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Is Fukushima fixable?

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posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: RickinVa

Like life itself, Fukushima is not fixable. Or have you not noticed that there are no genuine fixes in the works?
Like life itself, better go ahead and enjoy yourself to the best of your ability or plod along as before thinking that those issues about your well-being are in good hands.

The insecurities of life sheltered from most of the modern world are coming home to roost with scares such as Fukushima and Ebola and, that old bugaboo, nuclear war. The air reeks of a pending instability around the world trigger by the dawning realization that nothing is as it seems...except maybe the inevitable.




posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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Of course you could dig it out. Heavy equipment. Just use a monster backhoe or something like that and turn the cab into a protective vessel. Put waste into containment units.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck


Can the energy from the reaction be transported away by something other than water? Can they add anything directly to the nuclear material that will dilute it and slow or stop the reaction? Is there anything that would interfere or cancel out the reaction in the melt down, like some electromagnetic energy field? What would happen if they super cooled it, would it explode or slow the reaction? Can they introduce a liquid that will deposit a reaction suppressing substance on the core material? If it gets hotter, can they vent, condense and collect the by products, or will it get hotter until it blows again? Is there any substance that radioactive particles are attracted to and get stuck on for containment? Can the process of radioactive decay be accelerated some how?

They use boron to absorb neutrinos but neutrinos are energetic particles generated by the buried source, not the source itself (the cores are).

The only thing that reduces radioactivity is decay over time. There is no magic bullet. How do you put out an atomic reaction? You don't… you stand back.

Exposed fuel rods need to be cooled in water for decades, thats why they were being stored in the fuel pools after they were taken out of the core during normal operation. They are also highly radioactive and will heat up if not cooled in the fuel pool. The stuff that is all congealed and amassed at the bottom of or below the reactor wells is one big hot mess that can't be properly cooled.

Its a lot like a big mess of lava that is cooling with a crust on it that stays hot for a long time. Lava cools once it leaves the mouth of the volcano. Its source of heat is turned off. The heat in the cores is self generating. Although no longer molten(?) it is still hot, both thermally and radioactively.

Will be for a long time. They must keep pouring water down the well to keep it from reheating so they can't get anywhere near the ones that melted down.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: roth1
Of course you could dig it out. Heavy equipment. Just use a monster backhoe or something like that and turn the cab into a protective vessel. Put waste into containment units.


They successfully did that at Three Mile island. But the melted part was small in comparison and still in the reactor containment vessel. The mass of melted metal at Fukushima is huge weighing multi tons below each of the reactor wells.

"Tugging at it" with a back how is impractical. Chewing away at it like they did at TMI is something they might entertain once it cools down enough. The meltdown at TMI was only partial and still a tedious, labor intensive process.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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Fukushima isn't fixable.

Time to take it back to the store that sold it to them.

War-Mart.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: Psynic
Fukushima isn't fixable.

Time to take it back to the store that sold it to them.

War-Mart.


lol...you got that right.. I hate to deviate from the topic but just maybe...I find it highly ironic that modern nuclear power is the direct descendant of the program designed to develop a weapon to kill as many people as possible. Somehow they were able to convince people that this was a good idea. If it wasn't so tragic it would make a great satirical comedy.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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If there is no way to really fix the problem now, and that seems to be the general opinion then what happens when the next storm or earthquake hits the region?? It seems that this is a no win situation especially for the environment.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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The problem with Fukushima is it's location, as has been posted before. When Chernobyl happened, once several hundred people were fatally irradiated to put out the blaze and make sure the water table wouldn't get contaminated, they just built a huge concrete sarcophagus over it and have pretty much just left it. Even after over 20 years, the danger of Chernobyl is still very present. And that was one reactor.

Luckily with Fukushima, the initial release of radiation wasn't as high Chernobyl, but the gradual contamination of the water table and surrounding marine life could easily top Chernobyl's total affect.

And a lot of people are correct, right now there isn't a viable solution to the problem except to keep dumping water in there and hope it stabilizes. Getting access to certain areas below the containment vessels will probably be possible within a few years, at that point they'll probably have a clearer picture of what they're dealing with, but still no easy solutions.

I'm sure the man that finally comes up with a solution will be very famous very quickly.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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I like this thread. I have often thought about this issue, and concluded that it seems hopeless. It's so messed up. One would like to believe that anything that could be done would already be done. It almost seems like the corporations or governments or whomever would be able to do something about it don't think it's necessary or they just can't do anything else! Scary for the average person to realize that our world and lives are in the hands of those people.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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I have no doubt reactors 1 - 4 are a complete wright off.
It seems the simple thing is cut the flow of contaminated water off from the sea. How about filling the artificial bay in front of the plant with earth, similar to the construction at Kansai International Airport. At least slow the flow and buy some time. Then address capping the reactors. Perhaps pump them full of drill mud and cap with a few thousands yards of concrete each.
Perhaps this is the perfect location for a nuclear grave yard. It looks like this is going to cost the company about 25 square miles of real estate.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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At this point maybe they should get one of those tunnel boring machines that creates the concrete walls. Bore right into a magma chamber and push it all in. Then cap it with concrete.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: TamtammyMacx
At this point maybe they should get one of those tunnel boring machines that creates the concrete walls. Bore right into a magma chamber and push it all in. Then cap it with concrete.


Part of your plan makes sense.

The tunnel boring machine is a good idea.

The Russians tunnelled beneath the reactor at Chernobyl and installed a Boron pad to catch the corium as it descended through the bottom of the reactor building.

A tunnel boring machine might reduce the death toll.

Capping the corium in a concrete cylinder however would create a giant bomb. The cores need to be liquid cooled in a closed circuit system.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: Nickn3

It seems the simple thing is cut the flow of contaminated water off from the sea.



The water is flowing TOWARDS the sea.

Fukushima Daiichi is built on an ancient river bed with an underground aquifer running through the fluvial deposits.

Filling in the harbour wouldn't do a thing.

Finally "capping the reactors" would be the nuclear equivalent of a pipe bomb. The cores need to be cooled and the water circulated through heat exchangers to keep the temperature below 100C.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Ellie Sagan
I like this thread. I have often thought about this issue, and concluded that it seems hopeless. It's so messed up. One would like to believe that anything that could be done would already be done. It almost seems like the corporations or governments or whomever would be able to do something about it don't think it's necessary or they just can't do anything else! Scary for the average person to realize that our world and lives are in the hands of those people.


Or more likely they don't WANT to do anything about it, yet.

The dilution solution, spreading the radioactive isotopes worldwide, is destroying the Pacific ecosystem more and more every day. Three and a half years so far and no idea how to stop it WHATSOEVER. How effective will dilution be in another 5 or 10 years? Maybe dilution has some rationale for a one-time only toxic spill, but the year after year flow of radionuclides into the ocean, UNABATED will eventually destroy all life in the sea and those who feed from it.

Eventually the effect Fukushima has on world population will solve most of our current crises.

Anthropomorphic Global Warming will cease to be a problem, as will peak oil. Famine, overcrowding, and many wars will disappear as the shear numbers of combatants dwindle. The medical industry will be able to provide vastly improved health care to the few remaining survivors.

Real estate will be affordable for all.

I think the designers and manufacturers of Fukushima Daiichi are planning on letting it run it's course for as long as necessary to significantly reduce world population.

As it stands now, 50% of us will develop cancer and many more will have heart disease or strokes. Maybe when that number reaches 75% they'll start to put the brakes on Fukushima or maybe another reactor or two will have to detonate before the goal of a 500,000,000 world population can be expected.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: RickinVa

Short answer, no.

Unless we invent something new.


The insider says the damaged reactors can never be decontaminated and that people should not be moved back into the no-go zone, a 20-kilometre exclusion area around Fukushima.

"I feel it is impossible to fix before my death," he said.

"We just don't have the technology to fix it. It currently doesn't exist. We just can't deal with the melted fuel."

TEPCO declined 7.30's invitation to respond to these allegations.


Fukushima disaster: Plan to send residents home three years after nuclear accident labelled 'irresponsible'

Unless the rumored break-away society has something in it's possession and they decide to share with us, we be doomed to deal with
Fukushima for centuries.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:27 PM
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But we all saw the American Nuclear scientist (played by Brian Cranston) sneak back to his home in the 'Exclusion Zone' and tear off his mask, exclaiming "It's a lie, there's no danger from radiation in the exclusion zone".

Your tax dollars at work.



posted on Oct, 28 2014 @ 10:45 PM
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Fukushima isn't fixable yet...
Though it could have been prevented.
Negligence always costs.
Greed always costs.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: Psynic

That kinda makes sense to me, but.... How would the elite, "they," TPTB, whatever, protect themselves from it if it's global? It is and will continue to be global. That stuff just doesn't disappear.



posted on Oct, 29 2014 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: Ellie Sagan
a reply to: Psynic

That kinda makes sense to me, but.... How would the elite, "they," TPTB, whatever, protect themselves from it if it's global? It is and will continue to be global. That stuff just doesn't disappear.


If you've got enough money, effects can be reduced.

Simply living in the southern hemisphere will extend your life span.

90% of the worlds reactors reactors are north of the equator.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 10:28 AM
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Medical science spends zillions on cancer research.

Meanwhile socialized medicine can't afford to treat people in an effective and timely matter.

SOMEONE is benefitting from all the expense and it hasn't been my friends, family and loved ones.

Are we lab rats expended in the search for a cure that only the elite will be able to afford?
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