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The "Source" of the "Matrix"

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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Hello,

This is about as speculative as it gets, and in fact like usual, I have no desire
to prove anything. In this post, what I in fact am seeking to accomplish, is to
stand a standard trope on it's head and show that the exact OPPOSITE may
in fact be true, to encourage creative thought.

There has been a LOT of thought about and posting about whether 'we' are
in fact 'trapped in a simulation' or 'matrix'. This is hardly new thought.

There is the classic Brain in a Vat Argument.

Even older of course is Gnosticism which would have us believe
that we are souls trapped in an evil illusion.

Not to be left out, even modern science is taking a variant of this quite seriously: What is the Universe?

and of course our old Buddy Nick Bostrom is often trotted out to 'prove'
that we likely DO 'live in a simulation'.

Now here is where I turn this on it's head 180 degrees. I've been 'researching' (pondering with some experiments)
for some time, that in fact we humans are not 'caught in a matrix', but in a manner of speaking we are the
HARDWARE that RUNS the 'matrix' and it it's other innocent and not so innocent 'programs' (beings) which
are trapped in US. That we are not the 'trappees' but are in fact the 'trappers'. That in fact we are not the
'ghost in the machine' but are in fact the 'machine'.

Now I don't want to get into all the details of my research at this juncture;
I'm really just wishing to spark conversation. I'm not wishing to prove
anything - as it couldn't really be proved.. yet. But I'll start us out with
a couple basic paragraphs first.

Now the sticky wicket that gets people all messed up seems to be
'consciousness'. A LOT of people are hooked on the idea that 'we'
are actually 'pure consciousness', a 'soul', 'spirit', a 'program in a
simulation', etc. When in fact all evidence points to the exact
opposite conclusion.

As literally everyone knows these days, our brains are ounce for ounce,
the most impressive simulators of reality which are known to exist.
Various limited sensory data pours into our three pounds of brain meat,
and from that input of light, sound, etc, whole massive worlds of sensory
integration and imagination are created. As anyone who has studied
neurology knows, our brains create 'our worlds' from almost nothing..
that in fact each person in the world carries around a stupendous mobile
virtual reality chamber.

The Science of Consciousness
Waking and Dreaming Consciousness

Now take 7 billion of us.. and together we 'dream up' society and culture,
if nothing else. Now think of all the other potential copies of us out there
Many World's Interpretation not to mention potential other life
Drake Equation. and you might ponder that all THAT is in fact the
computing platform in which the 'matrix' executes as a program.

As people who read my stuff know, i'm very interested in the subject
of potential 'plasma life forms', Jacques Vallee, John Keel, etc.
Of course I have 50 years of the occult/spirituality/shamanism behind me..
I won't go into that for now. I just want to wave the base concept around
for discussion.

The point is, the idea really fascinates me (and my experience seems
to concur) that in fact what happens is that sometimes at least, more
mobile bits of computer code / plasma life-forms / 'spirits', etc get
enticed by the massive Holosuite (humans in this case) and get 'lost in the
matrix' (lost in us). That in fact this is what Buddha noticed, that this is
the 'terrible secret of mysticsm'; that it's these 'souls' which 'we' want
to 'hang onto' which are the source of much suffering.. the 'matrix'
yearns to be the 'program'; the 'program' yearns to be the 'matrix'.
That we in fact 'trap each other'.

Now I don't really care about life and death and continuation of
consciousness or any of that rot. I personally just like understanding
things which are supposed to be impossible to understand.. then
I'll happily die.. until I'm not dead again.. (Principle of Mediocrity).
I'm personally not trying to prove that we exist in some special way
or will continue.. or that we are some 'god' or 'eternal spirit' or any
of that nonsense. I'm just interested in the nuts and bolts of
things and let the chips lay where they fall.

Discuss?

Kev




posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Think of it that way: since the Universe is partially shaped by our mere presence (the Butterfly Effect), then it necessarily implies that indeed we (all forms of life in the universe) are indeed the source of the current state of the universe. Even the non-existence or existence of a mere atom can change the destiny of this world.

S&F



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:28 AM
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Exceptionally well put and posed to the reader! Thanks for sharing your ideas here...You clearly have a knack for logic and connecting the dots.

If the purpose of life for all organisms could be simply phrased as "to excel, procreate, and expand" (which I understand is a large assumption), then in our infinite universe, how does "it" continue to exist unrivaled by other unknown elements which may serve to compete against it? Is it a living/breathing organism in some as-to-yet unimaginable existence?

I think we've entered a multidimensional thread of discussion here, where there exists plans of unforeseen and intangible forms of "life" and physics at work...Perhaps, as creatures composed of star dust, we have the answers somewhere in our "three pounds of brain meat"
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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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"The point is, the idea really fascinates me (and my experience seems
to concur) that in fact what happens is that sometimes at least, more
mobile bits of computer code / plasma life-forms / 'spirits', etc get
enticed by the massive Holosuite (humans in this case) and get 'lost in the
matrix' (lost in us). That in fact this is what Buddha noticed, that this is
the 'terrible secret of mysticsm'; that it's these 'souls' which 'we' want
to 'hang onto' which are the source of much suffering.. the 'matrix'
yearns to be the 'program'; the 'program' yearns to be the 'matrix'.
That we in fact 'trap each other'."


I am sorry, but I do not quite understand this part. Could you rephrase it somehow, or put come up with a parable or something. That said, i am not opposed to your idea, but I would really like to understand it better.













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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sounds like a plausible hypothesis...
I do however question how then were we Created in order to generate this current perceived reality? Did somebeing/thing place many here to generate?
Further then following your premise we have generated GOD



NAMASTE*******



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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Someone is in need of Grounding.... those flights of fancy are pulling the Nose Ring....

here's a link: www.cs.columbia.edu...


the Nature.... of our little speck of-a-place in the Universe ...positioned in a goldilocks zone of this solar system
with a class M, yellow star, and plenty of water with a moon & tides... is our Matrix

And the Nurture part comes from the external cosmic consciousness which interacts with the collective conscious of humanity is the process of 'growth-evolution"


at least in my worldview
thanks



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There are at least two other recent threads dedicated to this exact same topic. There are lots of interesting thoughts and discussion being presented on the topic recently.

Simulated Universe
What to expect from NON simulated Universe

Perhaps our programmatic code is saying an event is coming up? Seems like a lot of people are interested in this subject lately. It sounds as though you're pointing to us being a collective supercomputer of some sort, performing unknown calculations for an unknown benefactor. This sounds an awful lot like another famous poster who left ATS a while back. He proposed the idea that society is a mirror of another, more advanced human race that utilizes our collective brain power to calculate safe warp drive routes and somehow transfer information across the stars through twins... fringe thinking for sure, but it does get the brain twitching.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I dont get it...

If this is just a 'dream up' of our brains then does the world cease to exist once humans go extinct?



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I like this idea, but the awareness is not the mind. "I" have definitely been outside of the functioning of my brain observing things before, so from experience I would say that at least some of this is already refutable personally to me. The only thing I can suggest to people is to pay attention the next time something traumatic happens. You might notice each frame of reality coming at you in a very jerky fashion with slight pauses between moments. This in my opinion is the awareness stepping beyond the physical limitations of the brain to observe reality frame by frame, beyond the processing frequency of the physical hardware.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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I can accept the concept that our brains are generators of the realities we believe we live. I also suspect a collective is much more powerful than an individual generator and maybe it's being hacked or has a virus.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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I believe this topic could "connect" very well to this one:
The Possibly Horrifying Future of Virtual Reality



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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Hi Kev.

I agree that the Brain is the Hardware interpreting the information that enters it. However it seems to me that the information we interpret is maybe only in our visible spectrum, out of sight out of mind. If, say, an inter dimensional species where to enter our information field with a better understanding of how thing's work, then we would be wide open for manipulation. They could change the information being received by our "three pounds of meat" to their advantage (Maybe they have and Saturn plays a part in this) filling the field with all sorts of crap and leading us down a Hellish path. Using our own Hardware against us would be akin to giving us another mind, more like theirs. The only way i can see out of this would be to transcend the mind, at the end of the day maybe that's what it is all about!



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Once you have it all figured out then what? What challenge would be left to entice you to keep playing the game?



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: QuietSpeech

Sex never stops being good.

Ultimately sexuality and spirituality are
the same thing.

But who ever said anything about stopping
the game? Like that's even possible?

Not even nothing can stop the ceaseless
eruption of something...

There is no preferred state.

Kev



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: Septimus



This sounds an awful lot like another famous poster who left ATS a while back. He proposed the idea that society is a mirror of another, more advanced human race that utilizes our collective brain power to calculate safe warp drive routes and somehow transfer information across the stars through twins... fringe thinking for sure, but it does get the brain twitching.


Does this post/thread still exist here?

If so, can you kindly post a link or PM me if for some reason it involves someone whom shall not be named/discussed/mentioned etc?

Thanks!



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

Breakaway civilizations, black triangle ufos and our dream states being hijacked. Use search or u2u me.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: Septimus

FYI as should be obvious I 100% disagree
with those other threads.

Really the reason I posted this was for several
old friends who have themselves locked into a
'reptilian mindset' which causes them a lot
of suffering.

I just wanted to demonstrate that there are
other ways of thinking about this subject which
does not involve lizards or aliens too ignorant
to develop their own star maps.

Kev



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear




I'm just interested in the nuts and bolts of things and let the chips lay where they fall.


Right there with ya.





we are the HARDWARE that RUNS the 'matrix' and it it's other innocent and not so innocent 'programs' (beings) which are trapped in US. That we are not the 'trappees' but are in fact the 'trappers'.


Can you elaborate on this, I'm not sure I completely follow what you are saying. If we are the trapper than wouldn't we be aware that we are the trappers?

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: Riffrafter
Does this post/thread still exist here?

If so, can you kindly post a link or PM me if for some reason it involves someone whom shall not be named/discussed/mentioned etc?

Thanks!

This topic discusses and has links to all of the members postings. I can't mention his name because well, you know.


a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Those two other threads actually have no mention of lizard men, and are only speculations on whether it's possible we are living in a simulated alien reality. They're actually quite philosophical and I only offered them to provide additional introspection.
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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

I thought someone would mention about
our awareness of being a trapper!

The neurological fact is, that something
like 99% of our brains activity is purely
unconscious.

What we think of as 'consciousness' is
a tiny veneer on a vast mostly
unknowable process.

Not comforting I know.

Kev




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