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Soldiers set up to ask Rumsfeld embarassing questions

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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 11:34 AM
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This is just coming in from DRUDGE: a reporter set up two soldiers to ask Donald Rumsfeld embarassing questions yesterday. The reporter was apparently upsetthat no reporters would be allowed to ask questions. The reporter was Edward Lee Pitts of the Chatanooga Times:


I just had one of my best days as a journalist today. As luck would have it, our journey North was delayed just long enough see I could attend a visit today here by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. I was told yesterday that only soldiers could ask questions so I brought two of them along with me as my escorts. Before hand we worked on questions to ask Rumsfeld about the appalling lack of armor their vehicles going into combat have. While waiting for the VIP, I went and found the Sgt. in charge of the microphone for the question and answer session and made sure he knew to get my guys out of the crowd.


www.drudgereport.com...

I posted this in another thread but thought it was worth it's own discussion.

EDIT Title typo

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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 11:41 AM
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I haven't seen Drudge quoted since the last Kerry bash. *SIGH* Good times!
Anyway, if Jupiter was aligned with Mars and Drudge actually reported a truthful story, are you saying the questions are not valid, or is not on the minds of the soldiers, sailors, airmen , and marines in Iraq?

According to NY Newsday:



Rumsfeld Query No Shock to Soldier's Wife
By BILL POOVEY
Associated Press Writer

December 8, 2004, 11:23 PM EST

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. -- Regina Wilson wasn't entirely surprised to see her ex-husband, a guardsman bound for Iraq, on television Wednesday challenging Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with a tough question.

"He is always like that," she said. "I don't think he understands the concept of biting one's tongue. It wouldn't matter if it was (President) Bush himself standing there. He would have dissed him the same."

NY Newsday



EDIT: Fixed link.

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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 11:55 AM
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I'm just pointing out that things aren't always what they seem, curme. After all, as people are fond of pointing out to me, "This is a conspiracy site".

Are you upset that this story may be true? It seems that is the case...



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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I love when journalists feel slighted when they're not invited to participate in something.


As to the questions, I don't think the soldiers would have agreed to ask them, if they weren't already something on the minds of the soldiers.

And as to them being "embarrassing questions", let's not forget that Rumsfeld didn't have to field any questions at all. I see it as a good move to answer candid questions from the troops.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm just pointing out that things aren't always what they seem, curme. After all, as people are fond of pointing out to me, "This is a conspiracy site".

Are you upset that this story may be true? It seems that is the case...


I apologize if I appeared to lump you into the group that is not "Denying Ignorance".
I would be upset if the story was true. Since the invasion began, soldiers have been asking these questions (and if you read the transcript, there are some real good ones that weren't reported by the news outlets) and no one listened. They were filed away with "politics" whenever someone tried to ask the tough questions for the soldiers. I'd hate to see these very important issues, get swept away with the left/right, us/against them, mentality. Rumsfield weaseled out of a valid response. I'd hate the questions get washed away, by attacking the source. Then the source would be more important than the issues that are affecting our military members.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 01:04 PM
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The issue here is not the condition of the humvees or other vehicles. Those issues are being discussed in other threads. The issue here is the method used by the reporter to inject his line of questioning into the Secretary's visit. Or whether he should have done it at all. Have any ethics been violated, realizing, of course, that ethics and morality are considered passe' concepts to some.

Other things to thnk about are, how this reporter can expect to be treated in the field now. He is an imbed with the 278th Regimental Combat Team. We have seen the Dan Rather/memogate scandal exposed for less than what it seemed. And a short while ago, there was the case of the soldier who shot the insurgent in the mosque, and the furor that arose over that. When is it that the press can be considered to have crossed over the line?



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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 01:24 PM
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I think the reporter will be treated very well by the troops he travels with.

I have newfound respect for Rumsfield because he took the hot seat.

These are questions that need to be addressed. With companies making money hand over fist on the carnage that is the war in Iraq, they need to step up the armored conversions. It's the least they could do. Pay some overtime to the poor guys on the assembly line. If Bush hasn't eliminated overtime pay yet.

It is bad enough that they have to purchase their own body armor, do not make them manufacture their own armored vehicles down in the motor pool.

Nothing wrong with the reporter helping the soldiers to ensure that hard hitting and pertinent questions get asked.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 01:54 PM
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No, if the story reported by Drudge is "true" ( very unlikely) , I see it as no breech of ethics.
I do see his tenure as an embarassment, forget about the questions. Remember, this is the man who fought tooth &nail to use a 50,000 soldier force initially - his hubris & ignorance has been rampant from the get go.

See the Drudge "exclusive" for what it is: Cover your Azz counter spin by a complicit media for the 24 hr sound byte news cycle. They knew Katie Couric &Chuck Gibson & Soledad OBrien would be clucking their empty little heads about this this morning. A "plausible" denial has always been proffered for anything these guys are involved with.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 02:23 PM
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I agree, I do not think that these soldiers were "forced" to ask these quesitons. I doubt a soldier would bring up a subject that they didn't want to. I love how it is now controversial to ask questions! Even if someone asks you to ask the question, it's still a quesiton, as citizens under this administration's grip, we should be scrutinizing the answers and be even more conspicuous with the policies which have created the situations which birthed these questions.

It is not a bush-bashing/liberal conspiracy to invade public appearances and ask controversial questions! It is these holders of public office neo-cons who are obligated to truthfully answer these "controversial" questions! Unfortunately a truthful answer from a top government official is probably about as likely to occur as the birth of an albino elephant, so I wouldn't worry neo-cons, your guys in office won't risk making themselves look bad with an honest answer any time soon.


-Last time I checked, liberty and freedom were supposed to be free!



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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You see, if the soldiers ask, Instead of Rummy asking congress for the money, doesn't it make a better case for more funding for the War. Gives ift more of a human touch. If there is any conspiracy, it is the fact that it is not politicans asking for protection, it is the soldiers, who politicains can then show dead pics of as a clincher for another 100 billion for war funding and contracts when it goes before Congress.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 03:03 PM
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I encourage as many people as possible to ask "embarrassing" questions of this administration, until the truth is out. It matters not to me whether the questions are put by reporters or military personnel, I have no bias against servicemen.

There are still many many questions that have not been answered to any level of public satisfaction, to do with the failure in national security on 9/11, the reason for lying about foreign incursions into Iraq, the extent of corporate cronyism in war and other profiteering efforts, the true state of the US economy under Bush and any proposed program for recovery... you have the right to ask questions and to receive answers.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 03:06 PM
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a) a long time ago, as some know, there has been a reported shortage of body armor components, with volunteers and parents fundraising to send more to Iraq. This press conference didn't uncover anything new

b) The title of this thread should read "Runsfeld had set up soldiers to fight an embarrasing war in Iraq without adequate protection"



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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Wait a minute, so now people are starting to complain. Liberals who under Clinton wanted Milatary funding slashed are now the ones pissed their children are over tehre and are blaming this administration. If we had sent 120 brand new Humvees at a cost of 57000 each, the current administration would have been charged with frivolous funding. it is a no-win situation now.

Adapt and overcome, and use all neccesary resources. Sounds like smart soldiers....



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 04:06 PM
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esdad71. I understand your point, but there is a big difference between, pork-barrel/frivolous/corporate hand-shaking spending and funding the protection of troops in harms way.

A smart soldier today would be one who chooses not to fight a war for a corporate government, not one who is just trying to survive in this PNAC policy war.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 05:14 PM
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Let's put this past viewing this from a liberal or republican perspective. I think a republican leaning soldier would like suitable armour as much as a liberal one.

It's the whole squeeky wheel thing, unfortunately you have to squeek in front of many cameras in order to get the grease, this has been the case both under liberal and republican administrations, lets just say the soldiers had a good sense of timing to put make their complaints heard....


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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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How long had Bush been publically looking for an excuse to invade? A year? We invaded at our convenience. We had more than enough time to prepare. Rumsfield ignored the military and foreign policy experts urging, and under estimated what it was going to be like in Iraq.

EDIT: Spelling

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posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 05:45 PM
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OK, let me add my two cents,

In our local base is were the armor for the vehicles is assemble, a few months back the assemble line at the base was an around the clock job, and the news were all over the base looking at that assemble line.

Most of the assemblers were military personal aboard the base and civilian workers.

Right now the force has been cut in half and most of the military personal is gone, production was slashed by the government.

Is a private company in Florida that they have offered to work and build armor if the government give them a contract.

So far is not news of increased of force or funding in our base, and neither any contracts in the private sector.

Whit such a generous military budget I imagine that the funds should be available.


By the way my post if base on our local news and not link provided sorry.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
This is just coming in from DRUDGE: a reporter set up two soldiers to ask Donald Rumsfeld embarassing questions yesterday. The reporter was apparently upsetthat no reporters would be allowed to ask questions. The reporter was Edward Lee Pitts of the Chatanooga Times:


That's crazy, i'm from Chattanooga.... go Pitts!!!



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 07:19 PM
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I heard the same thing Drudge reported on CNN Headline News this afternoon. Sounds like damage control.




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