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Report says 60,000 veterans get triple benefits

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posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:55 PM

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: AgentShillington

OK, I think I get it. You are anti-military and want to see those who have broken their bodies and served decades to be kicked to the curb, but yet are all for welfare queens? (ie: Social programs)

Do I have that right?

Let me quote what I put in my original reply.

Get injured? Sure, I'll pay for your recuperation.
Disabled? Yup, I'm on board with helping you retain a comfortable existence.
Retiring? Get another job, or hope you invested well, because that's what the government tells civilians to do.
Social Security? If your job pays in, you should receive benefits.

I don't know where you get the notion that I want to kick people to the curb, in fact, I think I have quite clearly laid out the opposite of sentiment.

Don't confuse my distaste with using our armed services as a corporate security firm with wanting to not take care of the people who sign up for the military under often times ill placed concepts like God and Country only to be used to protect corporate interests abroad.

Yes, I am sure this is plenty of "welfare fraud", whatever that means, but it isn't creating and rewarding the marginalization and destabilization of large sections of our world for corporate profits while killing people with no say in the conflict.
edit on 4-11-2014 by AgentShillington because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 02:04 PM
a reply to: AgentShillington

Not a personnal attack, but nothing more than a question.

Service members sign a contract, just like union members do and anyone who works for a company that says they will contribute to the 401K. As far as I am concerned, once signed, it is set in stone.

When I hear of any of those Unions, Companies or Gov't renigging on that contract, it pisses me off.

posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 03:54 PM
a reply to: [post=18623649]raymundoko[/post

Between MY service of four years, MY six years of working within the USDVA, MY fifteen years working as a Serivce Officer and MY five years of working in the SSA, I find that you are naive and uninformed about the humanity that works within the Military.

Some of the beneficiaries are actually heroes. Most are not if the injuries are not related to ACTIVE combat. This latter group to MY educated and experienced mind are easily divided into two groupings. Folks injured because of assigned duties and a miscellany of BS afflictions not remotely related to service.

The folks who disparage and denigrate veterans are not always wrong. No more than the people who think that ALL politicians are corrupt.

With maturity and experience comes clarity not always easily seen by others.

I consider your attack to be unjustified and moronic. I hope that your 401K rewards you. It will be your singular achievement.

posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 03:58 PM
a reply to: queenofswords

I have and it is OK. To describe it as anything else overstates the benefits.
Google is your friend.

posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 04:05 PM
a reply to: 200Plus

PM me, my friend and I will see if you are actually and actively being screwed IMO.
Tell me EXACTLY your ailments. Tell me EXACTLY your ratings. I normally only help actual acquaintances because frankly everybody who gets free advice ignores it. So you need to WORK in order to entice me to give advice.
Your 'lead breakfast' is bringing out my altruism. Don't screw around and get back to me.
At worse I'll tell you who to see locally.

posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 04:08 PM
Fortunately it looks like the consensus is it's going to be okay, at least for now.

About 3 percent of the nation's 1.9 million military retirees collect all three benefits, the GAO said.

The report did not recommend changes to the program. The VA said in a response that it "generally agrees" with the report's conclusions. Social Security officials did not comment.

posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 04:14 PM
a reply to: TDawgRex

I used to train and write for the CVSOA. While it CAN be a good place to start with a CVSO, they do not work Appeals particularly well. As usual, you can be lucky and find competency. Most of these guys are trying to work the field and not the crops.
If you are qualified for assistance by the Paralyzed Veterans Of America., you are both cursed and fortunate. These guys are very well trained. The DAV is very good and has many SOs of superior quality. It's a mixed bag after that...IMO.

I have been out of the loop for 12 years but maintain some familiarity with the field. You are welcome to disagree.

posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 10:47 PM
a reply to: TDawgRex. TDawg, I am curious. Active duty vets who retired from service after 20 yrs or more made that their career. Guard and Reserve vets retired after 20 made that their career. Those that served in combat and were wounded were either medically discharged or medically retired because they could no longer perform to military standards. Those guard or Reserve members may have also had a Federal job on their civilian side and were medically retired because of their combat injuries. In addition to that, those same people may have had civilian jobs before they voluntarily joined the service.
The VA gives a percentage of pay to help compensate for injuries received while in service to our Nation, the Federal side gives a percentage dependent upon years served and your highest grade or pay, the military does something similar and Social Security looks at how many work credits you have and how disabled you are rated by their people.
And now fiiiiinallly my question:
Why shouldn't those that served get all of those benefits?
Every penny was was earned and paid for by hard work, dedication, sacrifice of self and family.
Just skin is all. Thanks for letting me ramble.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 12:43 AM
a reply to: largo largo, please read my misdirected post to TDawg as it was meant for you. TDawg, my apologies. And it is truly a very sincere question. Some history:
I served in the Marine Corps from 82-89, in 87 had my daughter,worked part time and was a teachers assistant/room parent for 5 years. I then worked full time till I joined the Guard and got a fed job during the work week as well as continuing to work 3 days a week at my other job.
I had 2 days off from the 2 years that I had my weekend drills, the fed job and the civilian job as well as the ( LMAO ) 2 week summer training. In between that I went to my military schools for 3 MOS's. HR specialist, Military Police and Basic Army Instructor.
Pretty sure that most of us who join aren't looking for a hand out, nor to strike it rich. My family has a long history of proudly serving our country and my daughter has carried that on as well. When I joined the Guard it was to make a difference. I never expected that I would come back with a Purple Heart and Combat Action Badge.
I refused to apply for SS or anything else other than VA C & P. With much convincing from my family, therapists, and wounded warrior contacts I was finally convinced that I was not undeserving of the programs that were out there.
It's not the people like me who should be looked at with disdain but the people who expect us to give give give and they never do contribute anything worthwhile to society to anyone other than themselves.

Now, with that said, yes, I am comfortable financially ( still rate in the lower middle class ). I have combat related issues, things that have changed who I was, things I never thought I would experience daily.
I refuse to let people like you make me feel as if I am just as bad as the scumbags in the 3 houses that "lie safe in their beds at night" or the low life welfare lifers.

I understand that you also served in the Military. Without the military of this great Nation, none of these conversations would be taking place. Thank you to all who have served Honorably.

Largo, i will just say that I hope we can agree to disagree and to carry on. Thanks to all for reading. I hope this will keep up a lively but not ugly conversation.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 06:49 AM
a reply to: dragonlight1964

Largo has some very good info in this thread, but all of it isn't current. I got out of Active Duty at 15 and went Reserves myself back in '98 and did another 16 years. I became a Unit Administrator (UA) as well which I'm sure you know is a dual status position. In between deployments (of which were many) I did the HR weenie thing and then some. All those deployments also allowed me to retire with a AC pension without having to wait until I was 60.

Being the UA was very educational and brought me into contact with a lot of people who made no bones about scamming the VA disability system. This is why I have a problem (Though maybe concern is a better word) with triple dippers. There are so few that receive it, that it could be very easy to check on them from time to time. I'm not saying they don't deserve it, but I bet there are a few who don't.

It is the scammers that are helping to clog the system thereby hurting those who do need the help. The DoD reviews those who are on TDRL. Often lowering their percentage rate upon putting them on PDRL status. And in some cases, they remove any status. Rarely does the servicemember get rated higher.

Thank you from one Vet to another.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 09:44 AM
a reply to: largo

Just because you served in the military doesn't give you the moral high ground to baselessly pass judgment on other servicemen/women you don't know personally. You obviously didn't learn reading comprehension in all your years of service.

Sure, some may abuse the system but up until that post you were lumping all of those who "triple dip" into the same lot.
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posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 12:02 PM
a reply to: TDawgRex
I totally get his position on the Triple dippers! Well at least most of it. I am of school that if you EARNED something you should get it. There are exceptions of course, welfare and food stamps for example. Those programs are supposed to be there for those that cannot earn either because they are children, disabled or too elderly ect. Yet there are a multitude of scum on that. It's the same with anything that's set up for benefits and money.
Personally I feel that there should be more looking into the civilian side of those programs as well as the public getting together and doing something about our 3 houses cheating the system! does anyone know why Social Security was created? How about the fact that it was NEVER EVER to be "borrowed" from.
The military is such a small part of the population that if you put what veterans benefits are and then looked at the rest of the population, you would see that our demographics would hardly even be noticed.
Thank a vet for the opportunities we have today. Even if I don't agree with some of what is posted, it's still nice to know that we can openly disagree without fear of being jailed for our opinion... Am I right? Yup, I think I am 😊 Thank you to all that served.
All gave some, and some gave all.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 04:55 PM
a reply to: TDawgRex

Ok well, as a Greencard holder I've paid into Social Security for around a decade, but until I get dual citizenship can't access any of it. I'm a tad biased (i.e. when I was laid off I literally had to retreat to my home nation to survive, I was ok with that, given my industry (chemical manufacture) is still in Chaos thanks to outsourcing to China). I however am of the opinion that those veterans are doing noting wrong, because they (probably) risked their lives for the nation, and can't make ends meet anyother way.

See when you do a service for your nation like that, you've done more than most of the rest of your nation and deserve better. Mind you despite my mostly liberal leanings, I am also big on service to the tribe. We could possibly fund this byt making politicians have to earn what they are paid (road gangs etc)

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 05:35 PM
a reply to: Noinden

You are wrong. All green card holders get their social security if they have worked at least 10 years in the USA:


My mother is a permanent resident (From Ireland) and receives social security. She is NOT a dual citizen.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 05:40 PM
a reply to: TDawgRex

You NEVER mess with the pay for your army. Who are these people?

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 05:49 PM
a reply to: raymundoko

I am right, as I left on the ten year anniversary ( I actually investigated it thanks). The cost of getting citizenship, supporting myself while there and looking for work, and such, made it easier to bug out back to New Zealand with the cats.

Soruce: I am a greencard holder married to a US citizen. I lived there 10 years. I paid a lawyer to check it out.

That is all besides the point in this thread.

The point is, I have no issue with vets "triple dipping" they've probably earned it.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 05:50 PM
a reply to: tadaman

Politicians with an axe to grind. Not the smartest group in our species

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 09:21 PM
a reply to: Noinden

I'm sorry you are wrong. Read the link I posted, it's from the government. Like I said, my mother is a permanent resident, not a citizen. She gets SS just fine.

If you don't qualify then you didn't work for 10 years here. But yes, not on topic.

posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 09:57 PM

originally posted by: TDawgRex

I'm a retired Vet and have often thought to myself that triple dipping was wrong. Yes, those Vets did pay into the system. But receiving a retirement pension, plus VA disability AND Social Security just seems a tad bit greedy to me.

You pay into SS your whole life.....

You stay in the military under a contract for 30 years and get a retirement.....

You are disabled and get disability.....

Three totally different things, so what the hell is wrong with that?

It's like saying if you have a 401k or IRA you forfeit SS and any disability....

posted on Dec, 7 2014 @ 03:01 PM
a reply to: TDawgRexit seems wrong to you why these guys and gails volunteered abd stayed in service for20 years they got hurt and disabled because of it so they get va disability benefits they worked some in private sector too so they get social security they earned whats the problem here. i have worked for several companies over the years long enough to get pensions and 401k accounts and when i retire i will get all of that plus the social security i paid all those years am i a quadruple dipper because of it no i worked my ass off for it . same holds true for these service people you want to go after the real triple dippers try congress and the white house.

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