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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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I cannot believe I'm linking to The Daily Caller, but, truth is truth where ever we find it.

Both Sides Use Vote-Shaming To Motivate Voters



Margie Hall, an Alaska Republican, received such a letter. It contained not only her history, but her husband’s, and several other “friends, neighbors and colleagues.”

“I thought well, somebody is being a righteous idiot,” Hall, a retired nurse, said. “Why would they think that shaming would make people comply?”

The letter was from the “Alaska State Voter Project,” a group that appears to receive the lion’s share of its funding from a retired man in Oregon who supports conservative causes. It opens in all caps with, “WHAT IF YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR NEIGHBORS AND YOUR COMMUNITY KNEW WHETHER YOU VOTED?


Wait, did that say Republican ... why yes, yes it did.

Much ado about nothing, as usual.
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Only Democrats play with elections. Republicans are honest and straightforward. They never engage in dirty tactics.

Well except every single one in the book. Voter shaming, voter suppression, judicial overrule of election results, gerrymandering.

Both parties are corrupt as hell. The only difference is that a tiny minority of Democrats and a microscopic number of Republicans actually care about Americans in general.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: tavi45

Sure, politics is a dirty business. No one in politics is pure and wholesome.

The "both Parties are the same" however, doesn't work for me anymore.

If for nothing more than what they pretend to stand for, I'll take the party that favors scientific understanding, equality for all, healthcare for all, that values education, voter participation, and the environment, that favors a mixed economy and a free market supported by reasonable and legitimate regulation ... so forth and so on.

...and that's NOT the Republican party.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


That is what my quite elderly mother said she would do if she got a letter like that, vote exactly the opposite of what the person who sent the letter wanted her to vote. She said she'd be that angry.


Wow grammie - I wouldn't think a tanny tantrum could possibly be considered a rational reason to decide a vote for anyone

It explains so much :-)

So, Gramms - you're going to go down with your OP then? Sticking to your guns?

As we've all been discussing here in this thread, you either actually believe that article you link and all that you're putting out there, or...

You do this knowing that it's both dishonest and somewhat malicious

I'm not sure which of these two possibilities is the saddest



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, the whole vote-shaming thing is not a very good motivator. It's just using a hive mentality. I think it also stems from wrong thinking in terms of getting numbers for your party.
Are people flocking to the party because of what you are doing to represent them? If not, then rethink what the people are looking for.
Republicans generally don't think in terms of giving Americans stuff, so they have to attract voters with something else.
The Democrat Party has a history of giving people stuff....
yep it's true. Vote for us we'll give you free stuff.
Only we know there is a hidden price tag. It's freedom, liberty, and inflation.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: tavi45

There's dishonest people in politics in both major parties. I have posted many times that the Bush family are Skull and Bones and were part of the whole funding the Nazis and what not. The CFR controls both parties. This has been going on for quite a while. Carter was a Trilateralist and that goes back to 76. The Tri Laterals and CFR are pretty much the same thing. Rhodes Scholar was the European verson, and Clinton was Rhodes.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Republicans give plenty.

They gave us the patriot act, two wars, and tax breaks to the rich.

The price tag for that was. It's freedom, liberty, inflation, and American lives.

Anyway, so that I don't go too far off track from the OP sorry vote shaming as you put it is perfectly fine IMO. Those who don't take a little time every two years to vote will get no sympathy from me. Maybe questionnaires sent to those who don't vote will help get them involved in their civic duty.


I wonder is the list of registered voters who do not vote on some website. I am curious if my neighbors do their part. I have one neighbor who is always complaining about the government. I am curious if he votes. If he does then so be it to his constant complaints but if he doesn't vote then I can tell him I don't need to hear it from him.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

democrats voted for the patriot act, two wars. or did you forget that.
here is a roll call for the patriot act for both house and senate.
Senate and House Vote Roll Call on U.S. Patriot Act 2001 & 2006

i see no need to post the war votes we all know they did to.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


There are and have been more Democrats than Republicans in the United States.

You and your Con buddies can't accept that fact. Thus the lies about voter registration, voter fraud, the games you've played in the State legislatures with gerrymandering unseen in recent times, etc.

You're LOSING this country. And why is that? Many reasons ...

But mostly, the same kind of tired dishonest rhetoric and outdated ideas you yourself keep posting here ad nauseam and expect to be taken as fact.

If the height of your political analysis is that the Democratic party "gives people stuff" perhaps your talents lie elsewhere.

We favor a social safety net for the least fortunate, you prefer giving millionaires more millions.

You and your Republican fatcat holy-rollin' buddies do not own liberty and freedom.

All Americans deserve liberty and freedom, whereas the Republicans believe those belong only to the few at the top.

As far as inflation, LOL, that's the second time you've sounded like you're writing us from the early 1980s, not surprising since that's the source of your failed economic and social policies.

Enjoy living in the past, TEoH.

EDIT: To make certain that I wasn't unfairly charging TEoH ... I went to look at inflation rates.

Interestingly, during Obama's terms the rates are lower by half on average than during the Bush Administration.

That's GW Bush, by the way, I know Third has a penchant for the past.

Current US Inflation Rates


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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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They gave us the patriot act


You might want to check your recent history. Joe Biden claims to have drafted the Patriot Act


Months before the Oklahoma City bombing took place, Biden introduced another bill called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. It previewed the 2001 Patriot Act by allowing secret evidence to be used in prosecutions, expanding the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and wiretap laws, creating a new federal crime of “terrorism” that could be invoked based on political beliefs, permitting the U.S. military to be used in civilian law enforcement, and allowing permanent detention of non-U.S. citizens without judicial review.* The Center for National Security Studies said the bill would erode “constitutional and statutory due process protections” and would “authorize the Justice Department to pick and choose crimes to investigate and prosecute based on political beliefs and assoc



Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. “I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill,” he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as “the Democratic Party’s de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism.”

www.washingtonsblog.com...
Perhaps it would be better to try to understand that many of these things are espoused by globalists of both parties.

Why would the Clinton administration have a counterterrorism bill similar to the Core of the Patriot Act drafted, then make it appear as if it is just GOP eroding our liberties and our privacy?
Bunch of snakes in the grass.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 05:22 PM
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You're LOSING this country



I am not exactly sure just what you meant by this. Did you mean Republicans are losing the country? Or did you just mean Patriots who love freedom, or did you mean all of us? If you believe that the GOP are losing the country than it can only mean that it's because the socialists have been making headway turning it into a Marxist he&&pit. That's how I see it too. So I might have to agree with you there.
We will see how things go this election. I think you might be eating some magpie.
I do not do dishonest speak. But if you must project your own outrageous lies and dishonesty on to me then so be it, and don't let the karma hit you on the way out!
Millionaires....well well well, our dear leader has had quite a few former Goldman Sachs people in his administration, there are more wealthy Democrats involved in government and supporting the socialist agenda than there are Republicans, but go on believing that tired old rhetoric that Republicans are wealthy haters and Democrats the staunch supporters of the poor downtrodden. It's the biggest load of crock ever!

How about I name a few extremely wealthy Democrats and supporters of the Democrat agenda...
Bill Gates
George soros
Warren Buffett
Nancy Pelosi
Harry reid
Ted Turner
Barbra Streisand
most of Hollywood
John Kerry
Jay Rockefeller
Diane Feinstein

so please save the whine for your next pity party.

By the way, your mom must be doing all he grocery shopping in your house because you apparently do not know how much the cost of living has gone up just in the last couple years.

I do not blame just the current admin, I blame all of government allowing us to have unfunded liabilities and overspending we can't afford, borrowing from the Fed like there's no tomorrow.
Please instead of trying to pretend inflation isn't happening, why don't you get your head out of the sand and study economics too while you are at it.

And oh yes, there are currently two different threads on the state of the economy right now. Please go check them out. You might be surprised at what other people have to say about this.
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You walk and quack and post like a Republican, I call you a Republican.

Are you really trying to spin yourself as a "Patriot that loves Freedom?" Because you mouth a few of Limbaugh's and Beck's catchphrases and get all gooey inside at your memories of Ronald Reagan?

Please.

Magpie, huh? Can't just say "eat crow" like regular folks, eh? Or is that a special delicacy in your household?

(Please note: That is not a dig at you personally that you might be a hick, hillbilly or redneck, so don't even go there.)

I'm on the record saying I hope the Republicans take both chambers of Congress in this election:

1. It's a mid-term, the only time when you guys have even a slight chance.

2. You've been working hard the last two years to suppress as many votes as you can, and I think hard work should pay off.

3. I'm anxious to see just how badly you guys can mess things up again before 2016.

As to the rest ...

I'd personally be fine with more socialism in our government, but the United States is and has been a mixed economy with actually very few if any true socialist characteristics. But you go on blathering about it.

Yada yada Marxists yada yada Communists ... now you sound like a broken record from the McCarthy era.

Why don't you actually look at the economic statistics instead of pulling bad information out of ... wherever. Inflation is lower than it's been in years, and has not been a concern in the economy since the Reagan years, of which you seem desperately familiar. Why don't YOU get some economic facts under your belt and come back and talk when you understand something concrete and real?

Go out and ask 10 people on the street at random which political party favors the super-rich and get back to me.

As much as I enjoy this partisan bickering with you ThirdEye, as you keep saying, we really should try to stay on topic. Do you want to tell us again how the Republicans, doing the same thing as the Democrats in these "shaming" letters, are really not doing the same thing at all?

Or does it depend on what the meaning of "is" is, still?



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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You might want to check your recent history. Joe Biden claims to have drafted the Patriot Act


What president signed the patriot act into existence?? What political party was that president part of??

As I am sure you would try to dodge that question if I left t too you I will give you the answer.

Bush and Republican. That is where the blame lays for making it law.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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Obama with Democrat House and Democrat Senate......

That is where the blame lays for keeping it law.



Privacy advocates had called for greater oversight on aspects of the Patriot Act that give the government broad powers. But the version Obama signed Saturday moved through Congress unchanged.

Obama signs Patriot Act extension without reforms (March 1, 2010)


Rubbish.


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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: tavi45

Sure, politics is a dirty business. No one in politics is pure and wholesome.

The "both Parties are the same" however, doesn't work for me anymore.

If for nothing more than what they pretend to stand for, I'll take the party that favors scientific understanding, equality for all, healthcare for all, that values education, voter participation, and the environment, that favors a mixed economy and a free market supported by reasonable and legitimate regulation ... so forth and so on.

...and that's NOT the Republican party.



If you fact check all those reasons that you say are so good you would discover what a complete fantasy it is. Scientific understanding? ROFL
Equality for all? ROFLMAO
Reasonable and legitimate regulation? Wow, what a joke. FANTASY LAND is where you live.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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Hmmm ... there may be rubbish, but it has a Republican stink to it ... from your linked article Xuenchen:



Ms. Richardson said politics was certainly a factor in the Democrats' decision not to pick a fight with Republicans over Patriot Act reforms. “This year has become about bread and butter domestic issues,” she says.

But while many Democrats chose to punt on a Patriot Act revision, she says, some did so “on the premise that the extra year would give more time to work out” adjustments that would narrow its scope. “It will be our goal to hold their feet to the fire to make sure that happens,” she says.


So, the Democrats worked out a "compromise" with the Republicans ... which of course the Republicans ignored after 2010.

Why was that, one wonders:



Still, even though Obama was critical of the law as a senator, Republican lawmakers suggest they will resist any move to change the Patriot Act.

"Recent terror attacks, such as those at Ft. Hood and on Christmas Day, demonstrate just how severe of a threat we are facing," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), according to the Associated Press. "This extension keeps Patriot's security measures in place and demonstrates that there is a growing recognition that these crucial provisions must be preserved."


Look at the voting records Hounddog posted earlier; it is easy to see which party opposed the extensions to the Patriot Act, even though it was pushed through ultimately in light of political expediency: the Democrats.

But wait, wait a minute though ... who authored the Patriot Act again back in 2001?



Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) authored the original Patriot Act after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and previously served as chair of the House Judiciary Committee.


Source

What does that little R mean again? Oh yeah ...

... Republican.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Thanks for sharing your opinion Corruption.

Why don't YOU fact check my claims? It's all too easy for me to do it.

Compare and contrast the two parties in terms of their confidence in and support of science.

Compare and contrast the two parties in terms of their positions on civil rights, marriage equality, etc.

Show how business and the American public were so much better off before we had modern regulatory efforts in place; why don't you start with Upton Sinclair's The Jungle and explain how you'd like to purchase half-rotten meat products.

Prove it. Put the facts where your mouth is.
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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Oh please Grimpach. You won't even take Joe Biden's word that he was the original architect of the Patriot Act, no of course it has to be all Bush.....even though Democrats and Republicans both passed the bill. Just like they both authorized the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Honestly where you do you come off blaming Bush for something both parties signed off on?
While we are on the subject of Presidents signing bills.....

www.cnn.com...

what now?



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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Wait a minute, haven't we established that each President is responsible for everything that happens while he is President?

I mean, that's the story for Obama ... he's responsible for everything from Ebola to Jock Itch.

So, Bush signed the bill into law, it's Bush's law.

BTW, not for nothin', once again ...



Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) authored the original Patriot Act after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and previously served as chair of the House Judiciary Committee.


Pesky facts, I know, I know.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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Honestly where you do you come off blaming Bush for something both parties signed off on?




Article I, section 7 of the Constitution grants the President the authority to veto legislation passed by Congress. This authority is one of the most significant tools in the President can employ to prevent the passage of legislation. Even the threat of a veto can bring about changes in the content of legislation long before the bill is ever presented to the President. The Constitution provides the President 10 days (excluding Sundays) to act on legislation or the legislation automatically becomes law.
history.house.gov...

Please take a little time and read the link. The patriot act becoming law rests firmly on Bushes shoulders.

As far as it being extended I hate him for it but the blame for it becoming law lays with Bush and his party.

It seems Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) authored the original Patriot Act as Gryph pointed out.

Nice try but it is way too early to be revising history.



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