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Putin: USA 'shaped the world' according to its interests

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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: khnum

The only blame lies with putin. They, Russia, are in the situation they are in because of putins invasion of Ukraine. Russian economic woes lie at Putins doorstep. Trying to blame others for Russian actions is something Putin has done since day 1 of sanctions.

Putin wagered Germany would not go along with sanctions - that blew up in his face. instead of backing off he pressed forward, bound and determined to show the west just how big his ovaries are.




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

No sorry there is an economic war going on behind the scenes involving currencies and bonds and the boys at Wall and Broad are only to happy to destroy markets and economies that dont tow the line,and in extreme cases like Iraq AND Libya they will bomb you to maintain the status quo.Putin has done many things wrong but to put all the blame on him is incorrect.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: khnum

Before Russia invaded Ukraine they were a:
* - member of the G8
* - had access to financial markets around the globe.
* - had a strong, consistent inflow of capital investment.
* - had an economy that was growing
* - had access to technology enabling them to exploit their oil resources.
* - had access to the EU market
* - had access to the US market
* - Had no restrictions placed on their economy.
* - had a reserve of capital.

etc etc etc....

What does Russia have today from the list above? The reason they don't have it is because of Putin's invasion of Ukraine. He has been told several times the sanctions can go away if he backs off and he wont.

Putin is responsible for Russia's failure and no one else.

As for your off topic comments about the ME you seem to ignore the fact Russia signed onto the Libyan UN resolution. they are as responsible for what occurred in Libya as the western nations you blame.
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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Russia comes off as weak! They should have marched into Syria when their ally was threatened. They should have marched into Ukraine etc.. Its a super powers responsibility to provide some checks and balances when some other super power starts war mongering for its own interest. Instead Russia just stood ideally by as Syria was taken back to stone age, and the Ukraine was gripped by US/EU sponsored civil war.

What good are you Russia? All talk and no bite! The US knows Russia wont do squat and so is free to bully the world Russia included. Putin Freedom aint free, its paid for with the blood of patriots and that payments appear to be due!

Could you imagine if a Russia/China sponsored coup took place in Mexico or Canada and the US just sat back and maybe sent a few advisors. Man up Russia or lay down!

In early 2001 I heard talk that said the US was to become the worlds largest energy exporter by 2030. We are indeed the worlds largest energy producer today. All that is left to the plan is to kick the Ruskies to the curb in Europe and let the gas flow! I would bet destabilizing the Middle east and possible even our good buddies the Saudis would help with the goal as well.

Put up or shut up Putin! You have no one to blame for the world today, but yourselves.
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Hellas




When did Russia shape the world according to its interests?


Communism ring a bell?



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Hellas
When did Russia shape the world according to its interests?




originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Communism ring a bell?


i was going to say ask any European country that fell into the Soviet zone of control after WWII ended. We can also look at the time period when Nazi Germany and the USSR were allies, carving up Poland, Eastern Europe and the Baltic nations. Of course we should mention the Soviet invasion of Finland. Ukraine..... Georgia.... S. Ossettia, Moldova

Cuba, N. Vietnam, N. Korea, Syria etc etc etc....
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

You are correct the interference in Ukrainian affairs has had some consequences Putin may not of considered but as I said there is a proxy war going on with US-Saudi oil market manipulation which affects bonds and currencies in Russia,you can deny it all you like but Russia is under economic attack



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




that they piss red, white, and blue.


Well I don't know about white, but if you piss red, or blue I would suggest a doctor visit.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Donkey_Dean

Kind of off tangent, but a Russian sponsored regime change in Mexico may be a bit better than what is there currently, seeing as how America could give two s#'s about the cartels which have literally bought the government to their side. Though that could just as easily be an out of the pot and into the fire sort of thing though. So who knows?



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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Thanks to Putin with his dreams of former Soviet Glory and his action over Crimea that has actually backfired on him by giving new life to NATO (which was cutting budgets…

Putin is dreaming of continuing to be free from Nato Expansion.

NATO reaction to Soviets going home was / is to fill the void left behind.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: khnum

Of course they're under economic attack. Nobody is denying that.

The REASON they are under economic attack is because of it's recent actions. You seem to be implying the economic hardship started happening BEFORE they started futzing about with Ukraine.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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carving up Poland, Eastern Europe and the Baltic nations.


It is said that Putin discussed splitting Ukraine up with Poland...


(Reuters) - Poland's parliamentary speaker, Radoslaw Sikorski, has been quoted as saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Poland's then leader in 2008 that they divide Ukraine between themselves.


uk.reuters.com...

Although he is now saying he was misinterpreted, it makes you wonder why he said it in the first place.

Or did he get a visit from a certain gov't agency that helped him change his mind?



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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Putin is dreaming of continuing to be free from Nato Expansion.


And the way to achieve that dream...quit invading sovereign countries that used to be part of the federation.

Not a hard thing to do.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

The Ukraine has compounded problems but prior to it they had to shut down both the stock and bond markets on several occasions,to me its old world oil crooks against new world oil crooks theres been a lot going on behind the scenes for quite some time



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: khnum

and Russia has quite vocally advocated dumping the dollar in favor of other currencies.

There is a saying -
If you are going to play stick ball in Brooklyn you better know he rules.

The US response to Russia's attack on the US currency is only appropriate. Russia's attack on the Us currency occurred a long time before he invaded Ukraine.

So, again, we are back to a decision Putin made coming back to bite him in the ass.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

The Ukraine has compounded problems but prior to it they had to shut down both the stock and bond markets on several occasions,to me its old world oil crooks against new world oil crooks theres been a lot going on behind the scenes for quite some time


and the amount of oil resources located in the south and East of Ukraine, in addition to Crimea and now the areas of the black sea Russia controls via occupied Ukraine territory is extensive.

Russia wants the oil... Of course the Russian 2015 budget requires oil prices to remain at or above $96 a barrel. Russia thought they could gain more control but somehow ignored the oil industry in the US, which is affecting world oil prices.

Again something Putin did to himself by refusing to look beyond his own nose.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

articles.latimes.com...
The International Energy Agency report also predicts that the U.S. will be a net exporter of oil around 2030 and nearly self-sufficient in energy by 2035.

Russia stands in the way of this goal, as do some remaining middle east countries. Or are we about done in the middle east. If you don't count Iran are there any more rouge middle east countries left?

It seems to me that a "if you don't play ball then your country will burn" agenda is afoot. Of course what do I know.


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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Xcathdra




carving up Poland, Eastern Europe and the Baltic nations.


It is said that Putin discussed splitting Ukraine up with Poland...


(Reuters) - Poland's parliamentary speaker, Radoslaw Sikorski, has been quoted as saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Poland's then leader in 2008 that they divide Ukraine between themselves.


uk.reuters.com...

Although he is now saying he was misinterpreted, it makes you wonder why he said it in the first place.

Or did he get a visit from a certain gov't agency that helped him change his mind?


Fine specimen you come up with again :



In the mid-1980s, Sikorski worked as a freelance journalist for publications such as The Spectator and The Observer. In 1986, he travelled to Afghanistan to aid the mujahideen against the Soviet Union, while a war correspondent for The Sunday Telegraph.[7] He won the World Press Photo award in 1987 for a photograph of a family killed in a bombing by the Afghan Air Force.[8] In 1989, he became the chief foreign correspondent for the American magazine National Review, writing from Afghanistan and Angola. In 1990–91 he was the Sunday Telegraph's Warsaw correspondent.

From 1988 to 1992 he advised Rupert Murdoch on investing in Poland.

From 2002 to 2005, Sikorski was a resident fellow of the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C., and executive director of the New Atlantic Initiative. He was editor of the analytical publication European Outlook, and organised international conferences. He is a member of the Board of Advisors of the American Committees on Foreign Relations.

Source

It just another neocon henchmen doing its job.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Donkey_Dean
a reply to: Xcathdra

articles.latimes.com...
The International Energy Agency report also predicts that the U.S. will be a net exporter of oil around 2030 and nearly self-sufficient in energy by 2035.

Russia stands in the way of this goal, as do some remaining middle east countries.



if you did some research you would have seen the US could have been self sufficient decades ago and opted not to. If the US becomes self sufficient in oil then there would be no need for ME oil so your insinuation is without base. Secondly we don't import gas from Russia so they are irrelevant.

one could argue, with the manner Russia holds Europe hostage by gas, that your comment applies to Russia and not the US.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

and yet you posted nothing to refute the claim made.

Here is the source article - feel free to use this for your response so it might be somewhere in the ball park of relevent.

Polish ex-minister quoted saying Putin offered to divide Ukraine with Poland


(Reuters) - Poland's parliamentary speaker, Radoslaw Sikorski, has been quoted as saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Poland's then leader in 2008 that they divide Ukraine between themselves.

Sikorski, who until September served as Poland's foreign minister, was quoted telling U.S. website Politico that Putin made the proposal during Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk's visit to Moscow in 2008 - although he later said some of the interview had been "overinterpreted".

"He wanted us to become participants in this partition of Ukraine ... This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, when he visited Moscow," he was quoted as saying in the interview dated Oct. 19.

"He (Putin) went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don't we just sort it out together," Sikorski was quoted as saying.

Before World War Two, Poland's territory included parts of today's western Ukraine, including some major cities such as Lwow, known as Lviv in Ukraine.

Sikorski, who accompanied Tusk on his trip to Moscow, was quoted as saying Tusk did not reply to Putin's suggestion, because he knew he was being recorded, but Poland never expressed any interest in joining the Russian operation.

"We made it very, very clear to them - we wanted nothing to do with this," Sikorski was quoted as saying.

After publication of the interview, Sikorski said it was not entirely accurate.

"Some of the words have been overinterpreted," Sikorski wrote on his Twitter account late on Monday, adding that Poland does not take part in annexations.

The interview could further aggravate tension between Poland and Russia, already at odds over the Ukrainian crisis and Poland's arrest of two men suspected of spying for Moscow.

Neither Poland's Foreign Ministry nor Russian officials were immediately available to comment.

"If such a proposal was made by Putin then that's scandalous," Ewa Kopacz, who replaced Tusk as prime minister after his departure for a top job in Brussels, said late on Monday in an interview with public broadcaster TVP.

"No Polish prime minister will participate in such a disgraceful activity like partitioning another country", she said, adding she had not heard about such a proposal before.



Pay attention -

Sikorski's account is not the first suggestion that Russia was seeking Poland's support in partitioning Ukraine.

Following the annexation of Crimea, Russian parliamentary speaker Vladimir Zhirinovsky sent a letter to the governments of Poland, Romania and Hungary, proposing a joint division of the country.


(Reporting by Wiktor Szary; Editing by Alison Williams)




The person whom Putin stated it to was - Donald Tusk


again you should spend more time learning / reading and less time deflecting / obfuscating.


here is some historical perspective since the term nazi gets thrown around a lot -
German–Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Demarcation


The German–Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Demarcation (also known as the German–Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty) was a treaty signed by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union on September 28, 1939 after their joint invasion and occupation of Poland.[1] It was signed by Joachim von Ribbentrop and Vyacheslav Molotov, the foreign ministers of Germany and the Soviet Union respectively. The treaty was a follow up to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which the two countries had signed on August 23, prior to their invasion of Poland and the start of World War II in Europe. Only a small portion of the treaty was publicly announced.
Secret articles

Several secret articles were attached to the treaty. These articles allowed for the exchange of Soviet and German nationals between the two occupied zones of Poland, redrew parts of the central European spheres of interest dictated by the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, and also stated that neither party to the treaty would allow on its territory any "Polish agitation" directed at the other party. During the western invasion of Poland, the German Wehrmacht had taken control of the Lublin Voivodeship and eastern Warsaw Voivodeship - territories which according to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact were in the Soviet sphere of influence. To compensate the Soviet Union for this "loss", the treaty's secret attachment transferred Lithuania to the Soviet sphere of influence, with the exception of a small territory in the Suwałki Region, sometimes known as the Suwałki Triangle. After this transfer, the Soviet Union issued an ultimatum to Lithuania, occupied it on June 15, 1940 and established the Lithuanian SSR.

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