In the coming war your MREs and bullets are coming from Putin

a reply to: ExSmokerYes
- NORAD has been relocated to a simple office building, removed from Cheyenne Mountain. (second strike operations)
- China and Russia have developed hyper-sonic ICBMs capable of delivering a warhead at mach 10 (US missile defenses only cover speeds up to mach 3)
- China and Russia have designed anti-satellite weaponry capable of taking out "Star Wars".

These 3 developments alone render MAD obsolete.

With hyper-sonic missile tech, NORAD could easily be taken out, with anti-satellite tech "Star Wars" can be easily taken out, without those two launch centers US second strike capability can be dramatically altered. MAD is no longer assured.

Remember

Money = Power.

What happens when money is removed from the equation (economic collapse of global system)?

Power = Power.

The nation that has the power (weapons tech, first strike capability to render enemy second strike operations obsolete) will be the nation that thinks they will be able to mold the future global landscape in their image.

What will nations due when the entire planet's global design (rule the world) is the treasure worth fighting for; who will push the red button first?

God Bless,

What is this fantasy with a US economic collapse. We just went through one and are now in a completely different part of the economic cycle. Growth. And trying to compare the US economy to Russias is pointless. Russia's economy is the size of Californias on a good day. In Russia the Ruble is weak, food prices shooting up, Its credit rating just above junk status, Russia budget is based on oil being at 100+ a barrel, it is at 80 and dropping. So what you say? Well oil is all Russia really has, over half its revenue comes from oil. Russia used to count on weapons sales but, late or never showing up at all deliveries of shoddy equipment has lost them control of even Indias arm market. And yet while all this will hurt Russia it will not lead to complere economic collapse. The US faces nothing like that. So let us put this US economic collapse idea away until it has come basis in reality.

a reply to: MrSpad

Actually MrSpad while I agree with you mostly. A US or global economic collapse is unlikely normally.

But, during the GFC global financial crisis of 2008 the US banking system came very close to collapse. It was only the US government's 7 odd trillion dollar bailout which averted catastrophe. I've seen and read a lot on this and it really was close to a global collapse which we are still feeling the effects of. Some of the biggest and oldest US financial institutions didn't survive like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers. It got to the point where big US banks wouldn't lend to each other and didn't trust each other. And we learned the terms moral hazard and too big to fail. It was the biggest market crash since the great depression.

originally posted by: ElohimJD
a reply to: ExSmokerYes
- NORAD has been relocated to a simple office building, removed from Cheyenne Mountain. (second strike operations)
- China and Russia have developed hyper-sonic ICBMs capable of delivering a warhead at mach 10 (US missile defenses only cover speeds up to mach 3)
- China and Russia have designed anti-satellite weaponry capable of taking out "Star Wars".

These 3 developments alone render MAD obsolete.

With hyper-sonic missile tech, NORAD could easily be taken out, with anti-satellite tech "Star Wars" can be easily taken out, without those two launch centers US second strike capability can be dramatically altered. MAD is no longer assured.

Remember

Money = Power.

What happens when money is removed from the equation (economic collapse of global system)?

Power = Power.

The nation that has the power (weapons tech, first strike capability to render enemy second strike operations obsolete) will be the nation that thinks they will be able to mold the future global landscape in their image.

What will nations due when the entire planet's global design (rule the world) is the treasure worth fighting for; who will push the red button first?

God Bless,

Ok. lets see how to deconstruct your argument.

The US does not have"star wars" to begin with that never came to fruition.

Hypersonic missiles. WE have hypersonic ones deliverable on ICBMs. Now ICBM warheads are ALL HYPERSONIC when they re enter the atmosphere. ALso the us HAS and CAN intercept MIRV warheads travelling as fast as you say since most of them fall in predictable trajectories if they are that fast. They did a live fire test with the same speed once before btw.

NORAD..lol propaganda joke actually. Its been moved out under denver international and its even deeper than it was in cheyenne mt. MOst nukes are not bunker busters.

Also you do know we have a auto matic launch system like the russians correct? If the system does not get a update it will auto launch the remaining weapons. Where do you think the Israelis got the sampson system idea from?

Also do you know the powers that be also control Black triangle aircraft that are able to shut off nukes in silos or launch pads? The western powers will use them in a MAD situation to render their weapons inoperable.

SO keep on dreaming about russia and china kicking ass. They are so far behind its funny when someone comes out with this crap. Arrogant?maybe. True? damn straight.

a reply to: yuppa

Agree with you there. The US and Russia both have massive nuclear weapons arsenals and thousands of thermonuclear warheads. They have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world more than 3 times over. Even if you can intercept and stop some of them there is no way to stop all of them. A large proportion of them will get through and we have MAD. Nuclear war is still complete insanity. And the ICBMs and SLBMs with MIRVs are very hypersonic and can hit their targets in a matter of minutes. It only takes one warhead to level a city and there are thousands of them.

a reply to: mindseye1609

As for a major depression? Has no one ever spent time talking with elders? Like at length about the past?

I does'nt seem like alot of people do. Older cultures respected and revered their elders and looked to them for wisdom. Our society tends to stick them in a nursing home and ignore them. Which is truly a shame. Some of the most insightful conversations I've ever had were with people that were 80 plus years.

Much like an above poster said, all a crash would mean is those ready to work will survive those not ready to work will probably be hurting.

True that. And I am very blessed to live in a place like I do with woods and lakes and people that know each other and look after each other. But still, I really think the next economic "downturn" will make the great depression look like a picnic, and unlike in the 1930's most people (young and old) have absolutely no kind of self sufficiency skills and no idea how to make do with what you have or do without it.

And there are people who want to work but just have no idea how to go about it. I've never understood why you're forced to learn stuff in school that you will never use, (algebra and lots of other stuff that I've forgotten about now) but the things that are important in life are never even addressed. I'm talking things like growing a garden, working on a car, how to wire up a light bulb, etc, etc.

I dunno bud, I wish I was as optimistic as you are but unfortunately I can see a scenario where people are killing each other in the future for things that we constantly throw away today. Hope I am wrong.

a reply to: MrSpad

What is this fantasy with a US economic collapse. We just went through one and are now in a completely different part of the economic cycle. Growth.

Growth? You mean the totally manipulated and contrived unemployment numbers? You do realize that half of all Americans make less than 28,000 a year and to be considered middle class (which a strong economy needs to thrive) you must have at least 1/3 disposable income or about 54,000 a year.

And yet while all this will hurt Russia it will not lead to complere economic collapse. The US faces nothing like that. So let us put this US economic collapse idea away until it has come basis in reality.

History is full of societies that said "It can't happen to us." You may call it paranoia, I think that its really just being aware of the possibilities.

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But initially, in a nasty surprise for policymakers in the EU and the US, the ruble didn’t plunge when US and EU sanctions were being bandied in March in response to the Ukrainian fiasco. The ruble actually rose against the dollar for nearly four embarrassing months.

June 26, the party ended. On that propitious day, the sanctions suddenly began to “bite,” as the media likes to say, and a sharp decline began. In late August, it pierced its record low set in February 2009, during the financial crisis. It continued stair-stepping down from one record low to the next. Since June 26, the ruble has plunged 20.5% against the dollar.

A major reason for the decline: Russians have been selling rubles and buying foreign currencies. A big part of which ends up overseas, beyond the reach of the Russian government. Capital flight may hit $120 billion in 2014, according to government estimates, and more according to others. But some of the foreign currency stays in Russia: bank deposits in euros and dollars have jumped 17% for the first eight months of this year.

As during the financial crisis, Russians are trying to protect their wealth. Somewhat inconveniently, they haven’t yet forgotten the immensely painful lesson that the ruble’s complete post-Soviet annihilation had taught them. As they’re selling rubles and buying foreign currency, the ruble gives in under the pressure.

While the ruble recovered partially after the financial crisis, it lost its footing again in 2011. From early May that year, interrupted by some sharp rallies, it has dropped 36% against the dollar through today.

It puts the recent plunge in perspective. The sanctions and counter-sanctions have an impact, it would seem, but the ruble hasn’t been exactly a hard currency: from July 2008 through today, it lost 45% of its value against the dollar, which itself lost 10% to inflation.

So this month, the Central Bank of Russia has been selling $20 billion of its stash of foreign currency and buying rubles to mop them up and relieve some pressure. But rather than trying to stop or reverse the ruble’s decline, the Central Bank appears to be managing the decline. A sudden crash of the ruble could have chaotic consequences, while an orderly decline in the middle of a currency war might not be the worst fate.

I don't think the sactions are hitting as hard as the news says they are.

Russia's economy is not nearly as good as you paint and the US is far from broek. The US government (not its people) brings in 4 trillion doillars a year. It spends more than it brings in yes, but make no mistaker about it, its making a #load of money. They just need a blanced bugdet and things will be fine. They are in debt but they owe the money to....themselves.

I was having trouble at one point because i made $200,000 a year but i was spending about $220,000 a year. I wasnt broke, i was still making killer money. What i did have to do though was get my spending under control. Got to where i was spending about $175,000 a year while still making $200,000 andthings turned around quickly.

Whats sucks is folks talk about the US economy and compare it to say China and oits not apples to apples. Why? Because China's government has all the money. Not so in the US where the people actually have the money. Who cares if the gov defaults...they dont own everything like they do in communist/socialist countries.

originally posted by: ExSmokerYes
Xtrozero

that is most recent propaganda that Russia will collapse

They have no structural debt, only bond debt to foreign nations which still pales to US bond debt.

They have a 2 trillion dollar economy that is REAL, they have no QE, no owing money to FED

They have 2-3000 tones of gold officially, unofficially more like 5 000 tones. (China now unofficially has whopping 11 000 tons of gold)

US gold supposedly exists in some fort, but not really.

Russia has people who are hardy.

US has people who are weakened with chemtrails and cultural destruction due to unchecked immigration.

Russia has an ally who is very financially strong (China, perhaps you heard has overtaken US economy)

US has the Private Central Bankers of Europe as allies. LOL

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Xtrozero

I'f there is a civil war 2.0 I doubt small arms will be the decideing factor as this ain't 1776 anymore. Drones and attack aircraft would kill most of you before you fired a single shot off......

Civil war...really? about every other country will have one before we do. Russia and China hate each other and you suggest that China would want to kill off its biggest customer...never happen. If anything, China invades Russia for its natural resources just over their border and with a 150 mil to 1.3 bil people ratio I can see that happening. They get all of Russia and keep their 1# consumer.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's true they used to hate each other. I don't know how it is now but I wouldn't be surprised if they are starting to hug it out. We are their number one customer though! We get extra fortune cookies with the #5 Kung pao chicken

originally posted by: ExSmokerYes

US has the Private Central Bankers of Europe as allies. LOL

So who has more money the U.S coalition or the Russians/Chinese?

a reply to: ExSmokerYes

not even US shadow government is truly that stupid to start a thermonuclear swing

Agreed, no gov't is not even NK.

But

I mean sure these guys believe in depopulation and Molech and all that

Why would TPTB wan't depopulation?

Also and not targeted at you ExSmokerYes what is up with this Pro Putin stuff?

a reply to: ExSmokerYes

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a reply to: Cancerwarrior

And that full in well is a possibility but I sure hope not. Idk when or why but one day it hit me. "It's not up to anyone but us to make it better."

Berny madeoff can only get rich if people buy into the greed.

GMO's can only take over if we don't garden locally.

Police can only abuse people who fight back and get away with it. If your the unlucky one just play dead and be the marter if it goes bad. It would be a lot easier to fight police brutality if most of the time the person they were brutal too wasnt trying to grab a gun or stab someone or have a Facebook full of gang references. And in the cases it does happen to an innocent then it would be much easier to prosecute to the fullest.

Together we can turn this society around. It can't happen over night and its not going to be pretty. Lots of concessions will be made BUT BY BOTH SIDES. Together we can build the country that is the model that the rest of the world looks to for guidance on how to be in the 21st century.

Simply put the economic collapse can't happen if the economy keeps on trucking propped up by the good will and the loosening of greed on its people. Like you said... I'm a bit of an optimist as of late and zbigniew brzezinski's new book really helped me feel that way. He blatantly states that its not set in stone that the future is going to be positive but he makes it abundantly clear that its possible that it can be if we get our poop together.. Soo cheers to that!