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Hong Kong has too many poor people to allow direct elections, leader says

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posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Ah but it's those higher population, high crime and poverty precincts are the ones that vote "D".

You have to look at each voting precinct and county results.

look up voting results for 2012 and see.

off topic in this thread.

Don't know about poverty and crime stats for Hong Kong.




posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I shall..but for now I am out. Too much of this Political BS from both sides can get tiring.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

If stealing was understood to always wrong including when a government steals from the rich to give to the poor through Robin Hood socialism including "free" housing, "free" food, and "free" other hand-outs, then Hong Kong leadership wouldn't have to worry about who was voting.

Instead we have a worldwide population that things stealing is wrong sometimes, but other times its to be celebrated like with food stamps where one person is forced against his will upon the threat of imprisonment to pay a tax bill and the other person is handed food with the tax money.

Stealing is taking without asking. Taxation is taking without asking. There's your problem! Unfortunately not enough people on ATS bring up how stealing is always wrong, not just occasionally.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: Tusks

How about a system where mature, experienced, responsible taxpayers who have families make the choices--- and not the young and mostly foolish/propagandized folks, or the people who are demanding handouts, or the people who are so hung up on their sexual perversions that that is the major influence in all their decisions?

The wealth of a society is both cultural and economic. Our culture of Christian responsibility and individual freedom has been hi-jacked by our enemy ---those who currently espouse "multi-culturalism" for every nation save one.

Economically, wealth means an abundance of goods and services produced by citizens, and the full employment that goes with the freedom to produce and retain one's wealth. Unfortunately, many of our welfare folks and Liberals have become convinced that jobs and wealth come from the government.

This is pretty simple, but folks frequently can't accept some things in their mind until it dawns on them--ie, my explanation probably won't help you much.


Damn, we were doing so well until the end there, huh. Ya just had to throw that little dig in there didn't ya. But you included the probably so at least there's hope.

Ok, moving on. So those areas you mentioned. Mature and Experienced for starters. Those should be developed enough by 18 to vote. After all, if you can be sent to fight for your country then you should damn well be able to vote in how it's Governed. A problem in those areas can be solved with education and parenting so it's really a matter of Quality Time Being spent on Youth rather than Quantity of Time. Besides, I've seen plenty of people much older than 21, who pay taxes and are Head of Household that are still complete idiots so there would still be a problem anyway. Also, like it or not, that is the future and if they are going to be able to handle it responsibly, they need to be able to do so as early as possible and regardless of those other criteria.

Blaming Welfare Folk taking handouts is also a bit of a cop out since Wealthy Corporations are taking huge hand outs too, only they're called Subsidies. Big Banks, Corporate Corruption and Crony Capitalism is putting more strain on our Productive Society than the needy. Most of which are simply doing the best they can with what they have to work with, despite all the claims we hear. Sure there are lazy leeches out there too, but the problem is much more complicated than that. After all, it's the 1% who have a controlling share in all resources, not the bottom 99% so if there is some mismanaged or misappropriated wealth or bad financing going on, it's not the fault of those who don't manage any of it or control any of it. The misuse of available funds, jobs and resources is obviously in the hands of those who actually control those areas and they are the ones who need to be looked at for solving those issues.

As for Christian Society and Values being our savior, I'm really just not going to go into that. I'm not saying to remove religion from society since many good things and people come from it, but I have no doubt that secular society is at least equally capable to accomplish a stable and productive society for all to enjoy. Plus, that will only get personal and I would rather not go there at this point.
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posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 11:59 PM
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originally posted by: Tusks

The wealth of a society is both cultural and economic. Our culture of Christian responsibility and individual freedom has been hi-jacked by our enemy ---those who currently espouse "multi-culturalism" for every nation save one.



Was gonna log out then seen these ignorant comment.

What you are basically saying is the white Christians are the who should be allowed to vote. I think your on the wrong site...stormfront is another site all together.

North America was built by immigrants for immigrants.

Say it twice so it can get through...North America..both Canada and USA are not white countries. Not white countries.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

The founding fathers only allowed white, wealthy (landowners), men vote.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onslaught2996

The founding fathers only allowed white, wealthy (landowners), men vote.


And?

Does this make it right? Is this what you want...only white, wealthy (landowners), men to vote?

If so..makes anything else you say moot..because you cannot debate with the ignorant.

To debate those with such views is unfair...due to the lack of intelligence they bring into a debate.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:33 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onslaught2996

The founding fathers only allowed white, wealthy (landowners), men vote.


And?

Does this make it right? Is this what you want...only white, wealthy (landowners), men to vote?

If so..makes anything else you say moot..because you cannot debate with the ignorant.

To debate those with such views is unfair...due to the lack of intelligence they bring into a debate.

You talked about how this nation was built. This nation was built on only rich white people voting. Whether it is good or not is irrelevant, that's what built this nation. It was simply a reply to your "North America was built by immigrants for immigrants."



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onslaught2996

The founding fathers only allowed white, wealthy (landowners), men vote.


And?

Does this make it right? Is this what you want...only white, wealthy (landowners), men to vote?

If so..makes anything else you say moot..because you cannot debate with the ignorant.

To debate those with such views is unfair...due to the lack of intelligence they bring into a debate.

You talked about how this nation was built. This nation was built on only rich white people voting. Whether it is good or not is irrelevant, that's what built this nation. It was simply a reply to your "North America was built by immigrants for immigrants."


Actually...the country was built on the backs of immigrants. The rich white man brought these people here to do the hard work.

Also these "rich white man" also used other poor white men to do their hard work for them.

So yeah..this country was built by the hard work of immigrants..colored and white.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onslaught2996

The founding fathers only allowed white, wealthy (landowners), men vote.


And?

Does this make it right? Is this what you want...only white, wealthy (landowners), men to vote?

If so..makes anything else you say moot..because you cannot debate with the ignorant.

To debate those with such views is unfair...due to the lack of intelligence they bring into a debate.

You talked about how this nation was built. This nation was built on only rich white people voting. Whether it is good or not is irrelevant, that's what built this nation. It was simply a reply to your "North America was built by immigrants for immigrants."


Actually...the country was built on the backs of immigrants. The rich white man brought these people here to do the hard work.

Also these "rich white man" also used other poor white men to do their hard work for them.

So yeah..this country was built by the hard work of immigrants..colored and white.

This is about voting. As far as how America was built, it was built to greatness while only rich white people could vote. You can dislike it all you want, it's a fact though, and facts are still facts even when they are inconvenient for you.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:33 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

This is about voting. As far as how America was built, it was built to greatness while only rich white people could vote. You can dislike it all you want, it's a fact though, and facts are still facts even when they are inconvenient for you.



When was America ever considered great? The slaves, tortured them, used bargaining tools..etc. Not to mention the massacre of my people and inflicted countless deaths do to infected blankets and killing off game. How women were treated.

Th wars amongst yourselves.

Seems when others were allowed to vote...times have gotten better. The forefathers were somewhat intelligence and knew changes would be needed for the future...that was why they put amendments in the constitution,

The ability change certain amendments in order to allow others people of race and women..etc.


A Nation Built for Immigrants Will the recent surge of newcomers tear the U.S. apart? Not if history is any guide: From the beginning, America was made to unite citizens, even those with deep differences.

For those that don't like multiculturalism....blame the forefathers..they started it.By bedding with slave of all races.

They created it by keeping them here,,etc, Not too mention the original land owners..my people...The Native Americans,

Yes this country was built by immigrants for immigrants...if not then why keep allowing them in this country.

I am not talking bout the illegals ones but the ones here legally of all colors.

I'm getting pretty tired..so hope this post makes sense..

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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

This is about voting. As far as how America was built, it was built to greatness while only rich white people could vote. You can dislike it all you want, it's a fact though, and facts are still facts even when they are inconvenient for you.



There you again...this country was built to greatness while only rich white men were allowed to vote.

Are saying you want that?

It is not an irrelevant topic if you keep bringing it up? Are you saying by allowing others to vote..color, women..etc we are ruining this country?

Don;t be a coward..say what you mean...do you want this?

Do you think this great would once again be this Utopian country ( you claim) it once was?



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: CB328

Why you keep postin and runnin bro? I've read some great troll threads by you and then you never post back
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:01 AM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Can you dispute what I said? If not anything you post is not relevant.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:07 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Can you dispute what I said? If not anything you post is not relevant.


I have actually replied.."you said rich white men voting created this country"

I am saying it was not only that..it was the hard work of poor minorities and white people who are part of the effort.

It is relevant to your question. You are dishonest when you say it was only the votes that created this country. Fact is..with out the hard of the laborers..there would be no country to speak of..
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Sorry that is not what I said. Perhaps you should go back and read again, and next time you quote me you need to use the words I actually used, not make it up.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Sorry that is not what I said. Perhaps you should go back and read again, and next time you quote me you need to use the words I actually used, not make it up.





The founding fathers only allowed white, wealthy (landowners), men vote

Post 1 from you ..entire post




America was built to greatness while only rich white people could vote


Snippet of actual post..

I have actually replied.."you said rich white men voting created this country" Sorry left out the word "great".

I am saying it was not only that..it was the hard work of poor minorities and white people who are part of the effort.

It is relevant to your question. You are dishonest when you say it was only the votes from rich white that created this country. Fact is..with out the hard of the laborers..there would be no country to speak of.

So I will change my reply..your insinuating that because rich white man were the only allowed to vote..this was a great country...not that they aren't...this country sucks...got it about right.

Or what are you trying to imply?



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:34 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996
I have actually replied.."you said rich white men voting created this country" Sorry left out the word "great".

Again, show me the quote where I said that. It was never said.

My statement was that the US rose to greatness while only rich white people were allowed to vote. If you believe my statement to be untrue then please tell me what is false.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:40 AM
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It is false...America was never a great country until it decided to abolish slavery, genocide of Native Americans, persucution of other minorities..even white poor people.


So when exactly was it great in your eyes and explain what made it great.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: Onslaught2996
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It is false...America was never a great country until it decided to abolish slavery, genocide of Native Americans, persucution of other minorities..even white poor people.


So when exactly was it great in your eyes and explain what made it great.

If it was not such a great nation why did the minorities flock to America for a better life?

If you choose to think that America did not become a great nation until the 1960's you are a fool, point blank.
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