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It's clear the man had a knife in his hands. It's not clear that he intended to use the knife to assault the police.
I see , clearly I may add, that the guy is surrounded by the police, because he is brandishing a knife. THe police do not maintain their line on him, in fact it's obvious in the video they start advancing momentarily on him. The police dog trots up a few feet towards him and he quickly retreats a few steps to get AWAY from the dog. The dog is pulled back, he sees this and walks back to his original position. No charging, no deadly intent.
their nerves got to them and open up on the guy, showing a lack of discipline. A lack of cool under pressure. And maybe a failure in training. You will say No no the training is perfect that's what they are supposed to do. And I believe they were trained to just say F it and open up at the slightest provocation. To me that's bad training. Will it save their lives. Sure. I can shoot people all day posing minimal threats to me and save my skin sure. It will work for me to. I'll never get injured with that mentality either. Unfortunately I have to be an adult and think things through hand use better judgment or I would be in living in a brand new, very secure apartment with my new roommate who I would have to repeat to each night "No Tyrone!!!! I'm Bi-Lin-Gual it doesn't mean what you think it means!!!!!"
Also, lets talk about crappy firearm discipline. They shoot once, twice, the guy drops the knife sticks his hands up doesn't advance. Nope too late kiddo we get to kill you now legally right or wrong. shoot three times, four times, five times. six times. seven times. eight times. He's now a slack sack on the ground. Shoots 9 times. shoots ten times. I would shoot more but I ran out of ammo. That's piss poor firearm discipline. The military doesn't teach it like that. Most gun instructors don't teach it like that. And I could spend a day with a novice at the range and they would leave with better discipline and judgment then that. Rational people in that situation would not have acted like the police did in this instance.. That's why ration people are upset about this incident.
Well tbh that was a little brutal too, could have easily killed him ramming him into that pole.
What was impressive is cops able to take steps backwards away from the guy just walking and not firing.
His actions are not excused, don't get that twisted.
And yes stabbing can be brutal, but I don't use hypothetical situations to justify deaths.
Obviously a cup of coffee is worth more than a homeless persons life in the US wonder how many shots would of been fired if he stole a donut as well.
originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: Sremmos80
Within 21 feet even if your extremely well trained with a firearm someone with only minimal training/drive with a knife has the advantage.
I thought my CPL instructor was high when he explained that but its actually called "the tueller drill" and there's lots of videos of people proving it.
With that said.... This situation has a little background that's getting glossed over. This guy was a regular around town with the police and they had run ins both positive and negative with him many times in the past. It's unclear to me what the immediate reaction to prepare for a negative contact was caused by but I've heard a couple different stories, lots of threats involved basically.
Lessons learned... Sh!t talking carries a lot more weight if your weilding a knife.
Cause the man was mentally unstable and the cops are suppose to be in sound mind so yes they and their actions are going to be held to a higher standard and scrutinized much more then the man that was killed.
Cops are there to put the man in front of a judge so he can answer to his actions, not to kill people over them.
And yes it is entirely hypothetical until the action actually takes place. You can say what if he charged, what if he did this, what if he did that, doesn't mean that was intentions.
No apologies your country cant liberate a can of beans without blowing the living crap out of it first,this guy would of probably survived with Canadian or Australian police.