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Lawrence Lessig: The Man You Have Never Heard Of Who Should Be Running In 2016

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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: pheonix358

The 2nd amendment is also about a well ordered militia. The NRA propagandized that out of public memory. Where are the well ordered militias that make fun ownership valid?


The 2nd is simply the right to bear arms, end of story.

The whole purpose of the second is to stop a tyrannical government.

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Actually the second amendment was a concession to southern slave holders who were concerned about slaves who might want to rebel . That is what the well armed militia was for, to put down a slave rebellion. The founding fathers were no saints. If you look at it closely they were just a new brand of tryant trying to carve out their own niche. A rebellion of citizens was the last thing they wanted.




posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: WordsAreAvenues
A man we've never heard of? Eh, we had one of those guys win in 2008.

LOL yeah we fresh out of hope here, moving on!
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Emeraldous

If you have no hope left, that's a personal failing. Hope is necessary for positive change. I'm incredibly unhappy with the state of society but I still have hope. Hope requires nothing except a positive outlook. If you've given into despair why bother doing anything?



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: smithjustinb

So because he wants reasonable limitations on guns he's a tyrant. He's quite far from a tyrant. Maybe you should look into him more. He seems like an all around nice guy. He has done nothing but try to fight for democracy and the little guy.



Except for the part where he wants to absolutely destroy the little guy's guaranteed right and ability to defend himself. The guy has clearly never held an "assault" rifle, has never been the victim of a home invasion and clearly never had someone shooting at him. Ask any sane person in the military if there is a significant difference between a 30 round magazine and a 5 round magazine in terms of defending yourself or disarming a hostile aggressor.

We do NOT need MORE gun laws, there are too many on the books already, so just enforce the laws we already have. The 2nd Amendment is the insurance policy of the Constitution, and it says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

We get it, people that know absolutely nothing about firearms are scared of them and turn guns into the boogyman, but YOUR fears are not validation to take away the rights of the rest of the country. And yes, I'm absolutely sick of and heartbroken everytime some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage, but the actions of lunatics are not justification for taking away the rights of 100 million law abiding citizens. "Common sense gun reform" is anything but, and every single time they try to do it, these would-be tyrants like Dianne Fineswine aren't happy with an inch so they try to take a mile, then when they don't get their way, Executive Orders. If you want to stop school shootings, go after the root causes of the problem, not the method of attack.

Lastly, ask residents of Chicago how those strict gun laws are working for them. I would point out the hundreds of millions of disarmed humans who were murdered by tyrannical governments but y'all just love to discount that sledgehammer-to-the-face evidence because this is America, Land of Milk and Honey.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: LowTechRedneck

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: smithjustinb

So because he wants reasonable limitations on guns he's a tyrant. He's quite far from a tyrant. Maybe you should look into him more. He seems like an all around nice guy. He has done nothing but try to fight for democracy and the little guy.



Except for the part where he wants to absolutely destroy the little guy's guaranteed right and ability to defend himself. The guy has clearly never held an "assault" rifle, has never been the victim of a home invasion and clearly never had someone shooting at him. Ask any sane person in the military if there is a significant difference between a 30 round magazine and a 5 round magazine in terms of defending yourself or disarming a hostile aggressor.

We do NOT need MORE gun laws, there are too many on the books already, so just enforce the laws we already have. The 2nd Amendment is the insurance policy of the Constitution, and it says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

We get it, people that know absolutely nothing about firearms are scared of them and turn guns into the boogyman, but YOUR fears are not validation to take away the rights of the rest of the country. And yes, I'm absolutely sick of and heartbroken everytime some lunatic goes on a shooting rampage, but the actions of lunatics are not justification for taking away the rights of 100 million law abiding citizens. "Common sense gun reform" is anything but, and every single time they try to do it, these would-be tyrants like Dianne Fineswine aren't happy with an inch so they try to take a mile, then when they don't get their way, Executive Orders. If you want to stop school shootings, go after the root causes of the problem, not the method of attack.

Lastly, ask residents of Chicago how those strict gun laws are working for them. I would point out the hundreds of millions of disarmed humans who were murdered by tyrannical governments but y'all just love to discount that sledgehammer-to-the-face evidence because this is America, Land of Milk and Honey.




Maybe that's just saying something for the people in this country then. Plenty of other countries have strict laws regarding civilians and guns, and it works just fine for them.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: LowTechRedneck

So in your opinion every civilian should get access to grenade launchers and miniguns? Those are arms too.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: LowTechRedneck

Also if the point of the 2nd amendment is to safeguard against tyranny and all the gun nuts are screaming about the tyranny of Obama or the American government why aren't they rebelling?

You just want your toys. Plain and simple.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

Perhaps we can buy a decommissioned battleship, destroyer or, why not, aircraft carrier.

At least the Government could make some of the ridiculous money that goes to the "Defense" industry back.

'Cause you know (and it's basically a fact they were politely known as privateers or as pirates by the not so polite) it was, at the time of the Consitution, acceptable for civilians to own warships.

I'd actually have less of a problem with a citizen owning a battleship than I would a fully-automatic-huge-magazine firearm.

EDIT: LOL, that's how ridiculous the matter has become.
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posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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There is a precedence.

www.slate.com...

Can we have mortars too? I should be able to hunt with a mortar. Those squirrels will never see it coming and I won't even have to cook them before i eat them.

It's funny how the NRA completely destroyed the public's understanding of the 2nd amendment. Propaganda is really America specialty. Goebbels has nothing on even the most pathetic American propagandist.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

Perhaps we should seek tactical nukes and kill EVERY SQUIRREL IN THE FOREST AT THE SAME TIME!!!

Muhahaha ... ha.

Amazing that we've set off on the tangent of one small element of Mr. Lessig's "platform" ... although not surprising.

He's a faculty member both at Harvard University and Harvard Law School. They don't give those positions away to just anyone, although, for the anti-intellectuals/anti-higher education proponents, it's understandable why the critiques are flying.

Another interesting fact about him was that he clerked for Justice Scalia at one point.

He's got my vote for being a student of philosophy and for supporting campaign finance reform, if nothing else.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 05:15 PM
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I am so happy to see that this thread got past the word "guns" and began to move into the realm of just how impressive of a guy Mr Lessig appears to be.

Personally he had me at "net neutrality" - and all the rest is just some very amazing icing and more layers of cakey type goodness. Just knowing that there are thinkers, with human souls left, who are in a position to influence politicians is a nice change from the doom porn norm.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide

Well, another interesting thing to me, as someone who has straddled the political fences at least conceptually before this election, was his movement away from Conservatism and Libertarianism based on his philosophical studies at Cambridge.

I know Cambridge is not that impressive these days to many, but for anyone that appreciates what that means, it does clearly demonstrate that Mr. Lessig is a cut far, far above the average politician these days.

I'm still reading about him, but, Hefficide, did I understand that his change of heart came after studying Eastern politics or philosophy?

At any rate, it's amazing that a guy who was once conservative enough to work for Scalia is now espousing fairly liberal values (with the proviso that he is for less government interference).

Thanks for bringing him to our attention!
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posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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You did read that correctly. From what I gather visiting Eastern Bloc European countries ( Sweden in particular ) left Lessig seeing things differently, with a more liberal slant. Sweden ( those filthy commies to some ) has a higher per capita ratio of gun owners and less crime ( something that gun lovers should be screaming ) - yet they don't.

Why? I suppose it is because Sweden also has free medical care, free college, free Internet - all tax financed. Even though their taxation is just a hair higher than ours we, as a Nation, don't seem ready to make that leap. We seem to prefer our tax dollars disappearing into black budgets and serving up Pork deals for our representation.



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide

Perhaps that's why the conversation was (intentionally?) shifted from economics or finance reform or net neutrality or intellectual property rights to guns, yeehah!

I have often mused that I would like to join the Common Sense and Reason Party ... but I have thus far been unable to find it.

So, I have to settle for the guys who favor science over superstition, and the good of the many over the greed of the few.

Thanks again!



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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Came across this movie that had Lessig in it so what the heck, I thought it might make a nice addition to this thread. He seems pretty cool in this doc. There's gotta be something good about the guy as he hired Swartz when he was just a kid as he knew Swartz was onto something then. Here's the thread:

The Internet's Own Boy: The Aaron Swartz Story




posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Thanks for the post.

Anyone with a brain can see he's good people. He has no hidden agenda. He just gets painted with the "liberal gun hating hippie communist" brush because he is progressive. Propaganda is so good that a person who is progressive or FOR PROGRESS is automatically dismissed by conservatives because it's associated with Democrats.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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After watching the flick my thought was if he's a friend of Swartz's then he must be a decent dude. Swartz was a guy that I would love to have met as I can't find anything he did/said I disagree with and Lessig was there with him(sort of, at least as a friend) so that's gotta say something about Lessig's character. I doubt Swartz would have hooked up with Lessig if he thought he wasn't on the up and up.

It's a really really great doc and there's a fair bit of Lessig in the doc so it's worth watching.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

Lessig started off fighting for net neutrality and such. He moved into to campaign finance reform when he realized that money is too powerful to defend against.

The best defense is a good offense right?

I'll definitely watch the documentary later. Any friend of Lessig is good people.

You should also check out Warren. I just read her most recent book and god damn. She puts Republicans to shame in their own ideals. She is a true warrior for the middle class.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 02:18 PM
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WOW I like this guy.






Here is a petition to get him to run in 2016. Its on the right hand side. 1,401 more signatures until the goal of 3,200 is reached.

actionnetwork.org...

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posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

Isn't she the one we had a thread on recently and she supports Israel? If so, then she's just another bootlicker(like all of the others, no surprise there) and can't be trusted, no matter what else she says that may be right.

I will admit I know little about her but if that's true, then I can't jump on her bandwagon.



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