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In a way, I feel like I'm asking for trouble by posting this video and introducing conversation on these boards as there's been a lot of commentary about feminism.
I want to state for the record that I do not consider myself a feminist. I consider myself a human being with feelings and I'd love to see a frank and open discussion on this subject from that standpoint--one person to another, simply based on their feelings.
This isn't about whether somebody thinks this particular woman is attractive. This is about what is documented in the video and how it's received. I really am hoping that we can have a mature discussion about this. Please don't prove me wrong, lol.
I'm distasteful of most labeling and groupings in general.
Stripping the feminism brand from this thread was to have a heart to heart without interfering predispositions and assumptions. Sorry that you cannot understand the benefits of that. There is more than one way to do battle, Spira.
Again, I obviously didn't make it clear enough, but someone talking to me on a street would be unnerving if I was a man or a woman because of that context--city streets aren't known to be safe. The guy trying to get my attention may be wanting to hit me up for a couple dollars for bus fare, could pull a gun on me and say "hand over your wallet", or could be a total lunatic. It's the context of those city streets that I'm asking for people to view it.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: WhiteAlice
Mine is coming from the perspective and the approach of saying "is it okay to talk to a random stranger on the street in a city?" as it's proposing that nobody would be comfortable with it--regardless of gender.
I agree completely with your first post. I have felt VERY uncomfortable in a similar situation. These guys weren't just being friendly, saying "Hi" or they would have spoken to other strangers on the street. Most of these "greetings" were a sexual solicitation of sorts, many pretty obvious. A person walking down the street is not on display in a zoo for people to comment on.
I have been in that situation and it's very scary. IMO, it's not OK to do what these guys were doing. It's rude and aggressive.
For example, using your preceding post, one of your chief complaints was that women are objectified and that this is something to be disturbed with.
However, I see a whole lot of women who routinely objectify men and so it's hypocritical to complain about the objectification of women by men when there is just as much objectification of men by women. That's hypocrisy.
Does the above views make me a feminist or not? Who knows and frankly, I don't care. I'm just observing human behaviors and pointing out the hypocrisies on both sides. Therefore, I am neither here or there on the subject and thoroughly planted on the in-between. Most of all, what I see as occurring between the two genders from my perspective, is a lot of the same arguments and accusations being hashed out over and over again with little efficacy. We're all grown ups, here (well presumably). You'd think that we could have a decent conversation that rises above finger pointing and instead, shares experiences and perspectives.
...If one doesn't like that, then what does one do about it? Well there are two basic options--