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Ukraine crisis: Russia to recognise rebel vote in Donetsk and Luhansk

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: Dimithae

simply repeating what has already been debunked does an argument make.




posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Try again please because nothing in your rant made any sense at all.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: victor7

In this world and age, the bric nations seems to be the only freinds we should have.


And even then they dont get along or share the same goals..

good luck with that.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 11:47 PM
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originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: victor7

In this world and age, the bric nations seems to be the only freinds we should have.


BRIC nations pack a good punch and have to recognize that they should do more business with each other. Once economic terms are strong other variables like political understanding and military alliance will follow in tandem.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 01:29 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

How can it be debunked when CNN has it on tape? Now you won't even believe the msms? Should watch the video instead of just trying to say its been debunked.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 05:42 AM
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a reply to: Dimithae

nothing in the CNN transcripts show Soros making claims / taking credit / etc about a "coup" or anything else.


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posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: roth1
At least Russia is not doing what the us does in regions it interferes with. Appoint people for them to vote for. I think the voting there that Ukraine did is fraud anyways. Suppressing those that would vote for Russia.a reply to: Xcathdra



Being Russian forces occupied Ukraine Crimea, removed the elected government and replaced the leaders with self appointed Pro Russia / Russians your comparison is without base.

Why did the rebels prevent people in the South and east from voting in Ukraine's elections?

The fraud occurred in the illegal Crimean referendum and will be followed up with the East / South fraudulent vote.

Do you not remember that the US started this entire Ukraine crisis? Ukraine had a democratically elected President, Viktor Yanukovich. The US spent $5 billion to overthrow the democracy by using NAZI radicals. It is the same script they used in Libya and are trying to use in Syria. It was Jihadists in those two countries. It was NAZIs in Ukraine. When the people in the east decided they would not accept the illegal US puppet government, the Kiev junta launched a campaign of genocide against their own people on the direct orders of the CIA. Donetsk and Lugansk are now independent states. The US colony in Kiev acknowledged this when they decided to have a ceasefire (lost the war). There is no way Ukraine will take Donetsk and Lugansk now. The only question now is if Donetsk will try to take Slaviansk, Kramatorsk, and Mariupol which is still occupied by US forces.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: Adaluncatif

There are no US forces in Ukraine.
There ARE Russian forces in Ukraine.

The US did not overthrow Yanukovych. The legitimate government in Kiev, who were elected in Dec 2012 (an election Russia accepted) removed Yanukovych per the Ukraine Constitution.

Russia has more NAZI's in its Duma than Ukraine has in its Parliament. The nationalistic parties in Ukraine did not receive the required 5% of the vote to have members in parliament. The Ukraine parliament is "Nazi free". The same cannot be said about the Russian Government.

The areas in the East and South of Ukraine were usurped by Russian citizens trying to force the areas out of Ukraine and into Russia.

The rebels failed to adhere to the peace treaty. Russia js failed to adhere to the peace treaty.

By recognizing the illegal votes in South / East Ukraine Russia is completely abandoning the agreement.

As for your claim about genocide -You guys really know how to sling BS while completely and totaling failing to support your claims.


But hey if Russia is going to meddle in Ukraine the more sanctions that are going to come down on them.


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posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Adaluncatif
Do you not remember that the US started this entire Ukraine crisis? Ukraine had a democratically elected President, Viktor Yanukovich. The US spent $5 billion to overthrow the democracy by using NAZI radicals.


Classic. Can I have some of what you are on, because it's another planet entirely.

Have you any evidence from a credible source to indicate what you said has a modicum of truth? Just at what point dod the US become responsible and started employing NAZI radicals.

Regards



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: Cobaltic1978




Chechnya? But it's full of Muslim extremists.


Indeed and Russia does not support Chechnya because of its ties to the Saudi influence of the mujahideen. Don't forget Chechnya has being the one whom has being sending its fighters and child soldiers to Syria since 2011.

The fighters knew there mission.


So is this why Putin invaded them twice and committed war crimes against the civilian population?


Are you serious? excuse me for laughing but has Russia had send out its fulled amour battalion across the borders into Ukraine?
Did they send 20,000 tanks in a blitzkrieg frenzy? as seen in Call of Duty Modern Warfare? lol

Surely by now if Russia did send any Spetsnaz "GREEN MEN" into Ukraine they would already being found and captured.


committed war crimes against the civilian population?
Whom has being bombing not only with artillery but air power against the civilian population in eastern ukraine is it putin or your poroshenko's army?



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: paraphi
People defending the nationalists in Ukraine is quite Classic.





Just at what point dod the US become responsible and started employing NAZI radicals

From the moment when McCain came during the pro EU protest rally and in front of the several leaders of the fascist nationalist leaders.





Have you any evidence from a credible source to indicate what you said has a modicum of truth?

Myself and few others have being posting sources and articles you and your buddies on the other hand have being quite desperate ridiculing them.

Yet when your buddies start kiev post as a source for the sources we arent allowed on questioning its network? kiev post is made by nationalists dont believe me?

I will gladly post that info for ya.
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posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

Here you go.




Nuland:Ukrainian Protesters are just peaceful Protesters.
Nuland:Syrian Protesters are peaceful protesters.
From the Comment section.
So now we know who is destabilizing the Ukraine.



If you believe Nuland and Obama boy on Ukraine then you might as well start believing them on Syria. You cant have it two ways in one narrow street, of believing.

What America is doing to Syria now it is the same thing they are doing Ukraine through by proxy methods.

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posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't think you really want to discuss war crimes do you?

Listing all of the US war crimes perpetuated on the world, won't fit neatly with the rest of your regular and frankly tedious anti-Russian Federation propaganda you 'enthral' us all with on a daily basis.

Are you certain you want to start the war crimes blame / you are more monstrous than we are game?



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




And even then they dont get along or share the same goals..

Do they just because someone from a western power visits BRIC nations that doesnt change there objective. In your world you as the EU as a perfect harmony which is the wrong point of view.

In the western news media they were quite desperate to suggest that Brazil's BRIC status could crumble in wake of election yet now that Dilma Rousseff has won.

Suddenly the news media has gone silenced which is quite ironic. But not the first,



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


George Soros pleasure to have you on
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the same here first on ukraine one of the things that
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many people recognize about you was that you
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during the revolutions have 1989 funded a lotta
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dissident activity civil society groups in eastern europe in poland the czech
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republic
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are you doing similar things in Ukraine well
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I set up a foundation in Ukraine before
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Ukraine became independent offer
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Russia a and the foundation this mean
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functioning ever since and play their
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an important part in events now


As per CNN interview.

Now if you actually watch the video,it makes much more sense than whoever did this transcript.
I have looked on the interest for how many Nazis are in the Russian government, and I can't find anything to support your claim. Please post corroborating data for this.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: Dimithae

again there is nothing in the interview where Soros takes credit for a "coup" or anything else occurring.

As for Nazis in Russian government.

Federal Assembly of Russia

LDPR (political party)

The Political party LDPR (Russian: Политическая партия ЛДПР),[7] formerly the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (Russian: Либерально-Демократическая Партия России – Liberal'no-Demokraticheskaya Partiya Rossii), is a far-right political party in Russia. Since its founding in 1991, it has been led by the charismatic and controversial figure Vladimir Zhirinovsky. Opposing both communism and the "wild" capitalism of the 1990s, the party scored a major success in the 1993 Russian Duma elections, receiving a plurality of votes. In the elections in 2007, the party received 8.14% of the vote, giving it 40 of the 450 seats in the State Duma. In the most recent 2011 elections, they increased their percentage to 11.4%. The party's brand and organization are centered on the personality of its leader Zhirinovsky.

Despite the party's name, it is frequently described as "neither liberal nor democratic."[8] While the party describes itself as centrist and reformist, it is usually regarded as far-right and is identified with Russian ultranationalism, fiscally left national-populism and authoritarian conservatism.[9][10][11] Its ideology is based primarily on Zhirinovsky's ideas of "imperial reconquest" (a "renewed Russian Empire")[12] and authoritarian vision of a 'Greater Russia.'"[11][13]

After the XXV Congress (December 2012), Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is no longer the full name of the party. The new full name of the party is Political party LDPR (Russian: Политическая партия ЛДПР). Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is now the historical name of the party.[7]


They hold 56 seats in the Duma.



Leader
Vladimir Zhirinovsky

Founded
1991[1][2]

Headquarters
Moscow

Ideology
Russian nationalism[3]
Ultranationalism[4]
Neo-imperialism[5][6]
Right-wing populism[3]

Political position
Far-right


Here is the complete CNN transcript for the show.
CNN Transcript
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posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

At some point you are going to have to learn to read entire posts. If for no other reason than the part you responded to was talking about Putin invading Chechnya twice and committing war crimes on the Chechen people.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: MysterX

I don't think you really want to discuss war crimes do you?

Sure we can..




originally posted by: MysterX
Listing all of the US war crimes perpetuated on the world, won't fit neatly with the rest of your regular and frankly tedious anti-Russian Federation propaganda you 'enthral' us all with on a daily basis.


The Us has investigated and charges / tried and convicted members of the Us military found to have committed war crimes.

Russia on the other hand has opened "investigations" into their Chechen war crimes yet nothing has ever occurred.




originally posted by: MysterX
Are you certain you want to start the war crimes blame / you are more monstrous than we are game?


The complete failure of understanding from you is sad. At what point have I ever claimed the US has not committed war crimes? Secondly, and even worse, you somehow are coming across as defending Russian war crimes by trying to compare them to the US.

Are you that incapable of discussing Russian war crimes without trying to turn it into a Putin is good no matter what conversation? Are you that incapable of recognizing the evils that Russia has done?






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posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter

Do they just because someone from a western power visits BRIC nations that doesnt change there objective. In your world you as the EU as a perfect harmony which is the wrong point of view.


Not only would you be wrong, you are once again making claims about me you cannot support. At no pioint have I ever claimed anything remotely close to what you just stated.




originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
In the western news media they were quite desperate to suggest that Brazil's BRIC status could crumble in wake of election yet now that Dilma Rousseff has won.

Because in western media its permissible and legal to discuss political ramifications based on elections and the people involved. This apparently seems to be something of a foreign concept to you.




originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Suddenly the news media has gone silenced which is quite ironic. But not the first,

Actually it hasn't. You just need to know where to look for the information while understanding that western media covers things based on their strategy and not yours.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: MysterX

I don't think you really want to discuss war crimes do you?

Sure we can..




originally posted by: MysterX
Listing all of the US war crimes perpetuated on the world, won't fit neatly with the rest of your regular and frankly tedious anti-Russian Federation propaganda you 'enthral' us all with on a daily basis.


The Us has investigated and charges / tried and convicted members of the Us military found to have committed war crimes.

Russia on the other hand has opened "investigations" into their Chechen war crimes yet nothing has ever occurred.




originally posted by: MysterX
Are you certain you want to start the war crimes blame / you are more monstrous than we are game?


The complete failure of understanding from you is sad. At what point have I ever claimed the US has not committed war crimes? Secondly, and even worse, you somehow are coming across as defending Russian war crimes by trying to compare them to the US.

Are you that incapable of discussing Russian war crimes without trying to turn it into a Putin is good no matter what conversation? Are you that incapable of recognizing the evils that Russia has done?



When you use the term 'war crimes' as a moral stick to beat those you don't like?

Sure i will use that right back atcha...to highlight your blatant hypocrisy more than foolishly attempting to claim that nobody, anywhere else, including Russia has ever committed war crimes, which of course they have done...including my own country Great Britain.

You don't say the US has never committed war crimes, however you also don't acknowledge they exist when you're busy attempting to convince readers of Russian war crimes either...are you that blinkered in your anti-Russian fervour that you cannot recognise the absolute hypocrisy you are showing in your repeated comments about crimes?

You're basically covered in tar and feathers, trying to tar and feather Russia...it is hypocritical in the extreme and frankly very poor propaganda value...frankly, i have come to expect a more highbrow and better crafted level of propaganda from you, considering the amount of practice you get on these boards.

What you're saying here and currently in other similarly themed threads, is like a kid punching another and then complaining to mommy that the other kid has just thumped you one, without of course, telling mommy you also thumped the other kid.

C'mon, you can do better.




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