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Massachusetts Students Suspended For Holding Airsoft Guns In Picture Taken At HOME.

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posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 05:17 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
" caption below the photo that reads 'Homecoming 2014.'" - well, that SHOULD raise some red flags.. Has nothing to do with some so-called "socialist state" - you don't have that.


This. It should raise red flags, but those flags shouldn't necessarily result in suspension or expulsion but a determination of whether it was bad taste or not.

And what this has to do with a worker owned economy is beyond me...
edit on 10/31/2014 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: tavi45
I have zero sympathy for kids getting in trouble for pictures on Facebook. We all know we're surveiled. Maybe don't take pictures and put em in public. Why are their guns involved with homecoming? I didn't pose with my favorite book or video game in any pictures. How about people stop with the attention seeking? Nobody poses with guns that isn't seeking status or validation. It's just dumb. My friend tried to impress me with his gun when I was younger. It's not that special. Stop trying to look cool.


What about:
"Land of the free" and "Freedom of speech" and "Freedom to own a weapon" and other non-sense. Maybe it's time to stop using those terms then and stop lying to US residents that they live in a free country?



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:13 AM
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I don't get it.

Whenever a mass shooting happens in America we get multiple reports of threatening facebook messages, photos, neighbours saying they were odd, psychiatrist notes, and creepy videos but no one does anything about it. Two children with toy guns is suddenly battle stations though? By all means look into things but this seems odd to me.

Besides, according to my avatar I'm about to shoot up ATS.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: Domo1
I don't care if they were real guns. This is bull. There was no threat. Nothing in that picture is illegal. Nothing they said was threatening.

Common sense sure isn't common anymore.

Agreed, this is ridiculous!!! I've got 3 boys & many pics of them playing cops & robbers with antique or old play guns that look real. Pictures from them playing at home. So now our kids can't even enjoy PLAYING at home?? The one the boys holding, looks like it could go with his suit.like a little mobster for Halloween. I love it personally. I think they look cute...



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: tavi45
I have zero sympathy for kids getting in trouble for pictures on Facebook. We all know we're surveiled. Maybe don't take pictures and put em in public. Why are their guns involved with homecoming? I didn't pose with my favorite book or video game in any pictures. How about people stop with the attention seeking? Nobody poses with guns that isn't seeking status or validation. It's just dumb. My friend tried to impress me with his gun when I was younger. It's not that special. Stop trying to look cool.


What about:
"Land of the free" and "Freedom of speech" and "Freedom to own a weapon" and other non-sense. Maybe it's time to stop using those terms then and stop lying to US residents that they live in a free country?


What about "it's better to be safe than sorry"? What if these kids were going to shoot up students during homecoming? You can't say it's impossible - it's theoretically possible, right? Why expose the other innocent students to potential risk? Suspension isn't a big deal - it's a vacation. These kids didn't have to pose for pictures with guns - now that they have, they should be willing to abide by the suspension rules. It's for the good of the whole.

It simply amazes me that people are frothing at the mouth to force quarantine on someone who has no symptoms of a disease based on a potentiality, yet someone flaunts their guns with a potential for a homecoming shooting rampage, and it's all "rights to guns trump potential gun deaths!"



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: tavi45
I have zero sympathy for kids getting in trouble for pictures on Facebook. We all know we're surveiled. Maybe don't take pictures and put em in public. Why are their guns involved with homecoming? I didn't pose with my favorite book or video game in any pictures. How about people stop with the attention seeking? Nobody poses with guns that isn't seeking status or validation. It's just dumb. My friend tried to impress me with his gun when I was younger. It's not that special. Stop trying to look cool.


What about:
"Land of the free" and "Freedom of speech" and "Freedom to own a weapon" and other non-sense. Maybe it's time to stop using those terms then and stop lying to US residents that they live in a free country?


What about "it's better to be safe than sorry"? What if these kids were going to shoot up students during homecoming? You can't say it's impossible - it's theoretically possible, right? Why expose the other innocent students to potential risk? Suspension isn't a big deal - it's a vacation. These kids didn't have to pose for pictures with guns - now that they have, they should be willing to abide by the suspension rules. It's for the good of the whole.

It simply amazes me that people are frothing at the mouth to force quarantine on someone who has no symptoms of a disease based on a potentiality, yet someone flaunts their guns with a potential for a homecoming shooting rampage, and it's all "rights to guns trump potential gun deaths!"


And 10 days suspension is enough to change their minds, if they planned to shoot a bunch of people? My guess is no.

They're free to take pictures and express themselves as they want as long as they don't harm anyone! This right is protected by the constitution!



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: tavi45
I have zero sympathy for kids getting in trouble for pictures on Facebook. We all know we're surveiled. Maybe don't take pictures and put em in public. Why are their guns involved with homecoming? I didn't pose with my favorite book or video game in any pictures. How about people stop with the attention seeking? Nobody poses with guns that isn't seeking status or validation. It's just dumb. My friend tried to impress me with his gun when I was younger. It's not that special. Stop trying to look cool.


What about:
"Land of the free" and "Freedom of speech" and "Freedom to own a weapon" and other non-sense. Maybe it's time to stop using those terms then and stop lying to US residents that they live in a free country?


What about "it's better to be safe than sorry"? What if these kids were going to shoot up students during homecoming? You can't say it's impossible - it's theoretically possible, right? Why expose the other innocent students to potential risk? Suspension isn't a big deal - it's a vacation. These kids didn't have to pose for pictures with guns - now that they have, they should be willing to abide by the suspension rules. It's for the good of the whole.

It simply amazes me that people are frothing at the mouth to force quarantine on someone who has no symptoms of a disease based on a potentiality, yet someone flaunts their guns with a potential for a homecoming shooting rampage, and it's all "rights to guns trump potential gun deaths!"


And 10 days suspension is enough to change their minds, if they planned to shoot a bunch of people? My guess is no.

They're free to take pictures and express themselves as they want as long as they don't harm anyone! This right is protected by the constitution!


You know, I don't disagree with you. I am just seeing a major cognitive dissonance with most of the posters on this site and it's truly dismaying to me (but shouldn't be surprising).



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 06:59 AM
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If these idiots wouldn't have put that caption on the picture there would have been no issue. What kind of moron puts Homecoming 2014 with a picture of guns? Are you kidding me? This is a little ridiculous for anyone to try to argue.. Like I said.. no comment like that.. no problem.. the problem is what they wrote with the picture. How is this even questionable?



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: tavi45
I have zero sympathy for kids getting in trouble for pictures on Facebook. We all know we're surveiled. Maybe don't take pictures and put em in public. Why are their guns involved with homecoming? I didn't pose with my favorite book or video game in any pictures. How about people stop with the attention seeking? Nobody poses with guns that isn't seeking status or validation. It's just dumb. My friend tried to impress me with his gun when I was younger. It's not that special. Stop trying to look cool.


What about:
"Land of the free" and "Freedom of speech" and "Freedom to own a weapon" and other non-sense. Maybe it's time to stop using those terms then and stop lying to US residents that they live in a free country?


What about "it's better to be safe than sorry"? What if these kids were going to shoot up students during homecoming? You can't say it's impossible - it's theoretically possible, right? Why expose the other innocent students to potential risk? Suspension isn't a big deal - it's a vacation. These kids didn't have to pose for pictures with guns - now that they have, they should be willing to abide by the suspension rules. It's for the good of the whole.

It simply amazes me that people are frothing at the mouth to force quarantine on someone who has no symptoms of a disease based on a potentiality, yet someone flaunts their guns with a potential for a homecoming shooting rampage, and it's all "rights to guns trump potential gun deaths!"


And 10 days suspension is enough to change their minds, if they planned to shoot a bunch of people? My guess is no.

They're free to take pictures and express themselves as they want as long as they don't harm anyone! This right is protected by the constitution!


You know, I don't disagree with you. I am just seeing a major cognitive dissonance with most of the posters on this site and it's truly dismaying to me (but shouldn't be surprising).


It's not cognitive dissonance.

If you are exposed to a disease and we have no way of knowing for sure whether or not you are sick until you have passed the incubation period, then a quarantine is the only way to make sure that you cannot expose others should you indeed have the disease and fall ill.

Vinson didn't think she was sick and exposed others. Spencer didn't think he was sick and exposed others. Hickox may or may not have the disease, that she shows no symptoms and tested negative means not much. Brantly, who had it and was actively sick with it, also tested negative for it the first time he was tested.

Bottom line, we DON'T KNOW enough about Ebola to say for sure whether or not Hickox is healthy just because she took one test. We won't know until she stays healthy for 21 days.

What you're trying to do is draw a comparison between what you think people are thinking based on what you see in a picture and actual biological realities. Kind of apples and oranges.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

And we don't know for sure if these teens are going to shoot anyone or not. We know they have the firepower for it, so we know the potential exists. But in this country, we allow them the freedom to have the guns, until they actually harm us. It is not until after they kill someone (or multiple someones) that we take away their freedoms, to stop them from killing any more people.

The nurse hasn't killed anyone, has no symptoms and has tested negative this far. Sure she has the potential, but she's willing to submit to daily monitoring of her health - are these kids willing to submit to daily monitoring to make sure they don't shoot anyone? I'll bet not.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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But some people are allowed to carry daggers at school.

"A school in Auburn, Washington, a Seattle suburb and not far from the site of Friday's school shooting, has decided to allow a Sikh student to carry a ceremonial dagger."

nation.foxnews.com...



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: ProfessorChaos

So let me get this straight.

Schools can ban Christian based clubs, Govt can force schools to accept Gay based clubs, Schools can't mention or teach Jesus but can mention and teach Mohammad, and now schools can suspend a child for a photo taken inside the private home of a US citizen because of a toy firearm???


Mass, you and CA need to just break off and become your own country. Take NY and NJ with you.


What a F*&%ing joke.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:14 AM
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I saw the picture and soiled myself.
(I have to get my chair dry-cleaned now)

I hope they get GITMO. We can't have people taking pictures. With air-soft guns even!

I think I'm going to be sick, it's probably Ebola, but it's my right to be openly sick in public. I just hope these thugs get life, or the death sentence. Or worse.

"People don't kill people, pictures of kids with toy guns kill people!"

"The horror, the horror."
-Bill Clinton quote on his honeymoon



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
" caption below the photo that reads 'Homecoming 2014.'" - well, that SHOULD raise some red flags.. Has nothing to do with some so-called "socialist state" - you don't have that.


This. It should raise red flags, but those flags shouldn't necessarily result in suspension or expulsion but a determination of whether it was bad taste or not.

And what this has to do with a worker owned economy is beyond me...


This is a sane response. Everyone says to look for red flags, but when one comes up (airsoft or not, they look like guns to the casual observer), there has to be SOME mechanism to check it out without violating rights. If the "homecoming" comment was dug up after a shooting, people would be screaming about, "How could you not take this seriously?".

The correct action would have been to make contact with the parents and make sure they are both aware of the photo and how it MIGHT come across, and that's it. At that point, the parents should be pretty aware whether the behavior was normal and act accordingly. Suspension, punishment, or any sort of action beyond a private query is totally ridiculous.

The caption could easily be questioned even though I'm sure the parent didn't think anything of it. There are such things as simple clarification that can take place without making a scene or unjustified "punishment".
edit on 31-10-2014 by Halfswede because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:32 AM
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I actually understand the disruption it caused, because at first glance, it doesn't look much different than the AR-15 I have. No one would've given it a second thought if they weren't dressed in formal wear along with that caption.


They went to the dance after taking the photo, sans guns. No violence ensued or any disruption at the event. It wasn't until the following monday that students and parents were "concerned".

From the article:

School officials say the dance Friday was uneventful, but people Monday in school were fearful and parents were concerned.


So we now have gotten to the point where 2 happy looking kids taking a homecoming picture holding airsoft guns are scary. Sad sad world we live in.

On a sidenote, during hunting season when I was in high school our principal was ok with us coming in straight from the hunt rifles and all. We just had to make sure they were unloaded and leave them in his office during school hours. What a stark contrast.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: obliterate
no comment like that.. no problem.. the problem is what they wrote with the picture. How is this even questionable?


Agreed, but it wouldn't be a reason to froth at the mouth if they considered the ACTUAL reason for the suspension. And if these kids went on a shooting spree at the Homecoming Dance, people would be complaining that they KNEW there was a problem and did nothing!

LOL! ATS cracks me up sometimes.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic





And if these kids went on a shooting spree at the Homecoming Dance, people would be complaining that they KNEW there was a problem and did nothing!


And and and if unicorns farted rainbows and pooped skittles, we'd all want them as pets. They didn't do anything out of the ordinary at the dance. They captioned the picture with Homecoming 2014 because they were going to the homecoming dance. The same way a million other little couples captioned their homecoming pictures across the country.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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What the people in charge don't seem to get is that these are TOYS. A five year old child can walk into Walmart and purchase one of these!

My ex-fiancé's 13 year old son was walking down the street with one of these and thought it was empty. He was goofing around, pulled the trigger and it turned out there was one little plastic pullet in the chamber. Some old geezer thought he would teach the boy (and the two other kids he was walking with) a lesson and called the cops. The cops pulled up, handcuffed these 3 boys and took them to the police station where they were held in an actual cell for adults and questioned for over three hours.

The parents were told that the boys would be charged with a felony firearm possession charge as well as discharging a firearm within the city limits! How crazy and overkill is that?

Luckily, the boy's mother is a sheriff's deputy and was able to make it all go away... But what if they had followed thru on these charges? Three 13 year old boys' hopes and chances at going to college would have went straight out the window!

Since when is it right to ruin a child's future or traumatize a kid for playing with a TOY?

The folks in charge need a serious lesson in what constitutes an actual firearm and what is simply a kid playing with a toy gun!

Lord, I'd have spent my entire childhood in jail if things had been this way when I was a kid!!!

And the schools need to come to grips with the fact that they DO NOT OWN OUR CHILDREN! When my son is with me, in my care and custody, I will decide what is appropriate for him to do. The only thing they should concern themselves with is his behavior while he is at school!!!



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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I want to get an answer to my question:



And 10 days suspension is enough to change their minds, if they planned to shoot a bunch of people?.


The school may have destroyed their future, since they won't be able to attend any of the prestigious universities because of the picture with an airsoft weapon. And suspension wouldn't be enough to change anyone's mind, if he/she decided to go on a shooting spree, since they already decided for life in prison or even death.



posted on Oct, 31 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: baburak

Say they WERE both deranged, took the airsoft guns to the dance and started shooting.

They shoot little plastic balls. You'd be hard-pressed to kill anyone or anything with one of these - I mean, seriously, it's friggin laughable.

Our kids used to have airsoft wars in the back yard, purposefully shooting one another with these and nerf guns. And I can say, after being caught in the crossfire on multiple occasions, it doesn't hurt. Even at close range. A flu shot is more uncomfortable than being shot with an airsoft gun. Judging from the bruises I've seen left by paintball guns, being shot with an airsoft gun hurts way less.




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