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MH-17: The Untold Story

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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 09:27 PM
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MH-17: The Untold Story

Yes it`s from RT, but there`s some really interesting stuff in it, worth the watch.

At least the Su-25 theory seems to be way more plausible as I expected it to be.




posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
MH-17: The Untold Story

Yes it`s from RT, but



But what? Like our MSM is any better!

What happened to the proof of a Buk missile that was announced on CNN?

Where's the evidence that caused Obola to PROCLAIM that MH17 was brought down by Russian armed rebels?

Why is there no radar track of a missile or photograph of it's vapour trail?

How could anyone still believe MH17 was brought down by anything other than machine gun fire after seeing the bullet holes in the fuselage DIRECTLY next to the Captains side of the cockpit. Pretty amazing shooting from the ground with a missile, I'd say.

All the claims of the Sukhoi's service ceiling of 7000 meters when in fact it can reach TWICE that altitude!

Clearly this was a failed false flag event at the expense of a plane load of innocent victims.

This crime against humanity was an attempt to DEMONIZE Russia and bring NATO forces into the war on the side of the Ukraine.

Conspiracy and cover-up, FAIL. Done. Next hoax coming right up.





posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: Psynic

The good thing is, I was pointed out to it on our MSM and it is on top of the most read now.

Dutch



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:05 AM
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So the Russian government spent thousands of dollars to do a bullet hole test, released satellite photos of the scene, spoke with experts to confirm it could have been what they claimed.

The US claimed it was a Donetsk BUK, claimed they had perfect evidence and satellite proof, then didnt release it. In fact did they not sign a non-disclosure agreement with the Nederlands and others...?

Sounds an awful lot like John Kerry's 'solid proof' that Assad was behind the chemical weapons...



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:14 AM
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Sad, but not surprising. The west really wants a war it seems, and is willing to go to some extreme lengths to get it. What else is new?



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

On the other hand:


After completing a detailed analysis, Germany's foreign intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), has concluded that pro-Russian rebels were responsible for the crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 on July 19 in eastern Ukraine while on route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

In an Oct. 8 presentation given to members of the parliamentary control committee, the Bundestag body responsible for monitoring the work of German intelligence, BND President Gerhard Schindler provided ample evidence to back up his case, including satellite images and diverse photo evidence. The BND has intelligence indicating that pro-Russian separatists captured a BUK air defense missile system at a Ukrainian military base and fired a missile on July 17 that exploded in direct proximity to the Malaysian aircraft, which had been carrying 298 people.

Unambiguous Findings

Evidence obtained shortly after the accident suggested the aircraft had been shot down by pro-Russian militants. Both the governments of Russia and Ukraine had mutually accused each other of responsibility for the crash. After a Dutch investigative commission reviewed the flight recorder, it avoided placing any blame for the crash. Some 189 residents of the Netherlands perished in the downing of Flight MH17.

BND's Schindler says his agency has come up with unambiguous findings. One is that Ukrainian photos have been manipulated and that there are details indicating this. He also told the panel that Russian claims the missile had been fired by Ukrainian soldiers and that a Ukrainian fighter jet had been flying close to the passenger jet were false.

"It was pro-Russian separatists," Schindler said of the crash, which involved the deaths of four German citizens. A spokesman for the German Federal Prosecutor's Office told SPIEGEL that an investigation has been opened into unknown perpetrators because of the possibility that the crash had been a war crime.


Der Spiegel. [Emphasis mine. --DJW001]

To anticipate your question: Why haven't they released these satellite photos? Because they are classified. There would be no reason not to come up with fake ones, like the fake "radar data" the Russians tried to foist on the world.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:36 AM
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Sad, but not surprising. The west really wants a war it seems, and is willing to go to some extreme lengths to get it. What else is new?


If the West wanted war, believe me, there would be war. But don't worry... if Putin keeps going the way he is, he will get his bluff called.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:48 AM
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CIA pushed for this statment to be released. The statment is not even made by the Germans. They were forced to sign it. That is all they did.

The evidence that proved what happened is been taken from the site and never to be herd of again. The rest is till there on the ground in Ukraine.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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CIA pushed for this statment to be released. The statment is not even made by the Germans. They were forced to sign it. That is all they did.


Where is your evidence for this claim?


The evidence that proved what happened is been taken from the site and never to be herd of again. The rest is till there on the ground in Ukraine.


The rebels had a lot of time to tamper with the evidence. They cut the plane apart and fired machine guns at it.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 07:55 AM
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Just a minor point on your rant. The plane was flying too high for machinegun fire from the ground. Not many fighter jets today are armed with small caliber machineguns these days. The hole in the cockpit housing that I saw were entry holes of various size from shrapnel, none of which were large enough to be machinegun bullet holes that a fighter would carry.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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Yes it`s from RT, but there`s some really interesting stuff in it, worth the watch.



From the same people that brought you this...

khpg.org.ua...




At least the Su-25 theory seems to be way more plausible as I expected it to be.


And again how does a plane that has a ceiling of 23000 ft get that high to shoot a plane down at 33000 ft...it doesn't.

How many times does the SU 25 theory need to be debunked before you understand that am SU 25 doesn't have the capabilities to do that?



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66


CIA pushed for this statment to be released. The statment is not even made by the Germans. They were forced to sign it. That is all they did.


Where is your evidence for this claim?


The evidence that proved what happened is been taken from the site and never to be herd of again. The rest is till there on the ground in Ukraine.


The rebels had a lot of time to tamper with the evidence. They cut the plane apart and fired machine guns at it.


You just have to wait and see. In August NeXT year. You have to remember my post. There is going to be a Public statment about MH17. And it is not going to reviel anything.

MH17 investigation have nothing do about finding actual evidence. Its about deplomacy and it is controlled by the CIA.

Pay attention to the News. It is not even a real News topic.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:11 AM
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The evidence that proved what happened is been taken from the site and never to be herd of again. The rest is till there on the ground in Ukraine.


Thanks to the separatists...





And they let the locals do some foraging for themselves...



All before they allowed any experts near the site.




posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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MH17 investigation have nothing do about finding actual evidence. Its about deplomacy and it is controlled by the CIA.


Amazing the CIA must run the whole world...yet they get in trouble with Germany on spying there.

Good try but do you have any evidence to back your claim the CIA runs the world?

And how about some evidence that the CIA ran the investigation into MH 17.
edit on 26-10-2014 by tsurfer2000h because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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YOu dont know the Whole story behind the images. The rebels actually called the lead investigator for DSB and asked for steps on how to handle the crash site. And was first told to leave it as it was. 3 Days later the DSB shouted at the Pro-Russians for not doing anything to preserve the crach site.

This event is all staged from the very beginning.


edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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MH-17: The Untold Story


More like being the Story that Russian media wants you to believe...their story of events.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:23 AM
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YOu dont know the Whole story behind the images. The rebels actually called the lead investigator for DSB and asked for steps on how to handle the crash site.


Care to provide anything that backs your story up, because I believe you are making that up.




This event is all staged from the very beginning.


Let me guess the CIA did it right?



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BornAgainAlien




MH-17: The Untold Story


More like being the Story that Russian media wants you to believe...their story of events.



Well the west also have a story that they want you to believe. Guess you have to pic your side right?
edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:32 AM
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Well the west also have a story that they want you to believe. Guess you have to pic your side right?


And you know how to discern the difference right...it only takes a bit of research to show that the Russians are scratching at whatever they can to try and blame others.

The biggest hole in their story is the SU 25...hell even the manufacturer says it can't do what the Russians say it can do.

www.sukhoi.org...

The plane cannot do what RT wants you to believe. Sorry facts tell the truth unlike what RT is trying to show.



posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: Psynic

To my earlier post several minutes ago, I should have added that the many dozens of holes in the cockpit could not have been by a machinegun, there were too many. No machinegun could have stayed on target long enough to throw that many bullets into that small of an area, especially since both a/c would have been in motion.



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