Thomas Jefferson Dealt with Islamic Terrorism Too

Interesting story about how Thomas Jefferson was involved with Islamic "Terrorists" and some similarities and contrasts comparing how Obama is dealing with the "problem".

History is relevant.

The first thing to notice is that Islamic Jihadists in Thomas Jefferson’s time used the same reasons for killing and enslaving people that they do now. It was the Quran then and its the Quran now. Islamic Jihadists didn’t respond well to negotiations then and Islamic Jihadists don’t respond well to negotiations now. The way theses two presidents handle Islamic barbarity shows stark differences.

From ConservativeTribune.com:

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In other words, the Muslim ambassador openly proclaimed that the Qu’ran teaches that Muslims have a duty to wage war against those who have not accepted the authority of Islam (by paying the tribute), enslave the infidels, and if they were killed in the process they would go to heaven. Sound familiar?

Doubtless his experience with the extremist ideology of militant Islam while a diplomat strongly influenced Jefferson’s later decision as president in 1801 to go to war with the Barbary pirates when the Pasha of Tripoli asked for a new, massive sum as tribute. Jefferson refused, and war ensued.
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Compare how Thomas Jefferson Dealt with Islamic Terrorism versus how Barack Obama deals with it

Obama is either "in bed" with them, or he is a total idiot... scratch your heads and do the math...

a reply to: madmac5150

...Or the people who really control the affairs of the government are in bed with them and Obama is just paraded as a scapegoat.

You're comparing the world of 200 years ago with today? Good luck with that. The world is different. America is different. The arena is different.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The same shadow government was in power during the Bush years... why the 180?

Politicians and diapers need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason...

Early "Americans" fought against the British Crown, not "Jihadists".

a reply to: intrptr

The Barbary Pirates were the remnants of the Muslim Caliphate.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: intrptr

The Barbary Pirates were the remnants of the Muslim Caliphate.

Wrong time. They were pretty much done by then.

That was just after Washington showed how to deal with them too -

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. " - Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

How well did Jefferson's approach work??

Through subsequent battles, Tripoli eventually agreed to terms of peace with the United States. Tobias Lear negotiated a second "Treaty of Peace and Amity" with the Pasha Yusuf on June 4, 1805. To the dismay of many Americans, the new settlement included a ransom of $60,000 paid for the release of prisoners from the USS Philadelphia and several U.S. merchant ships. By 1807, Algiers had gone back to taking U.S. ships and seamen hostage.

Perhaps that's not such a great achievement??


of course the US "won" the 2nd Barbary war too - which did finally stop the tribute payments from the US - but het Barbary "question" wasn't solved until a year (1816) later when the UK and Dutch ships bombarded Algiers and secured the release of over 1000 European slaves and repayment of the US ransom!!

Say "Thank you UK and Holland"!

subsequent technological advances meant the European fleets controlled the Med through the 19th century and finished the piracy.

originally posted by: intrepid
You're comparing the world of 200 years ago with today? Good luck with that. The world is different. America is different. The arena is different.

Well to state the obvious.

The world, and Islam is NO DIFFERENT than the time of Jefferson, or the time when Mohammed walked the ME.

originally posted by: intrepid

Wrong time. They were pretty much done by then.

Who was done by then? The Ottoman Empire was raiding shipping from the 1400's forward and the Empire was the result of much of the Muslim conquests following the Crusades.

The Barbary States of North Africa were a directly governed territory of the Turks who encouraged the piracy.

A lot of time has passed, but the Muslims are still using the same Koran.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The British pretty much took care of the Pirates. Last know attack was in the 1830's I think. 200 years ago they weren't much. Much less that what they were. Like I said. Wrong time.

originally posted by: madmac5150
Obama is either "in bed" with them, or he is a total idiot... scratch your heads and do the math...

I say idiot.

Hell since Roosevelt, and every potus since then the US has allied itself with 'good' terrorists.

When proves the old adage.

This nation was designed by genius's only to be ran by idiots.

a reply to: intrepid

Thomas Jefferson was President in the first decade of the 1800's and the Barbary Pirate attacks were what spurred the creation of the United States Navy the previous decade. They were raiding on behalf of the Ottoman Empire, my timeline is supported by historical fact.

a reply to: intrepid

The Barbary threat led directly to the creation of the United States Navy in March 1794. Source

The First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Tripolitan War or the Barbary Coast War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States and the Northwest African Berber Muslim states known collectively as the Barbary States. Source

The native population of the "New World" dealt with Christian "terrorists" who also had a penchant for killing "savages" who didn't convert. Funny how that empire building thing works. I put "terrorists" in quotations because obviously, they weren't "terrorists" anymore than the pirates were "terrorists."

Thanks for the weak propaganda! These guys will jump at any opportunity to name drop Jefferson and accuse the President of being a Muslim Brotherhood Manchurian Candidate.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Big world out there AM. More than America. Check it:

The scope of corsair activity began to diminish in the latter part of the 17th century, as the more powerful European navies started to compel the Barbary States to make peace and cease attacking their shipping. However, the ships and coasts of Christian states without such effective protection continued to suffer until the early 19th century. Following the Napoleonic Wars and the Congress of Vienna in 1814–15, European powers agreed upon the need to suppress the Barbary corsairs entirely and the threat was largely subdued, although occasional incidents continued until finally terminated by the French conquest of Algiers in 1830.

en.wikipedia.org...

By the early 1800's the Pirates weren't what they were.

a reply to: madmac5150

Obama's sponsors are not stupid.
They tell him who to back and what to do.

originally posted by: intrepid

Big world out there AM. More than America.

And the United States was not the world power then what it is now. Once more:

The First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Tripolitan War or the Barbary Coast War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States and the Northwest African Berber Muslim states known collectively as the Barbary States. Source

We were forced to build a Navy to confront the piracy and conduct a four year military engagement to settle on paying tariffs to the Barbary Pirates since we could not completely defeat them. This was before the British and other European powers neutralized them later in the 1800s.