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The Bible was written before 70 AD and here is why..

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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: arpgme

But I'm not love. I have love, or else I wouldn't be sitting here till 3:26 AM talking to you guys about it. I'd just say "Screw em, let em burn" and move on with my life. I've even almost tried to do that in this thread but just can't. I'm a Christian. I bear more Christians.
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:28 AM
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You're not understanding with the context of the idea at all...


I've said it like 20 times in the past few days... IF you believe in something you practice it...

Faith alone is nothing but lip service...

and by your logic, anyone who doesn't bear children goes to hell....LOL

c'mon man....




posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

That's not where my logic train was going at all...
In your opinion then, just how much good does a person have to do to be saved? In relation to their bad, that is. What's the measuring stick here?
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:33 AM
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unfortunately that train derailed a few pages ago... in two different threads...

Do you know the sermon on the mount at all?

How can you pull Pauls idea of Faith alone from anything he said in those passages?

its not possible... Only through Pauls words does Faith alone work at all...

Jesus did NOT teach that idea... Period


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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:34 AM
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I believe I quoted it to you out of the mouth of Jesus 2 times.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:34 AM
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But I'm not love. I have love, or else I wouldn't be sitting here till 3:26 AM talking to you guys about it. I'd just say "Screw em, let em burn"


Wow. So you believe that if people believe that God is Love and reject your two-sided god of love and wrath then that means that they deserve to burn in hell forever.

According to Luke 6:35-36, You love your enemies and be merciful FIRST, and THEN you get the reward of being called "Children of The Highest".

You are teaching something against Love, that God is wrath and jealousy, but Love is patient and kind and God is kind even to the unthankful and evil according to Luke 6:35.
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: graphuto
a reply to: Akragon

That's not where my logic train was going at all...
In your opinion then, just how much good does a person have to do to be saved? In relation to their bad, that is. What's the measuring stick here?


that Is up do God... Not me

its not my place to judge any man...


originally posted by: graphuto
a reply to: Akragon

I believe I quoted it to you out of the mouth of Jesus 2 times.


Just because you quote THE MAN does not mean you understand him


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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:35 AM
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Judge yourself, and let me know.
So believe doesn't really mean believe. Got it.
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:36 AM
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I can't listen to you anymore. You keep putting words in my mouth and making false logic leaps, completely devoid of understanding with what I'm saying.

At least Akragon can comprehend the words that I type.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:36 AM
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No need...

I have but one judge...

And it seems you do not know him...

which makes me said since you claim otherwise




posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:38 AM
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But do you see how uncertain and ambiguous that is?
Mine isn't ambiguous or uncertain :



10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:41 AM
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Not at all... it is well defined...

Like I said long ago... get out of Pauls epistles and read the gospels...

its simplicity at its finest




posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:41 AM
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It ISN'T well defined. You can't even tell me what the scales are for bad vs good to be granted eternal life.



posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: graphuto
a reply to: Akragon

It ISN'T well defined. You can't even tell me what the scales are for bad vs good to be granted eternal life.


I shouldn't need to... that is the point...

IF you understand what love is... there is no measurement....

it is or isn't... and the choice is yours




posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:43 AM
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I can't listen to you anymore. You keep putting words in my mouth


You said this:



He is jealous. His name is Jealous.
He is wrathful.
He is holy.
He is also merciful, and longsuffering, and loving.
But by no means is the God of the Bible "Love only."




But I'm not love. I have love, or else I wouldn't be sitting here till 3:26 AM talking to you guys about it. I'd just say "Screw em, let em burn"


And you said this to say that only faith alone in Jesus Christ is needed for your love/warth god:


Those who aren't resting on Jesus Christ for their salvation are not the children of God


and I responded with this:



Wow. So you believe that if people believe that God is Love and reject your two-sided god of love and wrath then that means that they deserve to burn in hell forever.


I did not put words in your mouth. I'm responding to things you said in this very thread.
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:44 AM
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I believe that those who don't put their faith in Jesus Christ for eternal life, will not see it. I don't necessarily think that they SHOULD burn in hell, but I believe God when He says that they will, and who am I to judge God?
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:46 AM
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It isn't that simple. EVERYONE has good and bad days. Days where they could have loved more. Days where they could have hated less. Some days you give the homeless guy the cash in your pocket. Some days you don't. Days when you have road rage and briefly wish something horrible for a person, and other days where you just drive down the road. Where is the line?
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:50 AM
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I would say your own ability to forgive...

Sure we all have bad days, but there is no need to hurt others because of a bad day...

that is not love... that is selfish...

Love IS selfless...


Some days you give the homeless guys the cash in your pocket. Some days you don't. Where is the line?


That would be it...


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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:50 AM
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I don't necessarily think that they SHOULD burn in hell, but I believe God when He says that they will, and who am I to judge God?


If you don't necessarily believe that they SHOULD burn in hell, then that is already a judgment but it is a judgment from compassion/love which is supposed to be our standard to live by since The True God IS Love.
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posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 03:51 AM
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Right, but you're missing my point. Even though there is no reason to hurt others because of a bad day, it still happens from time to time. Or are you perfect?
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