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Putin: USA 'shaped the world' according to its interests

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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

But the whole problem of it is, lots are hiding behind the whole "they both are doing it" and are justifying the pushing the West is doing towards Russia/China/Iran/Africa/South-America/Asia and are blind to see that that`s where the danger comes from.

It`s not about the world biggest powers coming up for their own interests, it`s about the West trying to get or maintain World hegemony is where the danger lies. And once that`s removed the danger subsides of the dangerous path which is followed now.

And that`s where the criticism towards US comes from.

Normal people have fears, and one distinguishing mark of sociopaths is the lack of it on them. And because Washington is run by them, they have an absence of normal fear about their actions pushing the World towards the edge.

So yes, the key to ending the madness is Washington stopping with the pushing towards other major powers in this World.




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: SLAYER69


Any Country that gets along with the US are simply US puppets.

Any Country that apposes Russia for any reason are simply US puppets.

I get it.

One big happy NWO with bombed out cities, occupying armies and no star on the flag?

Ask Iraq how they feel about "getting along"? or Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc. Lets ask the Eastern Ukrainians how bad they want to be independent from the EU?


Free trade with all and entangling alliances with none has always been the best policy in dealing with other countries on the world stage. This is the policy of friendship, freedom and non-interventionism and yet people wrongly attack this philosophy as isolationist. Nothing could be further from the truth. Isolationism is putting up protectionist trade barriers, starting trade wars imposing provocative sanctions and one day finding out we have no one left to buy our products. Isolationism is arming both sides of a conflict, only to discover that you’ve made two enemies instead of keeping two friends. Isolationism is trying to police the world but creating more resentment than gratitude. Isolationism is not understanding economics, or other cultures, but clumsily intervening anyway and creating major disasters out of minor problems.

Free trade with all entangling alliances with none.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Ask why all 'Former Soviet States and Warsaw Pact Countries' run like hell from mother Russia.

Pointing out all that's wrong of one side while repeatedly ignoring their own is a bad way to fly.


That's your Kool aid not mine.

Enjoy.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: daaskapital

You`re actual saying the same thing as Putin is saying about the World needing more superpowers to balance it...

...but the forces in Washington seem to think they are the only one and there should be only one...

...and that`s what they are working towards and that`s where the actual danger comes from...

...and as I said before and many others, the actions of Washington trying to become the sole World power or trying to stay the World biggest World power is where the danger lies.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: intrptr

Ask why all 'Former Soviet States and Warsaw Pact Countries' run like hell from mother Russia.

Pointing out all that's wrong of one side while repeatedly ignoring their own is a bad way to fly.


That's your Kool aid not mine.

Enjoy.




Who wouldn`t want to run like hell with such a creep in the background :



“First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?” Zakaria asked Soros.

Source



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: intrptr

Ask why all 'Former Soviet States and Warsaw Pact Countries' run like hell from mother Russia.



originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
originally posted by: SLAYER69

Who wouldn`t want to run like hell with such a creep in the background





posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I totally understand where the fear on Putin's part comes from. With every perceived encroachment the US gains more clout to use against Russia and push it's own Agenda. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree one bit with the United State's current expansionist policies.

But, I damn glad I'm an American right now. The war machine is spooling up again and though I don't want to play, should I be forced to I want to play for the winning team.

I just don't agree with some the opinions in here that Russia is only reacting to our own expansion, or in fact entirely innocent. They've got plan of their own too, and they're pushing to further their own agenda just as much. Putin is a weasley, manipulative, yet cunning little man who knows how to play up the media and sway opinion. It appears to be working in spades.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: SLAYER69


Ask why all 'Former Soviet States and Warsaw Pact Countries' run like hell from mother Russia.

The Warsaw Pact and "Soviet State" no longer exist. Mother Russia is a different bear.

Imagine US encroaching on Eastern Europe, the ME and Africa when the Soviets were still around?

Imagine concluding the Soviets we're preventing western hegemony in Eastern Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa?

Not that the Soviet system was any different than what the West represents now.

NATO any different now than the Soviets were then.

Isn't that what the West fought the whole cold war over, Soviet Dominance of the world?



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: SLAYER69

NATO any different now than the Soviets were then.

Isn't that what the West fought the whole cold war over, Soviet Dominance of the world?



One last thing

Regarding NATO

Thanks to Putin with his dreams of former Soviet Glory and his action over Crimea that has actually backfired on him by giving new life to NATO (which was cutting budgets, were divisive ] which are NOW tightening ranks, increasing military spending, increasing awareness, more united with determination.

Good job there Putin.

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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Hellas




When did Russia shape the world according to its interests?



Well, they tried with the Bolshevik Revolution and the Communist Politburo.....and killed a lot of their own people in the process.
People think communism is dead since the fall of the Berlin Wall and such..... but our dear leader and his radical friends prove the dream is still alive in Western leftists.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I totally understand where the fear on Putin's part comes from. With every perceived encroachment the US gains more clout to use against Russia and push it's own Agenda. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree one bit with the United State's current expansionist policies.

But, I damn glad I'm an American right now. The war machine is spooling up again and though I don't want to play, should I be forced to I want to play for the winning team.

I just don't agree with some the opinions in here that Russia is only reacting to our own expansion, or in fact entirely innocent. They've got plan of their own too, and they're pushing to further their own agenda just as much. Putin is a weasley, manipulative, yet cunning little man who knows how to play up the media and sway opinion. It appears to be working in spades.


I`m in the same boat being Dutch (America`s lapdog), but the difference is I`m not glad about being part of it. Too may people have already died because of their policies.

The whole problem with lots of Americans seem to be they immediately try to point towards others as also being being accountable and by so marginalizing their own wrong doing. Well, it`s one way not to having to face reality and by so trying to maintain the whole "America is the greatest fallacy." My guess is, lots have build their sense of self-being build on that fallacy and are sure don`t want to let it go, because what`s left after that?



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I'm sorry I should have been clearer, I'm glad to be an American, but I'm in your boat, I'm NOT glad at all to be a part of the world's collective Charlie Foxtrot at the hands of my government.

Too many Americans are still clinging to the idea of the Nuclear Family with 2.5 kids, a nice house with a lawn and the white picket fence. If we aren't the "World Superpower" anymore, it puts that idea into jeopardy. Americans hate uncertainty. I think it has a lot to do with the generation raised after WWII. They spend their entire childhood with the nuclear sword of Damocles over their heads.

That kind of uncertainty will have lasting effects even long after the Cold War ended. At the same time, the postwar economy exploded and Americans had a financial windfall. The Nuclear Family concept added a sense of stability to an otherwise uncertain world. More recent generations of Americans understand that the U.S. isn't, and really has no business being the world's babysitter. Trouble is getting those post-WWII baby boomers on board, when they effectively control the nation right now.

Of course you could also dig deeper into conspiracy theories like the world banks and/or the jewish elite and/or the 'lerminatty, but I won't go there.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
The whole problem with lots of Americans seem to be they immediately try to point towards others as also being being accountable and by so marginalizing their own wrong doing. Well, it`s one way not to having to face reality and by so trying to maintain the whole "America is the greatest fallacy." My guess is, lots have build their sense of self-being build on that fallacy and are sure don`t want to let it go, because what`s left after that?


I haven't seen a SINGLE person in this thread express that sentiment. I've seen a bunch of people, myself included, who have tried to point out that Russia does the same things as the US, but I haven't seen anyone try to paint Russia and others with a black brush while saying "America is the greatest".



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun


"the nuclear sword of Damocles over their heads."


Is the same as it was in Western Europe as well.

And I`m not anti-America as some tend to believe, only anti US/EU/Canada/Australia World politics.

And I also think it`s bad for the World that so many Americans are not more critical towards their own government World policies. The bad thing is lots seem to think they actual are, but fooling yourself is the easiest thing there is.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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I'm an American and I like Putin. Why? Because he makes sense. Sure, he is on the ruthless side but I have learned that you have to rule based upon the people you rule. I used to think Saddam Hussein was evil until we continued our campaigns over there. Apparently, those people NEED to be ruled by someone ruthless and evil to match who they are. With Saddam...there was calm. Without him...well...take a look. You can not manage citizens nicely if the citizens are not nice. We used to call that fighting fire with fire.

If you were to take the majority of the problems in the USA and relocate them to China (for example), how would they be handled? How would China's government handle people stealing from the state (welfare abuse)? That could be called being a traitor to the country. How would they handle the riots in Fergusson?

We have become weak and while I don't support a big government, I do believe we need to be much harder on people. If you are an ass...you should be treated as such. If you are nice...you should be treated as such. There is nothing wrong with shooting an armed criminal. We have become weak to the point that we can't function. We are becoming a third world country and at this rate...we will eventually need a dictator. Is that what we want? Apparently so since we won't behave.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Though the same could be said for Russia.


Oh Really?

When did Russia shape the world according to its interests? When did they fund ISIS, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda etc.? Or bring 'Democracy' to countries rich in oil and other various natural resources?

I see their fear mongering got to you badly.


Dude you should take a stroll someday around eastern Europe all the way from Estonia to Central Europe and East Germany, to see how Russia indeed tried to shape their world into their interest. Even the young generation who have lived when the Soviet Union collapsed, can tell the story of how it was like living under Soviet control. And it ain't pretty.

The U.S is no different, but one has tried to gain more and more control and land by conquest, and the other is wiser than that and is doing that economically... Hits nations where they hurt the most and then buys them. But there's NO difference in the goals they were aiming for, just different tactics.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: Hellas

So now all of Russia's woes are because of the US.

Putin is getting more and more desperate every day.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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Must of been telling the truth the Zionist banker knobs at Standard and poors just downgraded Russia to a notch above junk.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
Must of been telling the truth the Zionist banker knobs at Standard and poors just downgraded Russia to a notch above junk.


they only confirmed what Russia did to itself. the only party to blame for Russia's idiocy is russia itself.

Besides according to Putin there is no economic problem in Russia. there trade is up, Russia business is taking over for banned business.
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I like you are no great fan of Putins to me he is just an ex KGB glorified Russian mafioso be that as it may he is amateur hour compared to the crooks on Wall Street if you've been following Russian markets and bonds you would know they've had 'help'' to achieve their current status.



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