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The Cacophony of Discordant Truth - What the Qoheleth is going on here?

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posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I undersrand the rest of what you say. I do not think we know the final answer. The Bible makes it clear we cannot conceive the future that awaits. Not possible to get it yet. It also says that future is for those who love God.




posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: AlephBet

So he let everything that he planned beforehand play out knowing that many would go to their deaths being deceived (by his own foreknowledge/doing) only to intervene thousands of years later (second coming) to correct the mistakes that he allowed to happen?

Why let so much suffering take place only to save the vast minority in the end? Those who are born the day before he comes back? They're let off the hook easy while those who came before had to suffer. That's not fair at all.

Are you under the impression that since there is fulfilled prophecy in the bible that that means it could only be God? The bible is the blueprint those in power follow in order to keep the deception going, the prophecies that have been fulfilled were self-fulfilling, the prophecies still to come will be as well. Like I said, the blueprint has been drawn (the bible), all that is left is for those in power to follow it. They've done a great job so far.



posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Also. Ruach Elohim is female. I have show this to you before. Ruach Elohim is the Spirit of God. Elohim is both natures of the image. Father would technically be singular El. ET is Father Abba, or Alephbet.



posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Much of what you say and ask is founded on your own presuppositions. What does scripture say? I try to use scripture for all my conclusions.
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posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: AlephBet

We have the final answer by default, we just have to find it within us. You will not find it within the bible because it will not allow it, that is its purpose, to hide that answer.

You also say that the Mother is water. If the Mother is both water and Spirit then that suggests that John baptized with the Spirit not Jesus because he said he baptized with water. He said that someone (Jesus) would come after to baptize with fire or the (Holy) Spirit. If the Spirit is fire then it cannot be water, water puts out fire (just as the body's aging leads to death).

This is an example of the bibles babel, it contorts the truth into a lie. Just as Greek and Roman tragedies have men sneaking into the rituals of women and overtaking them, so the bible has done the same with the Mother (water). Why is a man baptizing with water when water represents the feminine aspect of God? Because men have overtaken the Mother and stolen her role. This is why the Church is considered the "bride" of Christ.

John should have been a woman, which is probably why he is often depicted as very feminine in art. Da Vinci's two paintings of John are excellent examples of this, if you decide to look them up take notice of his hand gestures.

Where is the Mother located? In the untouched wilderness where man has yet to destroy. Where did John come from? The wilderness. What is the Mother? Strong "waters". What did John baptize with? Water.

The Mother cannot represent the Spirit according to John's baptism. If it does then that creates all kinds of contradictions in reference to John.



posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: AlephBet

Yet as far as the final answer goes, scripture is silent. Wasn't that god of silence you mentioned earlier only a reworking or "copy" of a god that came before? Like I said, the bible is only a copy of the actual truth, it is Harpocrates in the form of a book.
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posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 06:40 PM
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The shhh is the quietening of worldly noise (which distorts the sound of the inner and becomes the ego - ego and wordly noise are 1)... Once it is silenced truth can enter, not throufh words or worldly languages but silent subtle truth beyond the human world and in harmony with creation... And then you can find the true path...
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posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

Nice way of putting it. It's almost as if those in power hide it in plain sight. They create elaborate stories centered around simple truths then call the stories historical and spout them as truth.



posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 10:15 PM
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I believe that we must not know the hole truth for now since knowing is different from believing. Humans have the ability to believe which is what separates us from robots; we can have faith. If we knew the truth with certainty then there would be no reason to judge us in the end since most if not all would be following His word KNOWING the consequences.

So the lack of evidence gives room for us to apply what we can do best and that is believe and have faith.



posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 11:45 PM
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In rebellion to whom and what name?

I am come in my Father's name
John5

at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Philippians2

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts4



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 01:25 AM
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You finally figured it out.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: AlephBet

The Spirit is male, it is what impregnates Mary with Jesus, and as 3NL1GHT3N3D1 has pointed out, fire is the Holy Spirit. It is the generative principle.

The Spirit is the outpouring of the Father into us, the mother aka the virgin bride, Mary means Rebellion btw. When the time has come and we reach the House of Bread, the Son is born. The son then becomes the life giving Spirit, aka the generative principle. Giving life to others as a male/spirit, instead of just receiving life as a female/soul.

"the first man adam became a living soul, (when the spirit/male was blown into the earth/female) the last man christ became a life giving Spirit (when the spirit was blown into the dead body of earth/adam)"
"Now The Lord(Jesus) is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty(from death/rebellion)"


For the son of my right hand to be born, Benjamin, the wife/Rachel has to "die" in the wilderness, at the place called The house of God, Bethel, on the way to the House of Bread/Bethlehem, and Double Fruitfulness/Asheap/Ephraath. This is also the same place Jacob "died" and became a new man Israel.

Now God is male and female, not separate in some unscriptural trinity. The image of God--mankind is male and female (Gen 1).

"The two shall become one flesh, this is a great mystery concerning Christ and the church". What happens when 2 become one in the natural, the Father, the generative principle places the seed into the vessel, the ship, the oven, the earth...the tomb…the womb…the soul. And as we wander in the wilderness for 40 years/weeks in confusion we are pregnant (I labor with you in childbirth until christ be formed in you. Galatians). Unfortunately the only sure thing in this "life" is death, and so the Israelites, all except 2 die in the wilderness, just as Rachel dies in the wilderness, but the Sons enter into the promised land.

To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

The coming of the dove in baptism isn't about making peace, it is symbolizing the Seed coming down into the woman, and the son entering into the promised land. There was never not peace. Yahweh is not the Son, nor the Father, but a product of the mind of man. Some truth, with some distortion. Like Janus the god with 2 heads who is both good and evil. This is the product of the veil of the mind.

Sorry about posting almost an entire chapter, but it is so rich with this metaphor
2 Cor 4
3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds (this is not the Son that did this as you keep saying, this is opposed to the son) of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (Male and Female/ the 2 became one).
5For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake. 6For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. (the light/male shines in the darkness/female, my sister my bride black as the night, he makes darkness his tabernacle,
7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels (treasure=Spirit/Light/Fire/Life in Earthen/Adam/Soul/Female), so that the surpassing greatness of the power(Spirit/Energy/generative principle) will be of God and not from ourselves(passive/vessel/female); 8we are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not despairing; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body (Life of the life giving Spirit in our flesh/soul/mind). 11For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death works in us, but life in you.(Our death of flesh leads to us becoming life giving Spirit for them)



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 07:26 AM
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The Spirit is the outpouring of the Father into us, the mother aka the virgin bride, Mary means Rebellion btw. When the time has come and we reach the House of Bread, the Son is born. The son then becomes the life giving Spirit, aka the generative principle. Giving life to others as a male/spirit, instead of just receiving life as a female/soul.

"the first man adam became a living soul, (when the spirit/male was blown into the earth/female) the last man christ became a life giving Spirit (when the spirit was blown into the dead body of earth/adam)"
"Now The Lord(Jesus) is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty(from death/rebellion)"


We actually agree on this. Let me restate:

He gained union with the Holy Spirit as the firstfruits. He gained the Spirit. The dove descended on Him, allowing the union of the Mother with the Son, thereby making peace with the Son. The Father's blessing of the Son was that he was loved and that the Father was pleased. Ecclesiastes clears this up in chapter 4. The Son had already been born from the Father and Mother. He then separates himself. Union with the image of God (both male and female) allows for his own Triune nature. As Ecclesiastes points out, duality is not enough. It must be a Trinity to gain unity.

The Spirit of God is Ruach Elohim (Feminine). Aleph Bet (Elohim) is Masculine and Feminine. There is no division. You cannot say it is one or the other. The Spirit of the Father IS feminine, but you cannot separate this from the Father. While you are seeing a male Spirit of the Father, you are missing the point of the image being both. Once the Son gains union again from being Gone, the the Father, Mother and Child are now ONE. It's the point of saving the Son. By this, God (Father) is All in All. Read 1 Corinthians 15.

This has yet to occur by the way. Until the enemy (Snake) is made the footstool, we still suffer the curse caused by the Son. He has yet to overcome his own lower nature crated in the Garden.

When He said, "It is finished," his payment was complete. The work to then clean up the mess begins.

Read Ecclesiastes 4, then use this to answer again.




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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:12 AM
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Cut out all the mysticism and spiritual conjecture and …yes..the son is the seed of the creator God the Father (Yahweh) that was “sown into the “soil”(earth..material realm) which is Yahoshua(Yahweh IS salvation/deliverance)….and…that’s it…..that is all that can be known.All the religion and mysticism is just conjecture to try to describe something that isn’t and can’t be known.

The scriptures sole purpose is to be a testimony of Yahoshua that testifies of the Truth…the “coming” of the Kingdom of the creator God realm (which has not come yet nor is it here).Yahoshua clearly stated his Kingdom (which is the Fathers) is NOT of this world/age/realm.

The Kingdom of the creator God is the realm of LIFE it is not the realm of the “valley of the shadow of death”(the material realm).The material realm is the “womb” where the seed of the Father the creator God was sown.Everything in it is being conceived and NOTHING (except Yahoshua) has been born out of it into the kingdom of the creator God.

Yahweh is the creator God the Father they are Elohim.There is only ONE creator God and ONE son (seed) of the creator God.Yahoshua clearly stated I and the Father are ONE.Yahoshua “proceeds from the father as the seed.The seed produces LIFE(Spirit) the life man lives is the spirit of man which will die.The Life the creator God produces from the seed cannot die it is ONLY Life just as the Father is Life(Spirit).

All of mankind will die(all in Adam die) and ALL of mankind will live through the seed of the second Adam because ALL will live through Yahoshua(the creator God is deliverance). All men when they die will be in the realm of death and be DEAD.(unless a seed die it cannot produce fruit). The seed will grow (stand up..which means resurrect)out of the soil into a good plant that produces more fruit and so on and so on.

Salvation/deliverance is the process of Life.The material realm is only the soil/womb/matrix.ALL of mankind WILL be delivered from the realm of death and eventually enter into the realm of Life.THAT is the GOOD news and that is ALL Yahoshua(and the disciples) proclaimed and nothing less or more.Everything else is just religion or mysticism.

The Israelites and later the Jews did not “know” Yahweh.They wrote their distorted perception of Yahweh and made them into their image just as all of mankind does through their personal Belief System religion..that is mankind's nature…to “believe” their OWN religion. Fortunately(for ALL of mankind) none of it is Truth.If it is everyone is in for literally an infinity of hell their vain imagination has never even thought of with such and insane heinous monster as "their God".

Whatever mans thoughts in their religious carnal mind of the creator God are…they are exactly what the creator God isn’t because the fact is the creator God can not be “known” while living in the valley of the shadow of death because it is an impenetrable veil.The creator God can only be known by what they are doing..Yahoshua….THAT is what it means to “know Yahoshua”….this fantasy creature with long hair and a beard that the majority of people “imagine” in their mind is not Yahoshua it is Jesus the man of 'their" history.

The man “Jesus” is NEVER coming “back” to the planet earth to set up an earthly Kingdom where people will “worship” him like a tyrant or he will kick their ass like he will “slaughter" the majority of mankind for not “believing in him or whatever religious fantasy someone believes.It should be obvious there is NO version of “Jesus” that is true.He wasn’t just a “good man” who ascended because he “knew mystical stuff” and everyone will be like him if they do such and such method…or any other religious or mystical fantasy.

Yahoshua clearly told the disciples I will NEVER leave you and Yahoshua never has left because Yahoshua was the SEED sown in the material realm that ALL LIFE is “being” conceived by.The Jews await their conquering messiah to setup and Earthly kingdom and they are the “Kings” chosen people.The Christians await the same thing with their multitude of variations as do the Muslims with their variation..the fact is that is NEVER going to happen.The material universe is soil where Life is conceived. Everything dies in it…it is a kingdom of death.

There is only one thing that can be known of the Kingdom of Life..the “process" of salvation is happening right now(and is not even close to completion).None has caused ANY of it to happen to themselves in the same way none caused their conception nor growth in the womb of their mother.Everything from the seed to the deliverance was something that “happened” to you not “caused” by you…the same “process of the conception of life ” is happening now TO you not “by” you.There is NOTHING anyone can do to “cause” their salvation(conception to deliverance to Life).

Everyones purpose in the womb is to “live” in the womb.There is nothing more that you can do.However it is an absolute you will also die in the womb and then eventually be delivered OUT of it and “into” Life.It can be no other way.The creator God is causing it all and the creator can only cause LIFE no matter what mankinds skewered perception of that Life (and this life /death) ..

The scriptures are true(the bible is not the scriptures) however the only are a testimony that testifies of Yahoshua.They do not “cause anything.They are NOT the word(the seed) of the creator God Yahoshua is.Just because it is a testimony it doesn’t mean everything “written” in it is truth.The Israelites and Jews perception of Yahweh was not the truth at all and Israel is the archetype of ALL of mankind.Israel means struggles with the creator God(called Elhoim..El).That is truly mankind’s nature and character(name) fortunately for ALL of mankind it will not always be so.

All of mankind will receive a “new nature and character” which is absolutely inconceivable and it has never even entered into the mind of man.It will ALL be accomplished by and through Yahoshua.That’s the very Good News.




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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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This idea that there must be peace between the mother and the son is wrong IMO. Which is started with the assumption that YHWH is Jesus, and that the OT is correct and innerrant. I agree with you that the Father is Male and Female, and we see the Spirit acting like a Mother brooding over the waters. We also see Jesus in his role as divine feminine when he says he wishes he could gather them as chicks under his wing. I believe the anabaptists spoke of Christ our Hen.

Our points of dissension come at the nature of Jesus and Yahweh. Again I say that the god of this world, aka satan, aka the mind of adam, or the soulish mind (wisdom of below is earthy devilish) is what produces the image of the beast, which is an imagination, this image is the image of the Janus faced God (see Michael Hardin's work at preaching peace.org), the one who produces light and dark aka the god of the OT. Our darkened mind distorts the truth, as we are veiled by death. This is what produces the law of Moses, which is the power of death, and the god of Moses, the image of Yahweh. Moses also couldn't enter the promised land, he died in the wilderness.

I don't see any need for reconciliation between Father/Mother/Son of God, and also I don't see Father=God, Mother=Spirit, Son=Yahweh/Jesus. The only need for reconciliation is from us, the wandering bride, and when we do, we die, as a caterpillar "dies" goes into the tomb and emerges as the butterfly/Son of God. The son was never separate from the will of the Father (I only do what my Father tells me), the son is the will of the Father.

I don't think you ever responded to my long post about the prodigal on another of your threads, but please refer to that for a different take. Jesus is the true elder brother, who acts in the nature of the Father. The religious man aka Moses, or those who sit in his seat, the pharisees/elders are the false elder brother. They are the ones who remain outside the party, they don't want to let anyone in, especially that prodigal. The prodigal is not Jesus, nor Yahweh, but mankind/adam.




posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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I answered in a thread. The Son's Spirit must be refined to be an individuation from Mother and Father. No multiplicity can be possible unless the Spirit is first trained. LINK



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: Rex282
Cut out all the mysticism and spiritual conjecture and …yes..the son is the seed of the creator God the Father (Yahweh) that was “sown into the “soil”(earth..material realm) which is Yahoshua(Yahweh IS salvation/deliverance)….and…that’s it…..that is all that can be known.All the religion and mysticism is just conjecture to try to describe something that isn’t and can’t be known.

The scriptures sole purpose is to be a testimony of Yahoshua that testifies of the Truth…the “coming” of the Kingdom of the creator God realm (which has not come yet nor is it here).Yahoshua clearly stated his Kingdom (which is the Fathers) is NOT of this world/age/realm.

The Kingdom of the creator God is the realm of LIFE it is not the realm of the “valley of the shadow of death”(the material realm).The material realm is the “womb” where the seed of the Father the creator God was sown.Everything in it is being conceived and NOTHING (except Yahoshua) has been born out of it into the kingdom of the creator God.

Yahweh is the creator God the Father they are Elohim.There is only ONE creator God and ONE son (seed) of the creator God.Yahoshua clearly stated I and the Father are ONE.Yahoshua “proceeds from the father as the seed.The seed produces LIFE(Spirit) the life man lives is the spirit of man which will die.The Life the creator God produces from the seed cannot die it is ONLY Life just as the Father is Life(Spirit).

All of mankind will die(all in Adam die) and ALL of mankind will live through the seed of the second Adam because ALL will live through Yahoshua(the creator God is deliverance). All men when they die will be in the realm of death and be DEAD.(unless a seed die it cannot produce fruit). The seed will grow (stand up..which means resurrect)out of the soil into a good plant that produces more fruit and so on and so on.

Salvation/deliverance is the process of Life.The material realm is only the soil/womb/matrix.ALL of mankind WILL be delivered from the realm of death and eventually enter into the realm of Life.THAT is the GOOD news and that is ALL Yahoshua(and the disciples) proclaimed and nothing less or more.Everything else is just religion or mysticism.

The Israelites and later the Jews did not “know” Yahweh.They wrote their distorted perception of Yahweh and made them into their image just as all of mankind does through their personal Belief System religion..that is mankind's nature…to “believe” their OWN religion. Fortunately(for ALL of mankind) none of it is Truth.If it is everyone is in for literally an infinity of hell their vain imagination has never even thought of with such and insane heinous monster as "their God".

Whatever mans thoughts in their religious carnal mind of the creator God are…they are exactly what the creator God isn’t because the fact is the creator God can not be “known” while living in the valley of the shadow of death because it is an impenetrable veil.The creator God can only be known by what they are doing..Yahoshua….THAT is what it means to “know Yahoshua”….this fantasy creature with long hair and a beard that the majority of people “imagine” in their mind is not Yahoshua it is Jesus the man of 'their" history.

The man “Jesus” is NEVER coming “back” to the planet earth to set up an earthly Kingdom where people will “worship” him like a tyrant or he will kick their ass like he will “slaughter" the majority of mankind for not “believing in him or whatever religious fantasy someone believes.It should be obvious there is NO version of “Jesus” that is true.He wasn’t just a “good man” who ascended because he “knew mystical stuff” and everyone will be like him if they do such and such method…or any other religious or mystical fantasy.

Yahoshua clearly told the disciples I will NEVER leave you and Yahoshua never has left because Yahoshua was the SEED sown in the material realm that ALL LIFE is “being” conceived by.The Jews await their conquering messiah to setup and Earthly kingdom and they are the “Kings” chosen people.The Christians await the same thing with their multitude of variations as do the Muslims with their variation..the fact is that is NEVER going to happen.The material universe is soil where Life is conceived. Everything dies in it…it is a kingdom of death.

There is only one thing that can be known of the Kingdom of Life..the “process" of salvation is happening right now(and is not even close to completion).None has caused ANY of it to happen to themselves in the same way none caused their conception nor growth in the womb of their mother.Everything from the seed to the deliverance was something that “happened” to you not “caused” by you…the same “process of the conception of life ” is happening now TO you not “by” you.There is NOTHING anyone can do to “cause” their salvation(conception to deliverance to Life).

Everyones purpose in the womb is to “live” in the womb.There is nothing more that you can do.However it is an absolute you will also die in the womb and then eventually be delivered OUT of it and “into” Life.It can be no other way.The creator God is causing it all and the creator can only cause LIFE no matter what mankinds skewered perception of that Life (and this life /death) ..

The scriptures are true(the bible is not the scriptures) however the only are a testimony that testifies of Yahoshua.They do not “cause anything.They are NOT the word(the seed) of the creator God Yahoshua is.Just because it is a testimony it doesn’t mean everything “written” in it is truth.The Israelites and Jews perception of Yahweh was not the truth at all and Israel is the archetype of ALL of mankind.Israel means struggles with the creator God(called Elhoim..El).That is truly mankind’s nature and character(name) fortunately for ALL of mankind it will not always be so.

All of mankind will receive a “new nature and character” which is absolutely inconceivable and it has never even entered into the mind of man.It will ALL be accomplished by and through Yahoshua.That’s the very Good News.


Immortal mortals, mortal immortals. One living their death, the other dying their life. ~ Heraclitus.
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