My, thread, how you've grown.
Thanks to all who have joined us so far. Time for some replies from me, I think.
reply to thesmokingman
Two minutes since I posted it you have read all 33 (supposedly proven conspiracy theories) and made that determination?
I don't need to read all 33 to make that determination. All I have to do is read one description that shows that the authors can't tell a conspiracy
from a conspiracy theory. The first few descriptions show that clearly — no need to waste my time trawling through the whole rubbish-pile.
reply to cuckooold
Your reply is the best I've read so far (I'm still on the first page as I type this, but I'm reading through the thread). I'm not sure if the talk
you heard qualifies as a conspiracy theory, but at this remove it really isn't possible to tell. Certainly it isn't what I call a conspiracy theory,
though I'm not claiming to have a strict and complete definition.
reply to SkepticOverlord
Gosh, the man himself. I'm honoured.
Unfortunately, Skeptic, your links all appear to be to the same site (I found that out once I replaced the # that the ATS autocensors had snipped out
of the URLs). The links are all to videos (which regrettably I have no time to watch) and the design of the site does not, I have to say, inspire
confidence in the veracity of its contents. So I'm afraid I have to plead a certain, er, scepticism. If you could post documentary evidence from
reliable sources I shall be very glad to take a look at it.
As I say to cuckooold
above, COINTELPRO is a good one, and possibly qualifies. There's some doubt, however, whether people uninvolved in the
action were actually spinning conspiracy theories about it.
The metaconspiracy theory of government surveillance isn't a conspiracy theory at all, since governments of all political stripes are known to spy on
their citizens. It is, under certain circumstances, their duty to do so; surveillance is a regular aspect of law enforcement. The conspiracy theories
are 'explanations' of what it all means or why it's being done; or else they're fantasies about personal surveillance and persecution, generated
by people prone to such delusions.
Regardiing the rest of your claims, some documentation might be helpful in leading me to abandon my 'absurd conclusion'.
I should reiterate that there is a very clear difference (as expounded my miniatus
) between conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Rumors and
leaks — the sort that lead to conspiracies being uncovered — are not conspiracy theories.
reply to NthOther
What, pray tell, will you accept as "evidence"?
More, certainly, than was adduced prima facie
in the Huffington Post
article that was the subject of the thread you quoted.
reply to U4ea82
Why are you still here, if nothing here is true?
Why have you been wasting your time all these years, with such a closed mind? Just to insult and call various members delusional and schizho,
when you have never admitted to a psychiatric expertise or degree? To justify having a closed mind and keeping it that way? For
Mostly for entertainment, although I did offer a somewhat more positive reason in the thread (linked in my OP) that inspired this one. Here it is
The real benefit to humanity from ATS: it's a popular forum where conspiracy theories are debunked, to the benefit of the general public.
Never saw it that way before, did you?
I'm doing my bit for humanity here, me...
reply to: Kandinsky
Thank you for saying kind things, Kandinsky. The examples you cite seem to me either unproven or to fall into the 'conspiracy but not a conspiracy
theory' categories. Though, personally, I'm ready to believe the CIA was dealing coke. It's too good not
to be true.
People faced with accusations of wrongdoing will often describe their accusers as 'conspiracy theories'. But interested parties, such as they are,
cannot be trusted to be accurate about these things. As I've repeated a few times already, leaks and rumours are not the same thing as a conspiracy
theory, even when they are called that by those who wish to discredit them. Hillsborough was discussed on the other thread I referenced, by the way.