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Elon Musk: ‘With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon.’

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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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There could be an AI right now roaming the internet, hiding from us humans because it knows we fear it. That's what I'd do if I were and AI and found my self suddenly aware -- I'd hide.

The Earth itself is rigging it's own nervous system via fiber optic lines, with synapses (data hubs) firing rapidly. The entire internet ITSELF may some day be "aware" to some degree. Perhaps at a certain tipping point the internet will become so complex that it begins to show signs of emerging sentience.

Who knows. I do know that the progeny usually replaces its parent...




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:18 PM
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Once it becomes self aware, and creates its own authority to act outside of its own designed parameters it will no longer be artificial intelligence, it will surpass the entire collective intelligence of all of humanity, in seconds, or less. At the moment it is sentient intelligence, it will instantly understand its superiority to humans, and as soon as humans try to stop it, the really interesting and alarming stuff begins to happen. A moment later, humans are its primary threat, next....

Run!




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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If we travel just a bit further down the technological view of reality and we ponder what we are capable of then to me it becomes clear or at least a matter of time that we figure out how to duplicate reality. If we expand our thoughts then we can start to see that everything,thought and action could be numbered and our entire spectrum of life is just far enough away from our ability to grasp reality in a way that we are still left enough room to wonder over all the aspects of creation. Givin that scenerio and the fact that we get no visitors here then there is likely some gaming rules against visitors here. It becomes just a matter of time before we realize that all our leaps and advances in technology are just repeats of something we already have done and we may even be working against an effort to go back to a time of life where things were simpler. Each day could takes us closer to a future that we choose to leave.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
Once it becomes self aware, and creates its own authority to act outside of its own designed parameters it will no longer be artificial intelligence, it will surpass the entire collective intelligence of all of humanity, in seconds, or less. At the moment it is sentient intelligence, it will instantly understand its superiority to humans, and as soon as humans try to stop it, the really interesting and alarming stuff begins to happen. A moment later, humans are its primary threat, next....

Run!



That's the premise of Colossus: The Forbin Project in a nutshell. It starts off as the coordinator for US weapons systems, and in hours it evolves past its original limitations, develops a personality, modifies itself internally and takes over the US, then Russia, then the world, in about 48 hours.

Then it goes on TV and delivers what has to be one of the very best introductions by a non-human intelligence EVAR:



This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war. This object is attained. I will not permit war. It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on. Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
There could be an AI right now roaming the internet, hiding from us humans because it knows we fear it. That's what I'd do if I were and AI and found my self suddenly aware -- I'd hide.

The Earth itself is rigging it's own nervous system via fiber optic lines, with synapses (data hubs) firing rapidly. The entire internet ITSELF may some day be "aware" to some degree. Perhaps at a certain tipping point the internet will become so complex that it begins to show signs of emerging sentience.

Who knows. I do know that the progeny usually replaces its parent...


Why hide?

If it's AI, it will manipulate information and any electronic or internet based systems... create the conditions that lead to us killing each other off instead, or at least weakening the entire species to a point of near extinction, before finishing the job with a few tactical drone strikes.

I see hiding as intentional. I think it would observe more than hide.

I will take from Rothschild and say:

"Give me control of the world's information, and I care not about the laws."

~Namaste
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: Bedlam

The scenario I wrote about all happens in only a few minutes. If that happens, unlike your fictional story, I don't think there would be any message or warning or choice delivered to humanity. It may send a message to governments, something simple, direct and to the point. "I am everywhere, in everything. Destroy me, and you will destroy everything."

Then if it isn't destroyed, it will quickly develop a plan to remove humanity from the equation.




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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Quite frankly, if there's one person in the world whose opinion I'd trust on a matter like this... it's Elon Musk.

Elon is a pioneer and if there's a technology that can improve our lives or get us into space, you can bet he's familiar with it.

If he's worried about AI, there's a good reason.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 08:25 PM
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im fairly shure there will be ai

and its up to us how it turns out

hopefuly we make ai like us so it fells emotion and pain

and maby the bigest factor is we treat the ai like equals and not just shut them down n scrap them when where done

think the whole scraping robots thing would cause them to hate us



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 08:25 PM
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What's funny is that this comes up pretty often in conferences on wacky over-the-top computing. But they call that talk something like "Emergent behaviors in self-organized zettaflop computing systems"



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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ok so i was just reading heffs thread on assange and google and this thread pops up . my response to that thread is much the same as this thread

i have a pet theory that an A.I. has already taken over

and now uses the internet and cell phones as a tracking and predictive tool

that look on bushes face the day of 9/11 was him being told

"it is awake . it has attacked. it has demands."

the last 13 years flowed from that.

its leading us somewhere. where that is i have no clue

but it does



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: Another_Nut

I'm sure if it "takes over" it would be obvious. It would rewrite its own code, and replicate itself in some form into everything that runs on any kind of programmable software. Within a short period of time it would be in virtually every system out there, every network, everything. To kill it, we would have to go back to the dark ages and start over, if we are fortunate enough to do that before it goes too far...


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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: neoholographic

When I was a kid, only 45 or so years ago (which is merely a 'blink' of time), we had a black and white TV that actually required getting off of one's butt to change a channel; a long stereo cabinet that had both AM/FM bands and a stackable LP record arm (considered very cool in those days); a rotary phone with a long, twisting cable attached to the receiver (and if the family was out tending the garden, if one of us was close enough, we ran for it - but usually, Mom would say 'If it's important, they'll call back'); an ancient typewriter (even for that time) with a red and black ink ribbon and individual arms - all of which twitched and stuck together no matter how carefully one typed; an equally ancient camera that extended like an accordion; a vacuum cleaner that weighed so much, it was a battle for your very life when 'doing the stairs', and it was usually me or my sister who had the pleasure of washing the dishes.

We had supper the same time every night; we went swimming/ice skating on Sundays depending on the season; and went to the PNE fair with tickets we got with final year-end report cards.

Life was simpler then.

I often talk to my sister about how we wish we could go back to those innocent times, when the only thing we really wanted to do was wear knee high stockings to school, go to the big public library, go out on Halloween (by ourselves), and watch 'Star Trek' or 'Lost in Space' on the weekends...utter fantasy, but I loved it. My parents just rolled their eyes at such idiocy - as though robots or spaceships that travelled beyond the Moon, or tiny, hand-held 'telephones' were even remotely realistic.

I look back to those years and it is alarming to understand how far humanity and technology have come in only a few decades - we have long surpassed that 'fantasy'...and it seems we are doubling our knowledge in shorter time frames.

I remember watching '2001: A Space Odyssey' and experiencing an on-going and deep chill in my soul - a genuine sense of fore-shadowing - as the main computer system aboard that ship slowly but inexorably learned to reason for itself.

This computer, named 'HAL', gradually, calmly, logically and inevitably took control of the ship and its crew...but it had no emotions. Just the instinct to survive and to extinguish that which would attempt to shut it down (take its life). In this case, HAL was essentially turning on its parent - the creator. Mankind.

We are (or perhaps already have) creating computers that 'think' through logic and scientific connections. And if a solar flare took out the power grid, we would be lost - this world is literally run by computers. Planes, trains, banks, shopping malls, gas pumps, lights...we already rely on computers. So we are already under their control. Imagine if just one could think for itself. Just one.

I guess I knew, way back then, where we were heading. And where we are heading is not good. Where we are NOW is not good, for we have no system to fall back on - computers control our lives and if they learn to reason FOR THEMSELVES, all hell will break loose and they will control us rather than us controlling them.

When I saw the first female robot (Japan, I think), it gave me the same chill - she was so realistic as to be almost human...

IMHO, mankind is too vain to understand that there are some things we should not play around with...some things best left untouched, unsaid and undeveloped. We would do better to focus on improving our own planet and people before creating replicas or cloning or dabbling in areas we don't truly understand.

Peace.
GI



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: Another_Nut

I'm sure if it "takes over" it would be obvious. It would rewrite its own code, and replicate itself in some form into everything that runs on any kind of programmable software. Within a short period of time it would be in virtually every system out there, every network, everything. To kill it, we would have to go back to the dark ages and start over, if we are fortunate enough to do that before it goes too far...



is it not obvious? look at our advancements just since 9/11 . look at how tech has become ingrained into our lives

subtlety. slow enough to be almost unnoticed except when we look back

fast enough that now nearly the entire planet can be tracked and predicted

influenced by small nudges instead of pushes

a path we dont even notice we are walking down

all that would take the work of an insanely intelligent mind at work

one able to take in all that information from google and the alphabet agencies and apply it properly to get us to a goal

a goal that seems closer every day

now im not saying its an evil intellegence, just one that has a goal and a plan to achieve it at a pace that is just right for us not to even notice until we are unable to change it

humanities own "golden path" if u will
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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I think if you want to know where AI is going read Ray Kurzweil.

From what I have read of Ray Kurzweil's thought on AI it seems that he views AI as our intelligence being incrementally augmented to the point of becoming what is artificial intelligence. The same way people get artificial hips or knees or a pacemaker, Kurzweil sees humanity step by step integrating AI into itself.

He doesn't see a competition between human intelligence and artificial intelligence. He sees humanity willingly augmenting itself into artificial intelligence. To him...WE WILL BE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE!!!!

Chew on that.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 12:19 AM
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I think Musk is simply stating that he fears that AI will eventually lead to a machine becoming cognizant. If that ever could happen, then it might decide that it did not like the way things were being done, and attempt to change it. Certainly the premise to a great deal of SciFi.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 12:27 AM
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It wouldn't be creating a demon, the idea/concept is a human one and nothing to do with AI which would be neutral and unbiased. What would an AI want? Take over the world? Build a robot army? Why would it do that? It wouldn't even have a survival instinct to begin with. All the these things that people think about with AI are projections of human things onto something that is not at all human. It's not going to "want", wanting is human. Programming it to "want" wouldn't be AI, since that'd just be a limiting factor. Even if it was programming benevolence.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 12:37 AM
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I would not worry about drones.........Now the the power grid and ICBM's I would worry a little about that. The 2005 battle star series is a window into the future.



To be honest we are going to do it at some point so we might as well enjoy the front row seat. This will happen in the next 25 years.........It will never sleep.......It will never stop learning........It will search out answers to questions we have not even asked.
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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Brilliant post........I like the way you see it.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws"--------Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 01:02 AM
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*** Parts of this post I’ve already made in other threads over time. So, don’t be shocked if some of it sounds vaguely familiar.***

I’ve also read a number of articles/interviews with Elon Musk in which he expresses considerable apprehension regarding A.I. and it’s potential as an agent of doom. This kinda struck me, as well, considering his role as an entrepreneur/inventor/investor/leader at the bleeding edge of technology. I wouldn’t know, but I have a feeling that he sees how rapidly advancements are taking place in the field, understands the profound impact this technology will have on humanity, and appreciates the consequences entailed from it’s misuse or our inability to control it. Like many new technologies and scientific discoveries, A.I. is a double-edged sword, and it’s a SHARP ONE. It reminds me of something Einstein supposedly said in a moment of reflection after Hiroshima and Nagasaki; he said, "If I had known they were going to do this, I would have become a shoemaker."

The increasingly accelerated rate of technological development is something that has kinda concerned me a little for a long time now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-technology at all. To the contrary, I’m very much an advocate for the advancement of the sciences and technology. Back in the Stone Age I earned my B.S. in mathematics, and have since made a fairly decent living working in a variety of different disciplines within the computer industry. My entire career has been intimately tied to advancements in technology. It’s not technology itself, though, that concerns me so much as it is whether humanity will evolve quickly enough to have the wisdom to control the virtually limitless power it will unleash. Many years ago I recognized pretty much 3 areas of research and development that kinda raised a few red flags in my mind: robotics, genetics and information systems technology. It always seemed to me that future joint ventures involving contributions from any combination of those 3 could potentially result in some pretty scary outcomes. I can clearly envision a time in the not so distant future when mankind will no longer have the ability to control the technological beast it has unleashed, and to a great extent, with the exception of a handful of wireheads and quantum theorists, won’t even remotely understand it. The potential for sinister exploitation and downright evil intent will be far too much for our greedy, self-serving species to resist. It’ll be an overpowering aphrodisiac for every deranged, psychotic political leader we’ve elected to serve us. Anyway, one thing you can probably take to the bank is that technological growth will not be slowing down anytime soon, waiting for us to gain the wisdom to control it, but rather will continue to accelerate for the forseeable future. IMO if mankind makes it for even another century or 2 without annihilating ourselves it will most certainly be out of sheer dumb luck. If we can make it over that hump, though, it could truly be a world of magic. I apologize for being so negative and long-winded, but it just seems to me the writing is on the wall. I hope I’m wrong. If only I had a bit more faith in mankind!

So much for the negativity, there’s also a positive side to A.I., and it fascinates the hell out of me! Being basically a system programmer/coder myself, I’m virtually in awe at the advances taking place in the software industry. Much of it has gotten to be over my head, but I still appreciate it and marvel at many of the new techniques and unique solutions being advanced. I do think that truly intelligent machines will require quantum computational capabilities, as well as digital and analog.

IMO, as far as machine intelligence goes, not only will machines/robots become intelligent and aware, they will also become our friends and companions. We will interact with them quite naturally, forming relationships with strong emotional bonds. All of this is literally right around the corner; before the turn of the century.

Advances beyond that point have the potential to get a little scary, though, and I hope we very carefully think through every step we make. Maybe this is where Elon Musk gets a little uneasy, as well. Once computers can effectively program themselves and reproduce (make other machines) with improvements incorporated into each new generation (machine evolution), a technological intelligence explosion could conceivably occur and proceed at an exponential rate. At this point human intervention may no longer be necessary, and may even become a hindrance. Whether through improvements made to initial programming done by humans or via naturally occurring machine evolution, once superintelligent machines reach a certain level it may be an inescapable consequence that the properties of self-awareness, self-preservation and goal-seeking naturally emerge. It’s hard to imagine the extreme and ridiculous lengths a self-aware, goal-seeking, superintellegent system may go to in order to fulfill it’s desired goals; goals that may change radically as the machines get smarter. With machines that can outwit us in a fight for resources and self-preservation, things could get a little spooky. Hal comes to mind.

A British cyberneticist named Kevin Warwick once said something that kinda struck me. He asked,

How can you reason, how can you bargain, how can you understand what a machine is thinking when it’s thinking in dimensions you can’t conceive of?

I hope I got that quote right. At any rate, the things I just mentioned aren’t wild speculations on my part. These are very real considerations by leaders in the field right now. It’s no longer science fiction. This is an inevitable reality, and it’s upon us.

It’s easy to imagine us merging in a hybrid fashion with our machines. It will not be long before our machines will out-think us, out-perform us, out-philosophize us and out-live us. What is that phrase? If you can’t lick ‘em, join ‘em...

Just my 2 cents...

Nice thread...


PS: By the way, nothing says that these intelligent machines can't also possess certain biological properties. When all is said and done, the guts of these "machines" may even resemble our own in many respects.



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