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Russia does not war, nor does she fear it.

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posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 07:19 PM
a reply to: Xcathdra

So you say the Cuba analogy stands because it supports you. My hypothetical scenario is far better. Any use of Cuba by Russia would require traveling halfway across the world to use it. They have no bases anywhere in the Americas. We have bars throughout Europe and the full military and logistical support of most of the continent.

The election in Ukraine is as legitimate as elections here. It was soaked in propaganda and money. Russia may have accepted it but what vice did they have? Russian election watchers found fraud in the Scottish referendum and that was ignored. Western powers dominate the conversation with their media control and propaganda efforts.

There is nothing preventing Russia pushing its agenda except every western power and their vassal states. Russia exercised a bit of its agenda in very small threats and got economically stomped into the ground.

I notice you dodged the Russian demands for joining NATO point entirely.

posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:18 AM

originally posted by: transola
a reply to: ExSmokerYes

Well considering the USA has spent more on the military over the past 10 years than the rest of the world combined, I think it is safe to say we aren't worried. I hope there is not a WW3, but if there was I wouldn't bet on Russia coming out on top.

Sir Winston in his memoirs said Germany had to be punished:
not for Hitler, but the independent currency that turned them
even more viable than before WW1.
Elites hate competition, especially when it's legitimate.

posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:49 AM
a reply to: tavi45

March 2014 - Argentina to Host Russian Military Bases While America Sleeps

March 2009 - A new Cuban missile crisis? Russia eyes bomber bases in Latin America

Russia Says It's Building Naval Bases in Asia, Latin America - Russia’s defense minister says the country will soon build military bases everywhere from Vietnam to Cuba.

So the comparison with Cuba stands.

May 2002 - Nato Gives Russia A Seat At Its Table - Landmark Deal Creates Partnership On Key Issues

2010 - Should Russia Seek to Join NATO?

For Russia, additional costs of NATO membership would stem from the following circumstances:

Due to NATO's consensus-based decision-making, Russia would have to accept the terms that the alliance's East European novices would throw in as prerequisites for Russia's admission.
Switching to NATO's standards would cause huge damage to Russia's own military-industrial complex.
Georgia and Japan would certainly take advantage of Russia considering that a NATO candidate must be free of unsettled territorial disputes with its neighbors.
Russia's own turn to NATO would render meaningless its endeavors to debar a number of post-Soviet republics – Ukraine, Georgia, and Azerbaijan – from the alliance.

The arguments in favor of the NATO membership for Russia which are cited by a part of the country's establishment are akin to the motivation of the character from Jaroslav Hašek's The Good Soldier Švejk: deciding which way to go he simply opted for the best of the roads. Actually, the best road led head on to the enemy positions.

Here are the specifics for Russia and NATO -
Molotov's Proposal that the USSR Join NATO, March 1954

When Molotov returned to Moscow he tasked Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko to formulate proposals on the furtherance of the Soviet collective security campaign. On 10 March Gromyko presented Molotov a draft note for the Presidium proposing that the Soviet position on European collective security should be amended (a) to allow full US participation in the system and (b) the possibility of the USSR joining NATO.[1] Further drafts were presented to Molotov on 20 and 24 March.[2] These drafts were corrected in detail by Molotov. The major change made by Molotov was to delete Gromyko's statement that the USSR would join NATO on certain conditions and to substitute the formulation that the Soviet Union was prepared to discuss the matter with interested parties.

Source: Foreign Policy Archives of the Russian Federation (Arkhiv Vneshnei Politiki Rossiiskoi Federatsii, or AVP RF), F. 6, Op. 13, Pap. 2, D. 9, L1. 56-59. Translated for CWIHP by Geoffrey Roberts. Part 1

Source: Foreign Policy Archives of the Russian Federation (Arkhiv Vneshnei Politiki Rossiiskoi Federatsii, or AVP RF), F. 6, Op. 13, Pap. 2, D. 9, L1. 56-59. Translated for CWIHP by Geoffrey Roberts. Part 2

Source: Foreign Policy Archives of the Russian Federation (Arkhiv Vneshnei Politiki Rossiiskoi Federatsii, or AVP RF), F. 6, Op. 13, Pap. 2, D. 9, L1. 56-59. Translated for CWIHP by Geoffrey Roberts. - Part 3

Conditions by Russia -
* - The US must be removed from the alliance.
* - All US military bases in Europe be removed.
* - Reduction of European military forces.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 08:07 AM
Short explanation of the speech with subtitles:

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 08:51 PM
a reply to: tavi45 China has made land and sea claims far beyond its present borders. Based on the Mongol Empire conquests. India is not nervous about China because of technology, but territorial claims China has made about Indian territory, especially around Tibet. Do not think it is because India took Tibetan territory. Tibet has always been big about not being conquered. Tibet was part of the Mongol Empire, and hence China's claim of merely retaking a breakaway province when invading in the Fifties. For those of short memory, China and Russia have had shooting incidents in the Seventies, along the border of Siberia and Manchuria. Russia claims to just want to insure it has a border of friendly countries, so they can live free of invasion threats. Of course, to get that border it has to invade unfriendly countries and replace their governments, with governments friendly to Russia. Then, of course, since that new friend has unfriendly neighbors, Russia got to help its friends secure friendly neighbors. Going further back, Russia aka Soviet Union sent troops and armor into northern Iran in the Fifties. Thought everyone was looking the other way. The Russians, after World War I, want to claim the entire Ottoman Empire as rightfully theirs, by being the winners. Fortunately, nobody was going to let Lenin have anything, if they could help it. While eating your peaches and cream, remember the peach tree had to be cultivated, the peaches picked and prepared, and the cream came from milk from the cow. That means milking the cow, pasteurizing the milk, separating milk, butter and cream. Nothing is that simple, never has been. It is a broad, simplistic statement, Russia and China want land and resources. They will use threat and intimidation until someone says no, then it will be war.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:04 PM
a reply to: Brandyjack

Russia has resources and more than enough land. Russia knows having more land will cost them too much, they have experienced that with the USSR.

China however does need resources and will claim around the Chinese Sea, but as long as Russia is willing to sell resources at a normal price China is not going after land of Russia for the time being.

Things can change over time, but there are just people who seem to think it can`t.

posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 04:37 AM
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

They aren't selling to china at a normal price though. China took Russia to the cleaners in the last round of gas talks. Why? Because China has Russia over a barrel as being a large industrialized nation that can buy large quantities of Russian resources.

Chinas long term energy goal is self sufficiency. china is using Russia in the short term and the moment China can, Russia will be cut loose as china and Russia have diverging goals.

posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:05 PM

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: codythatkid

Its hard to say with confidence what is happening in the world but I tend agree with Russia's perspective that US is trying to start a major war in Europe to reward its own economic stability. Russia see's the funding of hostiles in Ukraine as a major threat against its borders so time is not on their side. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a sneak Russian (and possibly China) offensive directly against the US in the very near future.

A sneak offensive from Russia & China? That's ludicrous. Putin is batsh*t crazy but he doesn't want war with the US any more than China does. And China wouldn't attack because of our debt to them, as well as the land investments.

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