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Pope says evolution doesn't mean there's no God

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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This just in, Creationists are doomed. The Catholic Pope says "God is no wizard, he's still at the heart of all things, because he's the creator of all things."


On Monday, the pope outlined his belief with respect to God and evolution. Speaking to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope Francis insisted that there was no reason to believe that God and evolution were somehow incompatible.

It's just, he suggested, that God came first.

He said, according to Breitbart's translation: "Evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

The pope explained that God "created beings and let them develop in accordance with the internal laws that He has given to each one, so that they could arrive at their fulfillment," according to the translation.

The Catholic Church has long accepted evolution as a valid theory. However, at the heart of its doctrine is the idea that the human soul was created only by God.

Pope says evolution doesn't mean there's no God

I have always believed that God set everything in motion and that evolution is the natural process that took place.

Looks like the bible is going to need to be changed. Makes you wonder if things had been changed in the bible before in order to satisfy a leader of the times.




posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria

That solution to the fact of evolution has been accepted for many many decades by those theist who wish to have a God and science in their lives

Elegant, simple and removes all the problems and conflct in regards to religion and evolution - but will creationist accept that?

Absolutely not (not just because the Pope doesn't speak for all sects of Christianity)

lol



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria

so the catholic church has fallen back to the " god of the gaps " argument



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Sabiduria
This just in, Creationists are doomed. The Catholic Pope says "God is no wizard, he's still at the heart of all things, because he's the creator of all things."


On Monday, the pope outlined his belief with respect to God and evolution. Speaking to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope Francis insisted that there was no reason to believe that God and evolution were somehow incompatible.

It's just, he suggested, that God came first.

He said, according to Breitbart's translation: "Evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

The pope explained that God "created beings and let them develop in accordance with the internal laws that He has given to each one, so that they could arrive at their fulfillment," according to the translation.

The Catholic Church has long accepted evolution as a valid theory. However, at the heart of its doctrine is the idea that the human soul was created only by God.

Pope says evolution doesn't mean there's no God

I have always believed that God set everything in motion and that evolution is the natural process that took place.

Looks like the bible is going to need to be changed. Makes you wonder if things had been changed in the bible before in order to satisfy a leader of the times.


That's been the stance of the Catholics for decades now.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria

I got a feeling this pope will not be long for this earth.
Some just don't want to evolve and will try to silence him.
But I think he is a good guy and yup he is right in what he is saying.
But there are many sects of Christianity and Catholics are only one and many will just ignore him and continue in their ignorance.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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This is like a couple of years ago when the Catholic church, with good foresight, had to back peddle and say that the bible didn't exclude the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. Oh, and when they had to admit that Earth wasn't flat. And when they had to admit Earth wasn't the center of the universe.

Is ancient mythology going to be able to stand up against the exponentially increasing, collective knowledge of how things work in reality?



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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Religion evolves all the time in order to keep people. The rules are always changing so that Religious leaders can do as they please and just change the rules to make it ok .



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria


It's just, he suggested, that God came first.

Really?

If the Universe has always been there, how did anything come "first"?



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape God of gaps?



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: CraftBuilder
This is like a couple of years ago when the Catholic church, with good foresight, had to back peddle and say that the bible didn't exclude the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. Oh, and when they had to admit that Earth wasn't flat. And when they had to admit Earth wasn't the center of the universe.

Is ancient mythology going to be able to stand up against the exponentially increasing, collective knowledge of how things work in reality?


Exactly, and wasn't it a capital crime to say that the earth was not the center of the universe? Like I said, just keep changing the rules to keep the people coming and giving money.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria

This current heretic pope will cause further divide in the Church!
He will probably start ordaining lesbians.

May G_D help His children!



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: Sabiduria
a reply to: ignorant_ape God of gaps?


So, the Pope says evolution doesn't mean there's no God... It doesn't mean there is either.

God of the Gaps



God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence.


I like this pope. But (as others have noted here), it seems as scientific knowledge increases, religions start to change their positions a little as a way to keep their people involved. At some point, religion will be no different from science.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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It's the idea that god is responsible for all the things that science can't explain currently. In other words, science explains what we know and everything else is "god magic".

For example, god was used in the OT to explain natural disasters. Then once we understood that natural disasters are a natural process of the earth's weather conditions, god stopped being used for those events. During the Middle Ages, the Bubonic Plague was considered God's wrath, but now we know how it spreads and can treat it.

The same thing will happen with evolution and life's origins, when we can finally determine how life began, god will no longer be able to be used to explain how life started. You can kind of already make this argument in reference to evolution, since evolution's process is so haphazard that it makes little sense that it was directly influenced by an intelligent designer. For instance, if evolution is a directed process, why hasn't it been directed for humans to lose their wisdom teeth yet? We clearly don't need them anymore, and they create more problems than solve. Yet there they are waiting for our mid-twenties so we can overpay some dentist to remove them.

As you should be able to see, the god of the gaps idea is flawed because it assumes that no new scientific knowledge can be gained on a subject that has been turned over to the domain of god. Yet this concept has been proven wrong throughout history so many times that it's a wonder that this idea can still be used.
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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria

Well when Darwin told the church how things are really done here on this rock!!, church then said no,no god is are Souls within us.

Must of been a good night down the pub that night,,



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Sabiduria

Makes sense-
The CREATOR has GOD sends

GOD sends are higher advanced beings then potential beings needing more evolution time.
GOD sends interact and enhance and advance potential beings needing more time to evolve and so increase evolution speeds.
Potential beings become evolved and may eventually become as GOD sends to other less evolved beings (are there any around humans now?)
and this keeps the process going...

Sounds like a logical observation from the VATICAN


NAMASTE*******
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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

What are you talking about? There is no such thing as more or less evolved. All life is equally evolved for its particular niche. In fact, the only thing that humans do well, is think. Literally any other thing you can name that humans are capable of doing naturally, can be done better by some other life form on the planet.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Humans were evolved mentally and possibly physically as well.
Considering the early human bioorganism prototype may have been androgynous and further needed separated into male and female... ADAM & EVE
Now consider LILUTH being ADAMS first wife when the was in androgynous form and what the plan may have been w/ LILUTH being ANNUNAKI and her & ADAMs offspring.

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: Sabiduria

That solution to the fact of evolution has been accepted for many many decades by those theist who wish to have a God and science in their lives

Elegant, simple and removes all the problems and conflct in regards to religion and evolution - but will creationist accept that?

Absolutely not (not just because the Pope doesn't speak for all sects of Christianity)

lol



elegant perhaps, but not simple. what proof do you have that evolution is by design? it is still god of the gaps.
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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

The first humans weren't androgynous. The sexes were CLEARLY distinct LONG before humans evolved into our forms. Also, why are you bringing up adam, eve, and lilith? That whole account is inconsistent with evolution, since evolution implies that there was a population of proto-humans that evolved into humans. The idea that there was a "first couple" that we could call human is silly. You are mixing theology with science WAY too much and creating weird holes that science already has answers for.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

fair enough subjective analysis Krazyshot...



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