UKIP in Britain - Manufacturing a new Hitler

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: Korg Trinity

But, that's what a lot of Tory back benchers want, that's why 2 of their ilk have defected.

You must agree with quite a number of their policies if you are willing to support them in Government in return for a in/out referendum.

There are defectors because the Conservative party is not doing what it is saying.... It's a matter of self respect as much as it is attempting to help the UK.

How could any self respecting person stay in a party that just lies thier head off all day long and treat the people as though they were idiots!

There are defectors from other parties too you know!?!

Korg.

You take this pretty seriously dont you?

I that I mean you really beleive this?

Passionately, because I can see how the UK is being bullied and stepped upon by the EU.... which is all comming from Germany and other countries that want to see our success stifled.

We all gave up so much over these last few years to bring our country not only back from the brink but on track to being Europe Largest economy....

I won't stand by and watch as the EU bullies take that hard work and make it mean nothing, and neither should you.

Korg.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: Korg Trinity

I am more than aware of the protocols of professional research.

I also would not ask you to research for me.

The report I posted covers most of the main points and these are from CityUK, I have read other research and being educated and intelligent, I obviously form my opinions wisely, and as such have perused the issues and the corresponding research and have deduced that financially it might be not advisable for the UK leaving the EU in the foreseeable future, much as I would like a lot of the points expressed by UKIP to be sorted, I am realistic and prefer the truth to political spin.

If you want to trudge through the main points in the article I posted then you can but obviously any contrary research would have to be of similarly professional standards.

Gladly, though right for now it is 12:30... I have to be up early for work tomorrow.

So to be continued

Korg.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: Korg Trinity

But, that's what a lot of Tory back benchers want, that's why 2 of their ilk have defected.

You must agree with quite a number of their policies if you are willing to support them in Government in return for a in/out referendum

There are defectors because the Conservative party is not doing what it is saying.... It's a matter of self respect as much as it is attempting to help the UK.

How could any self respecting person stay in a party that just lies thier head off all day long and treat the people as though they were idiots!

There are defectors from other parties too you know!?!

Korg.

You take this pretty seriously dont you?

I that I mean you really beleive this?

Passionately, because I can see how the UK is being bullied and stepped upon by the EU.... which is all comming from Germany and other countries that want to see our success stifled.

We all gave up so much over these last few years to bring our country not only back from the brink but on track to being Europe Largest economy....

I won't stand by and watch as the EU bullies take that hard work and make it mean nothing, and neither should you.

Korg.

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originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: Korg Trinity

But, that's what a lot of Tory back benchers want, that's why 2 of their ilk have defected.

You must agree with quite a number of their policies if you are willing to support them in Government in return for a in/out referendum.

Once more and breaches with comrades.. or something like that.

There are defectors because the Conservative party is not doing what it is saying.... It's a matter of self respect as much as it is attempting to help the UK.

How could any self respecting person stay in a party that just lies thier head off all day long and treat the people as though they were idiots!

There are defectors from other parties too you know!?!

Korg.

You take this pretty seriously dont you?

I that I mean you really beleive this?

Passionately, because I can see how the UK is being bullied and stepped upon by the EU.... which is all comming from Germany and other countries that want to see our success stifled.

We all gave up so much over these last few years to bring our country not only back from the brink but on track to being Europe Largest economy....

I won't stand by and watch as the EU bullies take that hard work and make it mean nothing, and neither should you.

Korg.

a reply to: dam00

I thought Pakistan was in Asia? My mistake.

That poster you post - break it down, look at what it's trying to achieve. "South Yorkshire" in big letters followed by "Pride". The big nominal 1400 which is the fuel I was talking about in the OP. They're working their magic on you and you don't even realise. "POLL CLOSES AT TEN!" Why the exclamation mark?

I know you've got no option other than UKIP - that's a different topic though. But my point still stands, like HItler, Farage is rising from a disgruntled society and this is a bad mix.

I`m on the outside looking in but it seems to me your freedoms are being taken away by the people running things now and Farage is offering a different way.People(White) do fear being labeled racist because after years of being bombarded with political correctness b.s. by the sheep herders, most fear being ostracized by society and charged by the govt for the mere inclination of dislike for any ethnic group of people, no matter how vile.Which is why I find it interesting you choose to lump Farage with someone like Hitler.It seems obvious to me you`re using a trigger word(Hitler) a name that conjures up the absolute worst in racism,which again society has been trained to fear and avoid.
Your country(and mine) are both heading for the cliffs and it will take radical abrupt changes to halt this. The people can see that and that's why Farage is doing so well,they`re waking up. You must be blind not to see that any direction that puts England first and quits catering to the multitudes of ungrateful immigrants demands is better than where you`re at now.

Seems to me that if this is the quality of discussion you are having with a "couple of local MPs", then it just shows how far out of touch these people have become.

Farage is no Hitler. I may not agree with his politics, but he's not some right-wing racist the liberal-left paint him to be either!

Farage is tapping into a real area of concern around the excessive immigration and (frankly) the lying and misleading actions of politicians of all colours, notably the last Labour lot who said one thing but did the opposite, and supported a policy of unrestricted immigration.

Why, for example, are we allowing inward migration from non EU countries, where there is such a cultural difference e.g . from Pakistan. I am personally not against EU population movements because your average Pole is likely to go to the pub for a drink (in my experience anyway), but your average Afghan, Pakistani or Sudanese is not.

As an anecdote. On Channel 4 news the other day there was a British Citizen in Gaza bemoaning the UK's decision not to allow him to transport his Palestinian family over to his house in where-ever in England. While I felt for his predicament, I had no sympathy. He was (somehow) a British citizen, but his words were translated. Work it out and ask "why"! He's British, but cannot speak English! It's a joke.

Regards

originally posted by: paraphi
Seems to me that if this is the quality of discussion you are having with a "couple of local MPs", then it just shows how far out of touch these people have become.

Farage is no Hitler. I may not agree with his politics, but he's not some right-wing racist the liberal-left paint him to be either!

Farage is tapping into a real area of concern around the excessive immigration and (frankly) the lying and misleading actions of politicians of all colours, notably the last Labour lot who said one thing but did the opposite, and supported a policy of unrestricted immigration.

Why, for example, are we allowing inward migration from non EU countries, where there is such a cultural difference e.g . from Pakistan. I am personally not against EU population movements because your average Pole is likely to go to the pub for a drink (in my experience anyway), but your average Afghan, Pakistani or Sudanese is not.

As an anecdote. On Channel 4 news the other day there was a British Citizen in Gaza bemoaning the UK's decision not to allow him to transport his Palestinian family over to his house in where-ever in England. While I felt for his predicament, I had no sympathy. He was (somehow) a British citizen, but his words were translated. Work it out and ask "why"! He's British, but cannot speak English! It's a joke.

Regards

That's part of what I'm saying - Why are we allowing this inward immigration? Perhaps to create a disgruntled society. Then Farage gets in (same way as Hitler got in) and he has the fulcrum to pass harsher laws/policies ultimately controlled by the real people in charge.

But obviously like others you think I am saying Farage is Hitler.

Like others you are following what's in the media - it makes you angry.

Like others you are unable to ask WHY we are seeing what we are. Why has this been chosen by those who are in power to be in the news?

Problem is you are believing everything you see and read. Off you pop, go vote for UKIP (or whoever as I said earlier it ultimately doesn't matter) and look back on this thread in ten years.

a reply to: and14263

I get where you are coming from, but there is no evidence that Farage will implement new laws that constrain the British, or that he'll be authoritarian and undemocratic in his approach. In fact, part of Farage's appeal is that he portrays a level of honesty not often seen anymore in British politics.

Also, be careful not to dismiss the voters. The British people are not sheep, or blind to politics. I don't think there's a danger of the British sleep-walking into a bad situation. If anything, UKIP will help focus the UK establishment on change. For example, we need a decent public debate on Europe and once this is had, I believe that we'll stay in the EU. We also need a decent debate about immigration and the devolution of power from a centralist London. At the moment these discussions are being constrained by a political culture that is too comfortable.

I am not a UKIP supporter, and won't vote UKIP. However, I see the appeal and why this is happening. I welcome it.

Regards

a reply to: paraphi

I hope you're right. I hope it will be a turning point and I appreciate your opinion. I'm pessimistic when it comes to politics and worry that the policies people suggest will aid the country won't happen. But let's see.

As for welcoming UKIP or more specifically 'a change' - maybe it will give the country the kick up the a**e it needs. I hope it does but I fear it won't.

I cant stop laughing, you had a conversation with a couple of MP’s and that’s what you’re basing your opinion on, as well as your own ideological beliefs, of course?

Okay, let me tell you my view which has come from my job and my personal experience, primarily in Greater London, but also across our main cities.

This country is swamped with people, it’s overpopulated and it is totally unsustainable. Our resources are dwindling, there are many who say just build more homes, just build more schools, just build build build....We are an island, if you want to concrete over the whole of it, go ahead, then see the quality of life plummet over night. Humans do not do well in urban environments, because fundamentally, we are not meant to exist in urban environments.

Now, with immigration, there would not be a problem if immigration was of high skilled sought after individuals whose talents are far ahead of our own. We are not experiencing that, here is just a hint at what I am experiencing;

Muslim gangs drugging and raping young girls up and down the country, be haapening for decades.
Somalian gangs gang raping girls in East London.
Vietmanese setting up thousands of drug factories all over London and beyond.
Turkish and Kurdish gangs at war with each other.
Caribbean gangs at war with each other.
Nigerian fraudsters making up the majority of fraud cases.
Romanian thieves ransacking houses.
Romanian kids attacking local kids.
Bulgarian and Latvian gangs thieving.
Rape cases, as well as violent crime, through the roof in or near areas where high immigrant population exist.

The majority of the victims in the above instances are British.

Now add to this that almost every home I go in to is social housing, given to an immigrant(s). Now let me tell you a story fo a family I know, she lost her house a single British mother, her kids had to stay with their drug taking dad and she had to sleep in her car, because the council said there were no properties, you have a car, that’s considered a roof over your head. A British working mother that I know, how many more cases of this are there? Thousands! In Tower Hamlets, a Muslim run council gives priority to Muslim families, while our own live in absolute filth where two bed damp ridden flat with no carpet or flooring, exists a family of 4 or more in many cases.

Now let’s look at the NHS, employ foreign nurses and doctors from undeveloped countries and you get a low quality of service and that is my experience and the experience of nurses and doctors that I know. The NHS again, waiting times through the roof!

Schools, families have to go miles away because the local schools are taking in large amounts of immigrant kids. Schools specialising in disabled kids, have no spaces as major disabilities are rife in Asian families where interbreeding is rife!

Employment, lesser skilled cheap labour instead of our own, keeping wages down and putting many especially in the construction industry struggling for work. IS it greed? No, the immigrants with social housing can afford to work for nothing, they jsut send all the money back home anyway!

Do I need to go on? There is no scam to raise a dictator, this country is on its knees and anyone who doesn’t believe this, come out with me for just a week!

a reply to: SecretFace

You make some extremely valid points. I'm not basing my ideologies on a chat with some MPs, I'm explaining something a 'thought' if you will from a conversation had with the MPs. An intelligent conversation which I wanted to carry on here. Obviously I wouldn't base my opinions on one coversation but if I had to list what my opinions are based on we'd be here all day! I think asserting that you are laughing at my opinion in order to bash it down is indeed a display of a typical closed minded beratment but if that's your style then I'll accept it - that's how you roll.

Your list of immigrant criminal activity - yes these things are happening. I'll do some further research into each one for my own education but for a start the idea of Bulgarian thieving gangs is straight from the front page of The Sun. Vietnamese setting up DRUG FACTORIES - again a phrase straight from the tabloids - a DRUG FACTORY! To be fair I was directly involved with 2 local DRUG FACTORIES, not growing, helping gather information for reporting afterwards. In both cases the Vietnamese men and women had been coerced into running the factory (I can't believe I'm using the tabloid language) by white British gangs. Fact.

Thanks for addressing the main point though regarding a scam to raise a dictator/puppet dictator - most people missed this. Have a star.

Please understand that I am not saying immigration is bad and all immigrants are this kind of negative, but the amount being let in that contribute absolutely nothing other than to drain our resources and to crime stats, is off the chart! Then add to that our own being left by the gutter, its unacceptable, its smashing our front line services and its totally unsustainable. Immigration must be controlled and must be for the benefit and progress of our society as whole, not just for votes (as Labour see it) or for profit (business and commerce support immigration as it drives up profit to keep pay low).

a reply to: SecretFace

Without laughing at me - What would you say SecretFace, that because I am inclined to believe the things you mention have been allowed to happen for a reason I'm paranoid?

a reply to: and14263

No you're wrong, I should know! Drug facotories is the language used in general. Yes the Vietmanese sent over here have been exploited but I have yet to hear of any report with regards to white British being involved, if it happens it is very seldom, you have had experience of 2 factories, I have experience of 100's! This is very organised, they syphon the electricity directly from the street, itself costing millions which is a cost then past on to us the paying consumer, the damage done within the properties is immense. What has always amazed me is that more often than not its social hosuing, rented originally to another immigrant who has then rented it to this mob, he/she then leaves the country, kops the rent, comes back claiming total shock, the property gets refitted by the housing association at considerable cost and then it happens again!

a reply to: and14263

Not at all, perhaps there is a motive behind it, but coming from a couple of MP's means nothing. We are between the devil and the deep blue sea, do we continue to allow our country to be torn apart or act to remedy this? Even if action is to turn to political party that many of us would never have dreamed of turning to. What do you think we should do? We cannot allow this to continue, seriously it is out of control.

a reply to: SecretFace

I live in the London commuter zone and can say that all of that which you said exists and needs stopping, like now, I have said it often and have been called racist for it on ATS, but people need to be proactive, complacency has caused a lot of these issues.

However much these things need fixing and I agree we should have our country back, if whichever party wanted to send them all back, I would probably agree, but I am wary of UKIP.

Just because those issues need fixing doesn't mean the first party that says we will stop immigration, by leaving the EU, appears is worthy of a vote. It might seem like the only other option but in reality it might mean financial ruin for the UK due to all the complications of being part of the EU and the way international politics are.

People should be wary of just voting UKIP because they want immigration sorted. There is credible research from various places that say leaving the EU financially isn't viable, at least for now.

Until there is a party that can address all of the concerns with proper strategy based on real research with viable results I would advise people to really think before voting.

A revolution is in order but making the UK a lone nation apart from the EU trappings might not be the best strategy.

a reply to: SecretFace

I maybe shouldn't have mentioned the MPs. I did because I rarely talk politics and they were there, we had the discussion, I think I've always believed what we spoke about. Same stuff I talk about with friends and family.

If you have experience of 100s of drug factories it would lead me to believe you're a police officer or something? If that is the case then I will genuinely (and I seriously mean it) think long and hard about what you say -first hand experience of the list?

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: nonspecific

Look greenie it's not my job to post things for you so take it as it is or go hug a tree, I'm sure you just being online now is harming a polar bear somewhere with the evil emissions the energy that's powering your pc made.

WHAT??? I ask you to quote any post that I have made that gives you reason for that staement you odd little person.

I will back up my statement by your aviatar and your posts. can you do the same marxist? (yeah i made that last one up)

Maybe read it wrong but it seemed you were a Green Party supporter and claimed by quotes from there hippy manifesto were wrong or out of context but could not be bothered to refute them.

If I am wrong I appoligise for my mistake.

I support no political party but will oppose any exremist views.

In my opinion as to the OP similarities between late 1930's Germany and the United Kingom today yes there are.

1930's Germany. A poor economy and racial hatred towards outiders and also those that have wealth.

Sound familiar? If anyone one wants to form a faction of people that are white and of a similar stature(blue eyes tall stature ect)...

If you hate extremist view then you should hate the green party as much as you do UKIP as they are extreme socialists/environmentalists that would cripple the UK modern way of life.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: nonspecific

Farage doesn't hate outsiders, he hates the open door policy that Labour left us with allowing tens of thousands of eastern Europeans to come and take British jobs and scrounge benefits off the tax payers.

Yet again, the media taking things and twisting them out of context.

Did you find this out from the media?

As above politics is generated via media. Farage is an upperclass twit like all the rest.

Well at least he drinks beer!
I think if Nigel does get in, the police chiefs will frighten him into passing draconian laws to keep the lid on immigration, as I feel that's where the Brits have their main worry.