Gaza cut off: Israel closes border crossings indefinitely

originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: hellobruce

I provided proof which you asked for ?
Does 5 years eliminate things from world history ?

It was not illegal then, it is not illegal now to be used as screening smoke. A lot of countries use it.

In an 2005 interview with RAI, Peter Kaiser, spokesman for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (an organization overseeing the CWC and reporting directly to the UN General Assembly), questioned whether the weapon should fall under the convention's provisions: No it's not forbidden by the CWC if it is used within the context of a military application which does not require or does not intend to use the toxic properties of white phosphorus. White phosphorus is normally used to produce smoke, to camouflage movement. If that is the purpose for which the white phosphorus is used, then that is considered under the convention legitimate use.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: hellobruce

The use of the white phosphorous bombs against civilian buildings is illegal under Protocol 3 of the convention of certain conventional weapons which Israel singed in 1995 but disregarded the treaty and said it was only following international law.

(And the argument that they were using it for a smoke screen is laughable but nice job digging that up I like your research on the matter)

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: hellobruce

The use of the white phosphorous bombs against civilian buildings is illegal under Protocol 3 of the convention of certain conventional weapons...
en.m.wikipedia.org...

You really should read what you link to, as if you had you would have seen

Protocol III lists certain munition types like smoke shells which, even if they contain white phosphorus, only have a secondary incendiary effect; these munition types are not considered to be incendiary weapons.

What do you silly claims have to do with this topic now?

a reply to: hellobruce

Don't be subjective as I posted this for a read of the whole treaty that Israel ignores.

Not just a few lines of the document.
I never said phosphorus wasn't a smoke screen but if that's what you were thinking. They purposely used it as a weapon and as such it's illegal.

www.weaponslaw.org...

originally posted by: MGaddafi
They purposely used it as a weapon and as such it's illegal.

Do you have valid proof that they did not use it for screening?

Remember, if Hamas laid down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel, as Hamas have vowed to destroy Israel.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: smithjustinb
Innocent or not, if you fire rockets at someone, you deserve what's coming back at you.

Well, according to some people here if you fire rockets at Jews they are not allowed to defend themselves by attacking those who fire the rockets. The Jews should just accept that others are allowed to fire rockets at them....

Just like some people on here think the Palestinians should just kneel down and accept their nation being stolen from them and their people murdered. Do a little research you will see that the Jews in Israel want nothing of these wars that Israel inflicts on Palestine its the Zionist Nazis that are in charge that is the problem.

originally posted by: buster2010
you will see that the Jews in Israel want nothing of these wars that Israel inflicts on Palestine

Except it is "Palestine" that attacks Israel.... so if they stop the wars will stop.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MGaddafi
They purposely used it as a weapon and as such it's illegal.

Do you have valid proof that they did not use it for screening?

Remember, if Hamas laid down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel, as Hamas have vowed to destroy Israel.

Only a total idiot believes WP is used for screening wanna know why? Because if you send your people into it they will die just like the people caught in it.

You must not remember before there was a Hamas there was no peace so what makes you think there will be peace if they laid down their arms? Israel can't even keep the peace agreements they have made now. If you read the Likud charter you would know there will be no peace for Palestine.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: buster2010
you will see that the Jews in Israel want nothing of these wars that Israel inflicts on Palestine

Except it is "Palestine" that attacks Israel.... so if they stop the wars will stop.

Nice of you to keep a blind eye to what Israel does. So Israel invading the West Bank kidnapping hundreds of citizens, murdering several people and ransacking over a thousand homes and stealing over three million dollars worth of goods is not an attack? All of this happened before Palestine supposedly "attacked" Israel.

a reply to: hellobruce

No country will lay down its arms for peace during an occupation that's called surrender.

originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: hellobruce

No country will lay down its arms for peace during an occupation

Gaza is not being occupied.... but do not let the facts stop your anti Israel/Jew rant!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: hellobruce

No country will lay down its arms for peace during an occupation

Gaza is not being occupied.... but do not let the facts stop your anti Israel/Jew rant!

It may not be occupied in the sense you believe it to be, but Israel still exercises effective control over Gaza, therefore meaning the laws of occupation apply to it.

Article 42 of the Hague Regulations defines occupation: “Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.” In interpreting this definition with respect to particular situations, the notion of “effective control” over the territory in question is central. In cases where the occupying power has withdrawn its forces from all or parts of the occupied territory, but has maintained key elements of an occupying power’s authority, this retention of authority can amount to effective control. In such cases, occupation law, or at least the provisions relevant to the powers it continues to exercise, continues to apply.

Israel maintains sole control of Gaza’s air space and territorial waters, and continues to prohibit any movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza via air or sea. Israel directly controls all but one of Gaza’s land border crossings, and continues to close three out of the four crossings for commercial goods, restrict the volume of key imports, and ban most exports, all of which have a serious impact on humanitarian and socioeconomic conditions in Gaza. Israel continues to control the Palestinian population registry, which covers residents of both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, so any change in these records and all Palestinian Authority identity documents (including ID cards and passports) require Israeli approval. An Israeli-approved ID card or passport is required for any Palestinian to leave Gaza, including through the Rafah crossing. And the Gaza Strip continues to depend on Israel for the majority of its electricity supply.

Since 2005, Israel has continued its land incursions into the Gaza Strip, with Israeli forces regularly destroying farmland and agricultural assets in areas inside the Strip near its perimeter, carrying out other “routine” military operations and, during some periods, arresting “wanted” men inside Gaza. Several large Israeli operations since 2005 have had a devastating effect on civilians in Gaza, including Operations “Summer Rains” and “Autumn Clouds” in 2006, Operation “Hot Winter” in February-March 2008, Operation “Cast Lead” in 2008-2009, Operation “Pillar of Defense” in November 2012, and now the ongoing Operation “Protective Edge”. Apart from these major offensives, Israeli land and naval forces regularly use live fire against Palestinian civilians – primarily farmers and fishermen – in the land and maritime access-restricted areas. Israel carries out constant surveillance of the Gaza Strip, using sophisticated unmanned aircraft, satellite imagery and other means.

The combination of these policies, actions and means of military and administrative control and the dependency fostered by over four decades of occupation enable Israel – even without a permanent military presence – to exercise effective control over the Gaza Strip. It thus remains the occupying power in Gaza and continues to be bound by the law of occupation, particularly as regards the powers it continues to exercise.

This means that Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip must be governed by the Law of Occupation, as well as the rules of international humanitarian law on the conduct of hostilities and international human rights law. The inhabitants of an occupied territory are entitled to special protection and humane treatment. Among other things, the rules prohibit the occupying power from wilfully killing, ill-treating or deporting protected persons. The occupying power is responsible for the welfare of the population under its control. This means it must ensure that law and order is maintained and basic necessities of the population are provided for.

Israel has chosen not to fulfil many of its positive obligations as an occupying power. But this does not negate the existence of these obligations. At the very least, it is incumbent upon Israel not to actively obstruct relief for the civilian population of Gaza. Its military blockade, which has continued for over seven years, and goes well beyond reasonable security measures, is contrary to its obligations as an occupying power and constitutes collective punishment.

www.amnesty.org...

Additionally, as of 2012, the UN still considered Gaza as part of the occupied territories. Nothing much has changed since then. There has been another war. The evidence weighs in support of Gaza being an occupied territory:

It's time for the United Nations to declare Israel an Apartheid state. I don't know why they are so scared. South Africa had the same terrorist issues with their black population than Israel had, and when they tried the same things, they were treated as pariahs by the entire world community.

Israel does the EXACT same things towards Palestinians that South Africa did against Blacks, and for some reason, they are hailed as "oh, but they have the right to defend themselves".

What about the right of South Africa to defend themselves against terrorist acts of Nelson Mandela blowing up malls and civilians targets? Nelson Mandela is held up as a man of peace, but this was far from the truth.

Until the Palestinians are given equal rights in their own country, they have every right to do what they can to obtain them.

The USA loves to uphold itself as a moral and ethical center of the world, but they still don't even have equal rights for gays and lesbians, and still have the death penalty. Hardly a moral center and higher standard for human rights.

a reply to: babybunnies

Thats because Israhell claims god chosen people, so the rest are scared of divine reprecussions. Synagogue of Satan

originally posted by: babybunnies
It's time for the United Nations to declare Israel an Apartheid state. I don't know why they are so scared. South Africa had the same terrorist issues with their black population than Israel had, and when they tried the same things, they were treated as pariahs by the entire world community.

Israel does the EXACT same things towards Palestinians that South Africa did against Blacks, and for some reason, they are hailed as "oh, but they have the right to defend themselves".

The Nobel Prize of Literature José Saramago compares the suffering of the Palestinians under Israeli occupation as the same suffering of the jews in the Nazi boot camps.

The repression from Israel is the worst form of Apartheid. Nobody has the faintest idea of what is going on here, even the best informed people. Everything is in pieces, the land is destroyed and nothing else may be planted. All this smells like a boot camp, like Auschwitz. The israeli have turned into NAZI JEWS

he declared after a visit to Palestina in March, 2002.

According to THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS there are so many laws being violated by Israel, that I just can not believe how this shameful regime can have any International Support.

In the preamble of the Human Rights Declaration, it is written:

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
[..]
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Article 7 - As principle:

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.
All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 2 :

[..] Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3 :

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 9 :

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 12 :

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13 :

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 17 :

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18 :

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 25 :

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Article 30 :

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

I easily identified 10 articles of the Human Rights Declaration that are clearly being violated by Israel.

«The Declaration was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in Paris on 10 December 1948 General Assembly resolution 217 A (III)»

a reply to: voyger2

Nice job, this would be very hard to discredit

You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you. Really a little common sense

originally posted by: voyger2
I easily identified 10 articles of the Human Rights Declaration that are clearly being violated by Israel.

Of course you ignore the fact that same 10 articles are totally ignored by the Hamas terrorists and other terrorist groups that constantly attack Israel....