Lawyer for Fort Kent nurse says she "WON'T" abide by quarantine

a reply to: kaylaluv

I wouldn't even worry about her getting or not getting it. I'm sure people didn't really mean that...they're just reacting badly to her apparent selfishness.

Plus, if she gets it we will never know. She'll be the first to invoke HIPAA.

Because her right to privacy is so important this is all over the web.

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a reply to: texasgirl

Not to derail a rant with details... but the Dr. made those stops on Tuesday while he was still asymptomatic. He returned to the U.S. the previous Friday (asymptomatic, of course). 2 days after he bowled, sipped coffee, ran, etc. he woke-up with a low-grade fever. He immediately reported this to MSF and was immediately admitted. Only 3 people had contact with him while he was possibly symptomatic: his fiancé, and two friends.

But hey, don't let me buzz-kill the trashing. Carry-on.

a reply to: jtma508

Yeah and then he lied.

Here's why states don't trust voluntary Ebola quarantines

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: whatnext21

The people of Ft Whatever started a FB page to get her out of town. Posted this somewhere in this thread yesterday.

ETA: May have been in the other thread on her. Sorry I get confused.

Absolutely brilliant. We should call the colony Ft.Whateva.
Meaning whatever the excuse for ducking you don't duck this.

a reply to: ~Lucidity
"Because her right to privacy is so important this is all over the web."

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Priceless.
Worth a thousand words.

Maine Gov. Paul LePage is seeking legal authority to enforce Ebola quarantine on nurse

Washington Post weighs in. The over 2000 comments alone on this article are pretty eye opening. This is a very heated debate.

Sorry if someone already posted this. I'm just catching up.

a reply to: derfreebie
Sorry...Ft Kent. My brain wasn't in full gear yet

California

California health officials order any recent travelers to the state from an Ebola affected country who have had contact with an infected patient to be quarantined for 21 days - @Reuters

a reply to: drwill

Curious as to what that tag is on the wall or back of the bench seat?

Isn't that a bed on the bottom left? Looks like a purple bedspread to me.

No big deal. just seems like the bed would be more comfortable than the bench seat.

a reply to: MrLimpet

That needs to go in this thread: U.S. Monitoring / Quarantine status updates by State

Good for California.

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: Morningglory
..............Even if they do the clean up, will customers rush back to the ebola bridal shop, E-bowl-a-lanes or ebola cruises etc.? Not sure our biz could survive closing the doors, there would be no assurances we wouldn't lose income/customers. Might be a win for socially starved HCWs but businesses will lose big time.

E-Bowl-A Lanes. What a snappy name for a business!

Being a Brit, i might start making a nice little earner flogging a line of E-bowler hats.

OK, i'll get my coat.

If I behold any vision on Chicago's Miracle Mile resembling
McNee in a neon green brim out comes the old Webley. I die
first, just to prove I'm in earnest. And please get a U2U to True,
his new screw-in studs for the 60mm morning star are delayed.
He should be sufficiently incensed to afford you a free smoothie.
All in fun, this damned thing. What good would it be to not
laugh in the face of Death, with his sense of humor?
Besides, our dance tickets will someday every one be punched.

looks like california is the newest state to require quaruntine.

dated today

SACRAMENTO (CBS SF) — California is requiring a 21-day quarantine for people traveling from Ebola-stricken areas who have had contact with infected patients.
State Announces 21-Day Quarantine For Anyone At Risk Of Ebola; To Be Determined On Case-By-Case Basis

and this was also from the same folks, i'll also post other links this was dated the 27th.

NEW YORK - U.S. health officials are recommending that people who are at highest risk for coming down with Ebola avoid commercial travel or attending large public gatherings, even if they have no symptoms. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued the updated advice to state and local officials on Monday. The CDC guidance comes after the governors of New York and New Jersey announced mandatory quarantines for medical workers returning from three West African countries plagued by the worst Ebola outbreak in world history. Illinois and Maryland have announced quarantines for health workers at high risk for getting the disease, including anyone who's touched an Ebola patient's body fluids without protective gear.suffering an injury from a contaminated needle. Absent that direct contact, simply caring for Ebola patients or traveling in West Africa doesn’t warrant quarantine conditions, the public health agency said.
New Federal Guidelines For Those At Highest Risk Of Contracting Ebola Conflict With State-Issued Rules

here is a CBS report. dated the 27th

NEW YORK - U.S. health officials are recommending that people who are at highest risk for coming down with Ebola avoid commercial travel or attending large public gatherings, even if they have no symptoms. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued the updated advice to state and local officials on Monday. The CDC guidance comes after the governors of New York and New Jersey announced mandatory quarantines for medical workers returning from three West African countries plagued by the worst Ebola outbreak in world history. Illinois and Maryland have announced quarantines for health workers at high risk for getting the disease, including anyone who's touched an Ebola patient's body fluids without protective gear.
CDC issues updated guidelines for high-risk Ebola cases

i tell you what the feds have sure got their heads up their a@@

damn beaten to the draw.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Not to make excuses for the Dr. but the timeline remains the same. He traveled around the city before becoming symptomatic. He was self-monitoring and the morning he detected the fever he reported it. We was also on two commercial flights prior to becoming symptomatic. This is a professional that was working with Ebola first-hand. I'm thinking he is in a better position to know how to manage his own condition better than most.

originally posted by: drwill
a reply to: ~Lucidity
I'd like to know how those guidelines are working, too. In this nurse's case, it appears as if more than
guidelines are supporting her. It appears as if she's the CDC's Ace-in-the-Bola. [As an aside, I'm also having an Ebolism, lol. Might I add that I'm looking forward to the Superbola (a televised game that combines football and a virus), then I shall dine at the Crab Boil-bola (this is an unfortunate food-related event where a self monitoring HCW suddenly develops symptoms at the exact moment she visits a seafood bar at the local restaurant). I will worry that I have accidentally ingested a Colabola, seeing as I may have picked up the wrong glass. Afterward, I will be paranoid about developing a case of Swole-bola (where, upon recovering from the virus, I will experience total body edema). I will try not to develop a case of Faux-bola, since the virus isn't "all that contagious." I'll express my chagrin and encounter a few Troll-bolas.]

I knew there seemed to be too much pepper simmered into
that shrimp and sausage gumbola. Maybe good for a disinfectant
but man talk about explosive symptoms... and they didn't even
throw in the neon green chopped chilis by then.

Seriously, and to the nurse: I've been under the same thing as
house arrest since 1993, with roll out for work and food shopping
on foot. Whatever inconvenience you're experiencing as a result
of common sense being implemented you obviously don't possess:
suck it in princess. You won't birth it on MY watch.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: kaylaluv

I wouldn't even worry about her getting or not getting it. I'm sure people didn't really mean that...they're just reacting badly to her apparent selfishness.

Plus, if she gets it we will never know. She'll be the first to invoke HIPAA.

Because her right to privacy is so important this is all over the web.

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They're really pouring it on aren't they.

That picture is deluxe.

originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: texasgirl



Not to derail a rant with details... but the Dr. made those stops on Tuesday while he was still asymptomatic. He returned to the U.S. the previous Friday (asymptomatic, of course). 2 days after he bowled, sipped coffee, ran, etc. he woke-up with a low-grade fever. He immediately reported this to MSF and was immediately admitted. Only 3 people had contact with him while he was possibly symptomatic: his fiancé, and two friends.



But hey, don't let me buzz-kill the trashing. Carry-on.

NO, he first felt fatigued or sluggish on Tuesday. Then he went out WEDNESDAY NIGHT to bowl, eat, take the subway, etc...

Fatigue is an early symptom of Ebola. By the time they rushed him to Bellevue (the next morning) he had a 103 degree temp, felt nausea and had gastrointestinal symptoms.

He should have stayed home at the first sign of FATIGUE. If you're a doctor who just came back from treating Ebola patients (where several other Doctors Without Borders physicians are contracting Ebola) he should have been cautious and stayed home. Going out to mingle with the town was NOT smart.

But, hey...I'm just trashing.

a reply to: jtma508

Well, his being a healthcare professional and knowing the ramifications of his symptoms should have told him that there were no excuses for lying to health authorities and the police about his whereabouts.

Why did he lie? We can only guess. But it does just go to show that healthcare professionals are in the end only human.

a reply to: texasgirl

Sure he was fatigued (which he reported, BTW). He had just flown from West Africa back the U.S. via Europe. Ever done any international travel? Jet-lag? But all of the protocols rely on the emergence of a fever to indicate potential disease. Not fatigue. Early Thursday morning he reported-in that he had a 100.3 deg temp. And was admitted shortly thereafter. But then you clearly understand the disease far better than someone with an M.D. that has been treating it.

originally posted by: MrLimpet
a reply to: drwill

Curious as to what that tag is on the wall or back of the bench seat?

Isn't that a bed on the bottom left? Looks like a purple bedspread to me.

No big deal. just seems like the bed would be more comfortable than the bench seat.

I don't know. I copied Lucidity's post and photo, hoping it would be seen widely as it speaks volumes. As for the daybed and cozy, floral quilt, well, if this were a Tom Clancy novel, the nurse character had spewed body fluids all over her bedroom and was taking a nap until her boyfriend cleaned up the mess. You know, because she's not "sick," and even if she were, the virus isn't "that contagious."

The real life, "candid" photo needs a caption. "Howdy Doody Takes a Nap." "Feverish." "Chilly Scenes from a Sick Room." "A Loon Sleeps, Perchance to Dream (of greatness and a WH hug)." You game?

Nice paneling, though.

a reply to: jtma508

The problem is how symptomatic or not was he, when claiming that he was feeling ok, to do what he needed to do. That is the problem is here say and my word against yours.

That is dangerous and irresponsible.

Let say I am having low grade fever for a few days, but because I really do not take my temperature like requested and I feel fine, let me go around and keep living my life as usual

That is why we can not trust each other humans to take care of business, we lie, we cheat and we lie some more, after all if I have the right blood type that have the cure for me I would not worry, but hell what happen if I have the one that is not donor available, I am crap out of luck.

originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: texasgirl



Sure he was fatigued (which he reported, BTW). He had just flown from West Africa back the U.S. via Europe. Ever done any international travel? Jet-lag? But all of the protocols rely on the emergence of a fever to indicate potential disease. Not fatigue. Early Thursday morning he reported-in that he had a 100.3 deg temp. And was admitted shortly thereafter. But then you clearly understand the disease far better than someone with an M.D. that has been treating it.

He came back on October 17, a full FOUR DAYS before feeling fatigue. You need to read the earlier reports. His fever was 103, not 100.3. The official press conference changed it to 100.3 and then later said it was 101.3. So which is it?!

I tend to believe the first reports that come from the EMTs, police escorts and the first doctors who admitted him. I'm no doctor but I clearly don't trust what the governor says. They can't even get their story with his temperature straight!