in India or a back lane at night, I think you could be exaggerating.




I was literally expecting and hoping that she would have peppersprayed at least two of those idiots;


For what? What crime has been done? And your first reaction is to blind someone? Wow




This is illegal behavior, but as a woman you can't complain about it, there's no point because nothing will be done.


No it isn't. But pepper spraying someone just because you're annoyed is.




Men hide behind this 'oh you're beautiful I can't help myself' routine but you don't yell at beautiful paintings in the museum or a lovely sunset.


What a load of garbage. A little hint about men, something you clearly don't understand. Men are actually more sensitive and appreciative of beauty than we let on. Why do you think women's perfume smells like flowers and not motor oil? Think about it...



The truth of the matter is that your visual cortex is hooked right into your libido and genitals


The truth of the matter is men are visual and women are emotional. That's the way we're wired. Get over it




and women in burkas have been raped with much the same excuse; 'she was asking for it.'


What?? Why does every woman have to use the rape card? And since your referring to burkas then you're talking about muslim men in countries where women are already oppressed. Apples and oranges.




Why do you pseudo-men not do this behavior when a woman is with another man? Because you know you're being aggressive and you know you risk a physical confrontation with the man in this instance, don't you?


Has nothing to do with that. It means there's a high chance it's her boyfriend and it's not cool to do that. Nothing about being aggressive and knowing it.




Well, y'know what guys? Most of you are average to ugly, and if you want to get laid once in a while in your pitiful little lives, try acting like a gentleman.



And there it is! "Most of you guys are ugly". Woman logic. You're ugly so it's harassment. Man, some of the most beautiful women have got to have the worst personalities. This has always been the problem



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: FlySolo

This video is simply a waste of time - just some hipster transplant trying to get herself on the map.

I've seen it several times to get an idea of where the harassment started, apart from the creep that walked next to her, no foul language was used and no one touched her. This awareness group won't find support outside of williamsburg.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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social interaction is very complicated

men interact with other men on the street too

it might be a raising of the shoulders, or spitting for example, or some other aggressive type behaviour

individuals have instincts to mark their turf, to state their dominance - how many people, both men and women, do you see walk past who just refuse to step sideways and walk straight at you, expecting you to move?

walking down a street can be uncomfortable for anyone

also,

we live in a world where there are beautiful women pictured everywhere - often lightly clad and in provocative positons

many women (and men) spend fortunes on cosmetics, haircuts, clothes - all designed to make you look more attractive

so most of us actively spend our time trying to be more attractive - trying to elicit a higher sexual response - whether we realise it or not

its no surprise then that this type of behaviour is evident

you might almost call it normal

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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I'll ignore your rude 'get over yourself' comments to tell you a little story.

I was 19 years old (five foot tall) and working in an aquarium store; my daily outfit was overalls and a loose fitting sweater, because I got messy cleaning fishtanks and truth be told, I'm not exactly a fashion plate on the best of days.

One night walking home from work, 6:30 pm in the wintertime, dark already; a van pulls up alongside me and the driver sweetly cajoles me to 'get into the van, c'mon, I'll give you a ride'... I glare at him and keep going, ignoring him for a full nervewracking minute or two before he finally sped off.

Next night, he drives by swerving up onto the sidewalk from behind where I'm walking, shouting obscenities. Scared the crap out of me.

A few nights later, I'm taking my usual route home and didn't notice the same van parked along the sidewalk in an area where I couldn't have crossed the street to avoid it, and there was little room between the street and the houses; he jumps out of his car, GRABS MY ARM AND TRIES TO PULL ME INTO THE VAN. He was a good six foot tall and 200 lbs to my 5 foot tall, 100 lbs.

I pulled out the bowie knife I kept in the back upper leg section of the overalls, (in the handy-dandy pocket there) and slice at him; across his arm that was holding my arm, across his chest and as far as it felt, right through his winter jacket. He let go.

Then I ran like hell. Back then, I could run.

I have no idea what happened to this guy and I don't care. I hope he bled to death.

But if I hadn't have been armed, I would likely be a statistic right now.

So take your 'women are emotional, men are visual' crap and shove it.

The truth of the matter is, ALL THE MEN on this thread and every other one I've seen are being the emotional ones; you think YOUR emotions preclude someone else's rights to feel safe.

Get over yourselves and grow up.




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