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NATO - Russia relations: NATO Facts verse Russian Falsehoods

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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
a reply to: nukedog


I understand what you're saying in regards to the transponders. I've read about that as well (not on ATS though).


Allow me to counter that w/ Nato COMPLETELY disabling most of EU w/ their last drills.

. . . would that also constitute as a BIGGER threat to "sovereign" airspace? In addition, does that also not pose a HUGE risk to traffic control?


I actually made a thread about this very same thing.


First I heard of this. Link it for me if you would be so kind.




posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: nukedog

Nukedog,

Here you go:
‘Unprecedented’: 13 aircraft mysteriously disappear from radars in heart of Europe

Please, take this as my respect to you.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Also, the US has trip wire forces now. That essentially is the exact same thing Putin said. "We don't want war but you will have it." It's right there in black and white. I guess we have to act like a tough guy to those regime changing, brown skinned bombing, money hungry, people denigrating, money grubbing whores that Putin represents.

There are no clear sides. What we see is WWIII gearing up and everyone that doesn't have a bomb shelter can get bent. Why do you think I'm so critical of the West? I pray to god that nuclear weapons are the submission factor. If so, I won't feel as bad when our Nobel Peace Prize laureate triples Nuclear Arms Production while we fall far behind in education.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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You see, Nato will NOT go to war with Russia.


Just won't happen. Doesn't have enough support nor the confidence. It's PR campaigns are failing - left & right.


Look at it this way:

* - If David Cameron can't even protect himself
* - If the White house can't even protect themselves (3x times)
* - If the U.S. can't even secure it's borders


How in the hell can Nato protect any other country? think about it. . .

- - - No War!



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
a reply to: nukedog

Nukedog,

Here you go:
‘Unprecedented’: 13 aircraft mysteriously disappear from radars in heart of Europe

Please, take this as my respect to you.


Thanks for the link. Why am I not surprised?



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
You see, Nato will NOT go to war with Russia.


Just won't happen. Doesn't have enough support nor the confidence. It's PR campaigns are failing - left & right.


Look at it this way:

* - If David Cameron can't even protect himself
* - If the White house can't even protect themselves (3x times)
* - If the U.S. can't even secure it's borders


How in the hell can Nato protect any other country? think about it. . .

- - - No War!


With war



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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a reply to: nukedog

With war?


Again, please excuse my obtuseness. What do you mean by that?



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:51 AM
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If international law was respected and enforced none of this crap would be happening

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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
a reply to: nukedog

With war?


Again, please excuse my obtuseness. What do you mean by that?


War is the ultimate tool. If you don't understand how war is a confiscation of human rights I suggest you look it up. My point was that the ultimate power comes during war time. Why do you think the US has had a war on drugs for three decades? Why do you think we lost more rights after 9/11? Why is it that these laws were sitting on the shelves waiting to be drafted in full at the drop of the hat? Did you read the bill? Nobody read it

As for your "security risks," we don't think that way. We watch important political leaders get shot like a game of duck hunt. There is no government it's a bunch of gangsters. They want us to think it's our fault though and that's why we need them.

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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: nukedog

Hmm, interesting.

I like what you're saying. And I agree, how "out of the blue" restrictive laws came into effect (post 9/11).

And now w/ ANY "opposition" to the U.S. govt's way - - they are ready to assign "Czars", unleash gov't departments (see IRS scandal), NSA, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, Obamacare, Spying (foreign & domestic), etc. . .


Now we turn to Russia. Who has done what exactly to Americans?
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 01:24 AM
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Now we turn to Russia. Who has done what exactly to Americans?


Make it difficult for banking cartels
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 01:40 AM
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a reply to: all2human

Don't forget - Putin didn't want to arm "ORGAN EATING" "Moderate" Syrian rebels:

Putin slams Cameron: Do you want to supply arms to people who eat their enemies organs?




Yikes! Funny how the M.E. events turned out - - after the U.S. burnt it's bridges. . .
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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a reply to: all2human

Hey, have you ever heard of the Balch's Salute (1889)?

The Original Pledge of Allegiance (1953):





. . . Look familiar?

Compound that with this:
US used Nazis as Cold War spies

CIA and FBI used 'over 1,000 ex-Nazis and collaborators' as spies during Cold War

In Cold War, U.S. Spy Agencies Used 1,000 Nazis


Should we add Operation Paperclip?

How about this D-bag?




Aleksandras Lileikis was a Nazi officer implicated in 60,000 Jews’ deaths. He later worked for the C.I.A. before immigrating.
Credit
U.S. Department of Justice




Holy Humpin' Hormones!




Mr. Dulles believed “moderate” Nazis might “be useful” to America, records show. Mr. Hoover, for his part, personally approved some ex-Nazis as informants and dismissed accusations of their wartime atrocities as Soviet propaganda.


"moderate" Nazis - - - - eh, "moderate" Syrian rebels.





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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:14 AM
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a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

You keep going on about NATO and war with Russia when its not even a part of my op.

again remain on topic and stop derailing the thread.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
a reply to: Xcathdra

Is it another "Nato claimed" or "Nato says" type of accusation?

. . . we've seen how those have turned out.


Xcathdra, just stop. We get what you're trying to do. But there's gonna be NO WAR!


You apparently have no clue what im doing. Russian made claims about NATO. I posted NATO's response.. Your the one going on about something that was not even mentioned in the OP.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: SurrenderingAmerica
a reply to: Xcathdra




What does this have to do with the claims the Russians made in the OP? Are you that incapable of following simple requests?


Obviously not as much as you're INCAPABLE of creating a thread in the CORRECT place.

Hows that?


Stop trying to derail the thread.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:18 AM
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a reply to: spy66

The resolutions posted were in response to Russian accusations against NATO.

Again Ukraine has asked to join NATO. Why would NATO not speak to Ukraine? NATO spoke to them when Yanukovych was President and Ukraine was exploring joining NATO. Pro Russians didn't seem to have an issue with it at that time so whats the issue now?



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: stirling

Because the MND program is not designed to take down missiles in the numbers Russia can deploy. Its meant to counter iran.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:20 AM
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a reply to: nukedog

Yet the only country talking about nuclear weapons and their use is Russia.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 03:21 AM
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originally posted by: all2human
If international law was respected and enforced none of this crap would be happening


On either side.




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