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What are we allowed to say and talk about regarding drugs?

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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:05 AM
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I've seen a number of threads discussing the use of marijuana that don't get removed, and then I see people mentioning marijuana get a thread removed. I see mod participation in some, but also some get booted. Is it plainly spelled out? It doesn't seem to be. I thought the deal was NO talk about illegal drugs, and I get that may be problematic since WA and CO legalized.

What are we allowed to discuss? I voiced my concerns awhile ago about this, but it seems there is no definitive position. Can we or can we not discuss marijuana?

I would prefer to not have any drug related posts or threads on this site, and am probably in the minority. That being said, if it's allowed can we get a straightforward answer as to when? Is it OK if it's being discussed politically? Is it OK for a member to say they partake?




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:12 AM
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Recreational use and personal use are still forbidden. You can talk about it in these contexts:

1.War on drugs.

2.Medical studies

3.Legislative initiatives and laws.

Otherwise it's probably still going to be removed.

Tenth



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Thank you. That seems very appropriate.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:27 AM
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why oh why does everyone still believe its a drug its a plant. a drug is something that is manufactured. when will ppl learn. just cause big bro says it is doesnt make it so.a reply to: Domo1




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: Domo1

Well, those of use who would rather not read drug-related posts could always just refrain from reading drug-related posts...

But as far as the rules go, I propose that instead of an entire thread/post getting deleted for T & C violation, MODs should simply redact the offending content of the original post.






posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: UDrinktheKoolAid
why oh why does everyone still believe its a drug its a plant. a drug is something that is manufactured. when will ppl learn. just cause big bro says it is doesnt make it so.a reply to: Domo1



Not true



A drug is, in the broadest of terms, a chemical substance that has known biological effects on humans or other animals.

In pharmacology, a drug is "a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being."Drugs may be used for a limited duration, or on a regular basis for chronic disorders.

Recreational drugs are chemical substances that affect the central nervous system, such as opioids or hallucinogens. Alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine are the most widely consumed psychotropic drugs worldwide.


It mentions nothing about a drug being manufactured.


edit on 24-10-2014 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:15 AM
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originally posted by: PhoenixOD

originally posted by: UDrinktheKoolAid
why oh why does everyone still believe its a drug its a plant. a drug is something that is manufactured. when will ppl learn. just cause big bro says it is doesnt make it so.a reply to: Domo1



Not true



A drug is, in the broadest of terms, a chemical substance that has known biological effects on humans or other animals.

In pharmacology, a drug is "a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being."Drugs may be used for a limited duration, or on a regular basis for chronic disorders.

Recreational drugs are chemical substances that affect the central nervous system, such as opioids or hallucinogens. Alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine are the most widely consumed psychotropic drugs worldwide.


It mentions nothing about a drug being manufactured.



Man!! How did I know somebody was gonna say that..

...Yes it is,

And you know just what he/she is trying to say, BUT you seem to want to have your say on it which is wrong.

coz we all know pill's,raps hang on trees don't we.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:32 AM
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a reply to: Domo1

I think its a difficult one for the site owners.

I find it bizarre and if I'm being honest even slightly contradictory that a site that promotes free thinking and open and respectful debate has a somewhat strict policy regarding discussing drug related issues.
Bear in mind its relatively common place to read and discuss the overthrowing of governments, insurrection, civil disobedience and numerous other contentious issues.

Yet there are quite a few young members here on ATS and I understand that the majority feel there is a moral responsibility not to be a party to unduly influencing them, promoting drug use or divulging information that may make it easier for them to partake in such practices etc.

As a general rule of thumb I don't believe in censorship of any kind and at times it frustrates me as there are certain drug related issues I would like to discuss more openly here on ATS - I feel that our current drug laws are hypocritical and there is a massive amount of mis-information circulated surrounding the whole subject.

But as has been said many times before, there are many sites out there where people can discuss drug related issues quite openly.
ATS has to draw a line in the sand somewhere and I fully understand and respect the reasoning on its T&C policy regarding this topic.
And the last thing I would want to see is drug related threads swamping the site and deflecting away from the core subjects that first attracted us all to this site.
And neither would I like to see a general decline in the manner and conduct of its members, something that could quite easily happen.

Yes, its frustrating at times.....but I think they have the balance just right.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: UDrinktheKoolAid

Hmm like tobacco, coffee, alcohol coc aine and heroin?

I wanted clarification not an argument. Especially not such a dumb one.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

To be fair to the site, Freeborn, I think that the ownership have attempted in previous times, to allow a certain level of reasonable discussion on this topic before, beyond the current standard, and have had to deal with the most sophomoric blather from the less restrained members, an abundance of personal use descriptions, and basically the wrong kind of discussion for this site for their trouble.

As it is however, bearing in mind the previous attempts and the reasons and manners in which they have failed, the current standards for discussion of pot related topics is actually right on the money. There is no need to discuss ones personal use of a substance on an internet forum such as this, and I would posit that it is not entirely sensible to do so in any case. The current standard however, allows for the wider issues surrounding the topic, to be discussed broadly, and with reference to everything from the legislative issues it presents, to the moral and social implications which may stem from its use.

I think the current balance is the best its been since I joined up in 2007 really. It allows for relevant discussion of the topic as a subject, while preventing folk from spending a few hundred pages sharing tips on their papercrafting skills so to speak. A decent compromise has been reached.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




To be fair to the site, Freeborn, I think that the ownership have attempted in previous times, to allow a certain level of reasonable discussion on this topic before, beyond the current standard, and have had to deal with the most sophomoric blather from the less restrained members, an abundance of personal use descriptions, and basically the wrong kind of discussion for this site for their trouble.


The mother of run on sentences! I'm stealing your comma button!

I kid. I also agree. There's a problem with those that partake, they won't shut up about it and ruin any discussion. That and the site has to keep certain talk away so that they can maintain a favorable status among advertisers.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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a reply to: Domo1

Hehe!

Sometimes I type in the same way that I talk, hence the over abundance of commas!

I think the advertising angle is spot on, and although I would seek not to generalise about any demographic, the last thing we need is LESS cohesive discussions on the boards! Promoting a sober approach to discussion is a good thing, and I for one am happy about the current direction of discussion on the topic, despite what my own habits may or may not be.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:59 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I agree entirely.

I hope my previous post doesn't come across as if I'm criticising the site owners, far from it.

I've had one or two discussions with SO in the past regarding these issues, and not always seen eye to eye on things.

But, I've got to say I think they have things just right at present and your post summed things up perfectly.


a reply to: Domo1



That and the site has to keep certain talk away so that they can maintain a favorable status among advertisers.


To be honest, I've never really considered that.

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised if that is a major consideration nowadays, however, in any discussions SO has always stressed that his primary concern has been not to be seen condoning, promoting or glamourising drug use - I fully respect that.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




Promoting a sober approach to discussion is a good thing, and I for one am happy about the current direction of discussion on the topic, despite what my own habits may or may not be.


Agreed. Don't look in the off topic section right now though. I had an issue...

I really like the more serious tone of discussion we have here (for the most part) and having conversations devolve into "duuuuuude" would make me run. I'm all for the stuff and have no issue with people that enjoy (even though I sadly can't - horrible panic attacks) but it seems like every forum or site I've seen that allows such discussion is suddenly inundated with only those topics.

So glad you took my little barb in the spirit it was intended! I figured you would, but was a little worried it seemed insulting.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Your post did not come across as even the most oblique of assaults upon the site ownership Freeborn, I was just adding my own thoughts to the general over arching ethos of your post!



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:15 AM
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I feel I have to say something on this issue:

ATS hasn't got a clue. I was post banned minutes after the Drugs forum opened up a few years ago for posting an informative video on how Cannabis became illegal in the first place. Since then I have read all sorts of excuses from a certain owner including that they don't want it showing up on Google search, that while it remains illegal it shall not be discussed here and all other sorts of nonsense that didn't make sense then, and most certainly doesn't make sense to me now in the light of legalisation taking effect in several states and countries worldwide.

I really think the 3 amigos need to make a formal, logical and reasonable statement on where we stand on the issue. It has been a sore point with me ever since a certain owner completely overreacted and treated me like dirt for simply posting an informative, educational video that did not openly advocate it's usage but rather went into it's history.

EDIT TO ADD: Sticking your head in a bucket of sand and hoping the issue goes away is NOT the way to deal with this important issue.


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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:25 AM
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I really think the 3 amigos need to make a formal, logical and reasonable statement on where we stand on the issue.


I think the post up thread was pretty informative. I would still like to see it laid out though.

It's not all that interesting to me, but I have wanted to start a few threads since I live near Seattle. Not sure what I can say. I've seen some weird issues crop up here that I would like to discuss. My worry though is that people who advocate seem to get incredibly annoying when the topic is brought up or allowed to be discussed.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: Domo1

My worry though is that people who advocate seem to get incredibly annoying when the topic is brought up or allowed to be discussed.


Like every topic, there is always a few enthusiasts who take it too far. They are moderated in an adequate fashion in other threads and I see no reason for that not to apply to drugs related threads.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:33 AM
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The freedom to write about marijuana on ATS has been greatly extended, and the resulting threads, discussions, and shared information have been very interesting and informative. Thanks to the site owners, ATS's readers have been able to read all sides of a much-discussed societal issue. What posters are asked not to do is write about their personal experiences about using the substance, which isn't that difficult, and assures that minors don't post personal life information about a topic which is appropriatelyl illegal in places which have legalized marijuana for adults.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: Kryties

Um....

Well if the legal status of pot in the US was any factor in their treatment of you, then you have to understand that only in the last year or so has it been offered any positive legal status. If you are saying that you were having problems a couple of years back, they probably are not contextually relevant to the current format of discussion here at the moment.




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