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Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required ! More B.S. from our loving IRS

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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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I don't know about you guys but this action by the IRS would have really pissed most of the people I know off big time !

The article form the New York Times has a few stories of legal citizens having their money taken by the IRS .. Why ? Because they deposited, on more than one occasion, less than 10,000USD... More on the war on drugs or just plain thief.. You decide..


ARNOLDS PARK, Iowa — For almost 40 years, Carole Hinders has dished out Mexican specialties at her modest cash-only restaurant. For just as long, she deposited the earnings at a small bank branch a block away — until last year, when two tax agents knocked on her door and informed her that they had seized her checking account, almost $33,000.

The Internal Revenue Service agents did not accuse Ms. Hinders of money laundering or cheating on her taxes — in fact, she has not been charged with any crime. Instead, the money was seized solely because she had deposited less than $10,000 at a time, which they viewed as an attempt to avoid triggering a required government report.

www.nytimes.com...
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 06:23 AM
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I'm not surprised at things like this anymore and haven't been for a while. I expect it. Our government no longer works for us, it exists for itself. The IRS is an over bloated, greedy, useless agency who's only purpose is to squeeze every dime possible from the tax payer.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 06:23 AM
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Army Sgt. Jeff Cortazzo of Arlington, Va., began saving for his daughters’ college costs during the financial crisis, when many banks were failing. He stored cash first in his basement and then in a safe-deposit box. All of the money came from paychecks, he said, but he worried that when he deposited it in a bank, he would be forced to pay taxes on the money again. So he asked the bank teller what to do.

“She said: ‘Oh, that’s easy. You just have to deposit less than $10,000.’”


I think these people just made several 9,999 deposits or something like this that looks suspicious as a way to avoid taxes, which at the end is what this man tried to do, avoid taxes.

But yeah governments
, why they take money, aren't we all innocent until proven guilty?

Not anymore it seems, institutional thievery



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 06:24 AM
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How long has this been going on? Is it recent, or a long-time practice?

I suspect the latter.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 06:55 AM
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It's new in the last 10 years. I work in a drugstore that sells pre-paid debit cards, moneypaks, and money orders. We're supposed to write a SAR (suspicious activity report) on anyone that spends too much money on these things- or even gets close to the per-day-limits.

As soon as I started this job and was trained in that regard, my heart sank to think of all the people the government is going to torture with these 'regulations.'



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 07:09 AM
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Whatever happened to people not being deprived of property without due process? There is no way to look at this as constitutional. That law should be repealed immediately. Any judge that grants a seizure under that law should be charged with treason against the people.

Oh, wait. There's no such thing as treason against the people. Treason can only be committed against the government. Maybe we need to change that. Maybe there should be a definition of treason that includes civil forfeiture and eminent domain.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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Cyprus anybody?

I expect this type of criminal activity to persist unless people actually find a way to abolish the IRS. It's clear that this agency is just an enforcement arm for big government to continue with it's over spending practices.


Time and time again we see that the IRS is one giant mafia structured organization, but we are all forced to cooperate or we will be robbed of our lives with one click of a mouse. Doesn't this scare the # out of enough people to push for re-structuring? The glutton known as government will not be happy until it has squeezed every last cent from people's "cold dead hands"



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

I honestly think if this happened to me...there would be 2 less irs agents.

If you do more than 10000 you are suspicious...if you do less than 10000 you are suspicious...its the same from cops...if you are over friendly you are suspicious...if you appear to be avoiding them you are suspicious.

This is wrong...and something worth fighting for.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Just another reason why the IRS should be abolished.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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You talk about money but its no money and owners of the said fiat paper are at the mercy of the banks that lend it back out to joe public at 99.9% APR whilst paying the saver a mere 0.5-3% for his so called money.

its like the free money they give you when you join a on-line casino where you can never get your hands on this so called cash

Silver or Gold coins is what I call money, Cool stuff from a tap is what i call water and I've never been into virtual monoply money or water myself and when the fiat system crashes due to excessive abuse of CDS then i won't be in a desert without water.

Paying taxes and having no say how the money is being spent is bad but finding out that its building bombs to kill people as they sleep is another thing so avoiding paying the IRS is your duty as a human being in my book



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Just one more cut in the slashing of our Fourth Amendment rights.

You know one of those pesky items tacked on to the U S Constitution. Which was designed to show the limits of the Governments authority.

Ahh, you know the one about "unlawful search and seizure"?

Of course, with the Patriot Act allowing the government to "search", now they are allowed to "sieze" and it is all legal.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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If the government was going to give us a Cyprus haircut, we'd all be bald right now. However, just wait a little while because It won't be long before we all have a chrome dome hairdo.

I've heard of this before, about $10,000 deposits being a red flag. They would figure it out if you had different bank accounts and then made transfers when you needed a bigger chunk than 10-Gs. Basically the bulk of your hard earned money isn't safe in the banks anymore due to policies, hacking and government agencies ready to ambush your accounts. These days, if you want to keep your money, you should find a more secure place than a bank account or safety deposit box, someplace safer is needed.

It seems to me that it would be best to invest in and make money from your own business. So, unless the IRS attacks your physical assets, they will only get the money you claim on your books and send them in April. You need to keep clean books etc., have no unexplainable assets and deal only with people you can trust when it comes to big business deals. Keep your reserves in hard to trace assets like cash and commodities that are spread around your family, friends and associates. Use the bank as a paper trail that never exceeds the ceiling you set in regards to income. Claim a reasonable amount of income, write offs and deductions and send the IRS some money at tax time, even if you are at or under the taxable level.

IMO, it is getting close to the time when we will be forced to do cash only transactions and barter. The time will come when even the most basic products will be top dollar, black market commodities. When you do have to engage in these type of transactions, locate safe public meeting areas like parks, public lands, truck stops, rest areas, car pool parking, etc. and bring two or three people to watch your back while your making these transactions. Keep it out of sight but looking casual and don't deal with contraband that the police would be interested in.


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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: Indigent

All of the money came from paychecks, he said, but he worried that when he deposited it in a bank, he would be forced to pay taxes on the money again. So he asked the bank teller what to do.



I think these people just made several 9,999 deposits or something like this that looks suspicious as a way to avoid taxes, which at the end is what this man tried to do, avoid taxes.

But yeah governments
, why they take money, aren't we all innocent until proven guilty?

Not anymore it seems, institutional thievery


He already paid taxes on the money. I'm sure you don't support double taxation on the same funds. They're stealing peoples money. Obama gave them carte blanc with Obamacare and not prosecuting their illegal practices singling out conservatives. They are a corrupt group of thugs, aka Mafia, all legal of course.



ETA: This blows the theory that the banks only report deposits 10K and over. How would the IRS know that the deposits were $9999.00 or less? Obviously they aren't going after all accounts with large sums of money. Only the ones with suspicious deposits appearing to avoid the 10K reporting. Hmmmmmmm
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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The IRS has become the "goons" for this administration, IMO. Ever since learning that Lois Lerner et al targeted certain groups, I have decided that they are politically motivated and probably corrupt to the core.

Have you ever walked into a large IRS office? Do it sometime. Look around at the bureaucrats that have access to YOUR private financial and personal information. It would not surprise me in the least to know that most of the identity theft we hear about originates from one of these bureaucratic goons.

Sounds like "the Chicago way" to me.
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

I think the IRS is the last agency that should be able to operate on suspicion. I think the IRS should be suspended until a thorough criminal investigation is resolved.

Unless we can use the same standard on the IRS and start seizing their items along with those who work for them.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
I've heard of this before, about $10,000 deposits being a red flag. They would figure it out if you had different bank accounts and then made transfers when you needed a bigger chunk than 10-Gs. Basically the bulk of your hard earned money isn't safe in the banks anymore due to policies, hacking and government agencies ready to ambush your accounts. These days, if you want to keep your money, you should find a more secure place than a bank account or safety deposit box, someplace safer is needed.

It seems to me that it would be best to invest in and make money from your own business. So, unless the IRS attacks your physical assets, they will only get the money you claim on your books and send them in April. You need to keep clean books etc., have no unexplainable assets and deal only with people you can trust when it comes to big business deals. Keep your reserves in hard to trace assets like cash and commodities that are spread around your family, friends and associates. Use the bank as a paper trail that never exceeds the ceiling you set in regards to income. Claim a reasonable amount of income, write offs and deductions and send the IRS some money at tax time, even if you are at or under the taxable level.

IMO, it is getting close to the time when we will be forced to do cash only transactions and barter. The time will come when even the most basic products will be top dollar, black market commodities. When you do have to engage in these type of transactions, locate safe public meeting areas like parks, public lands, truck stops, rest areas, car pool parking, etc. and bring two or three people to watch your back while your making these transactions. Keep it out of sight but looking casual and don't deal with contraband that the police would be interested in.


I agree with all the above, but I wonder, what could the two quoted small business owners have done differently? Buy gold or silver every time instead of making a big deposit at the bank? Buy more non-perishable inventory? Invest it in foreign currency?



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Wont be long till its rolled out in the UK.

These measures piss me off. Really really piss me off.


It like they are purposely trying to target the non 1% and keep us peasants down.

Who are the government or LEO to determine what is a normal transaction and what amounts are "normal"?

If there is NO evidence of a crime and NO conviction then the banks and the government should keep there grubby mitts off our dammed money!



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: 727Sky

I honestly think if this happened to me...there would be 2 less irs agents.



You wont ever see them. They will take it from your account digitally half the country away....
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Well then i can certainly play where's waldo after that



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: crazyewok

Well then i can certainly play where's waldo after that


Those scum bags will be sitting on the 20th floor of a highly secured building with bullet proof glass and surrounded by armed federal agents.

Remember they are the "lords" and you are the lowly surf. And they have a army to to protect them from likes of "us".




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