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Donetsk Forces Plan to Retake Slaviansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol

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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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Here we go again...

Ukraine- Separatists (Russia...?) round 2.

Kiev kept on shelling civilians, so it shouldn't`t come up as a surprise.

Donetsk Forces Plan to Retake Slaviansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol



DONETSK, October 23 (RIA Novosti) – Self-defense forces in eastern Ukraine are planning to retake cities of Slaviansk, Kramatorsk and Mariupol, said prime minister of self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Alexander Zakharchenko, Thursday.

"Periods of intense hostilities will follow. We will retake Slaviansk, Kramatorsk and Mariupol. Unfortunately, it was impossible to make peaceful settlement the focus of negotiations. We are the only ones who comply with the regime of silence," he stressed.

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Makes you wonder which sanctions are now going to follow.It could get really cold this winter in some parts of the EU when The West is going to come up with new sanctions.




posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Very much hope so. The question is can they do it without the help from Russia. Putin needs to send in soldiers in plain clothing and lots of machines. Ukorps have 3-4 substantial force build ups. Russia needs to finish these off from distance and then troops will surrender on their own.

Ukrops need one more hard beating before they realize it is not worth it and run away to other side of Dniper themselves.




posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: victor7

I have a feeling it`s going to be messy.

Attacking costs 3 times as many lives, but city fighting can cost up to about 10 times more for the attackers. So I have my doubt if DPR can do it without Russian support. Mariupol is not a small city with almost half a million citizens.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: victor7




Putin needs to send in soldiers in plain clothing and lots of machines.


And has he not been doing that already?



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

That`s the million Dollar question if they did, not much proof has been showed accept stuff which could have been made up easily.

I would not be surprised if Russia had been given the get go to attack again after the peace has failed. Russia wouldn't bow down to the demands of The West and they gave Kiev/The West a change. We all know Russia doesn`t back down when push comes to shuffle, and they have been given Kiev/The West lots of Political openings since the "truce." Russia doesn`t wait forever as we have seen with the humanitarian aid convoy.
edit on 23-10-2014 by BornAgainAlien because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

www.interpretermag.com...

Russia faces a new “time of troubles” if Vladimir Putin doesn’t escalate the conflict in Ukraine and establish control over all its territory, according to Igor Strelkov, the former defense minister of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk Peoples Republic. And he adds that Putin’s personal survival depends on such an escalation.

My Views: Ukrops need to be hit hard to take any power out of their plans to attack. Now they have anti-artillery radars, night visions, whole army in east has body armor, so they must be feeling upbeat. A hard pre-emptive long distance hit will bring them to a balanced mind, i.e. down from aggressive intentions.

Also in Mariupol Ukrops have gotten a build up already. NAF needs to employ populations from within to disrupt the defenses and have Junta forces sandwiched if possible. Do not need a whole army of fighters but only few dozens of capable anti-tank missilers, RPG operators, snipers, mine laying specialists. That will leave only 2 options for the Ukrops either to surrender or go down fighting against the advancing NAF and Russians.

Trying to take Mariupol and Slyviansk block by block will result in destruction of these cities. That's what is the strategy of Kiev Junta. If you can't take the place then destroy the infrastructure. Similar tools were employed by Nazis in WWII, they burned everything on retreat and killed anyone with relish.

The question is in what form and level will Russians provide help. Without Russian help, Ukrops would not have been defeated in Iloviask. NAF is not strong enough to withstand a simultaneous assault on 3 directions around Donetsk. Now that winter has set in, Kremlin would be less afraid of the "gas sanctions" from the EU. Hence any involvement needs to be completed in few weeks at most.




posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 06:11 PM
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This will not end well......Any escalation by either side will result in way more dead civillians than dead soldiers.....
We need to put a UN peace keeping force in between these drunken bums.....because they will just keep at it till the free vodka runs out....then there will be one HELLUVA HANGOVER.....



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: stirling

Elections on Oct 26 will decide if an all out war takes place or some sort of further reconciliation is done and peace (even if partial) is prolonged.

Party of Regions of Yanukovich has been outlawed, as this party of mainly from the eastern Donbass region.

Poroshenko would need to elect Kremlin liked candidates in important positions. If he does not do that, then NAF and Russians will do what they have to destroy Ukrops massed on the NovoRossiyan territory and before the end of this year, take all the territory shown on the NovoRossiyan maps i.e. 5 Obalsts.

It is unlikely Porky Poro, a fascist himself in the past and who openly ordered the bombing of civilians, will follow the Kremlin line. Stupid bastard will not get any support or even weapons from West as Putin will respond with providing weapons to anti-west elements in the middle east.

Less than 3 days for Porky Poro to come to his senses. Very likely some General from Ukrainian Army will throw out the government and take firm place and declare allegiance to Kremlin and end the suffering of the Ukrainian people.




posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

This situation gets worse by the day. Why does Ukraine have to choose between Russia and NATO. They are a sovereign country, it is in their best interest to work peacefully with both Russia and NATO, without being forced to join anyone.

The people of Ukraine are getting screwed. Neither Putin nor NATO seem to give a damm about Ukrainians. Im getting tired of bad politics getting people killed for no reason.

A peaceful Ukraine that does business with both sides peacefully is the only solution. Everything else needs to come off the table before more people die needlessly.

Enough political wars!!!!!!!
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So the cease fire the rebels signed was nothing more than to secure a breather so they can rearm / re-equip and continue their fight against Ukraine.

gee... I called that one when it started.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

It would be utter utter foolish for Kiev to go to the fight with NAF. Junta should pull its troops from NovoRossiya and build defenses west of Dniper.

If Junta attacks then NAF along with Russians will break them and then Porky will risk losing Kiev itself and may be beyond.

Once the current Ukrops formations are bashed up there will be not much to stop the Russian tanks from marching on Kiev. What these fascists did to Donbass.........will be done to them..........only in the 10x magnitude. That is the Russian way of dealing with the aggressors who conduct war crimes on the civilians.

Btw Porky, US/West has no love for you West Ukrainians. End of the day you all are Slavic, Orthodox and former Commies........all these variables are considered inferior in the western literature. Too bad idiots like you have not understood this yet............even after losing several thousands of young men. Have some empathy towards families who's sons you are sending for slaughter in return for overstock night vision goggles from the US.





posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So the cease fire the rebels signed was nothing more than to secure a breather so they can rearm / re-equip and continue their fight against Ukraine.

gee... I called that one when it started.



Well, at least the rebels did cease firing...pity the same can't be said for porky's bunch.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: victor7

Btw Porky, US/West has no love for you West Ukrainians. End of the day you all are Slavic, Orthodox and former Commies........all these variables are considered inferior in the western literature.


Nice racist ethnocentric rant... So when you cant refute facts you launch personal attacks. Are you ever going to post facts?


originally posted by: victor7
Too bad idiots like you have not understood this yet............

Refute the facts and stop the personal attacks.



originally posted by: victor7
even after losing several thousands of young men. Have some empathy towards families who's sons you are sending for slaughter in return for overstock night vision goggles from the US.

I do.. its one of the main reason I think the US / West / EU should help Ukraine militarily. The days of Russian land grabs are over with. Putin must be forced to understand his behavior is a century out of date. At the rate he is going he is going to turn Russia into a failed midnight robber.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 01:27 AM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So the cease fire the rebels signed was nothing more than to secure a breather so they can rearm / re-equip and continue their fight against Ukraine.

gee... I called that one when it started.



Well, at least the rebels did cease firing...pity the same can't be said for porky's bunch.


Check your facts there chief. The rebels stated they would not abide by the agreement after they signed it. They continued their attacks on Ukraine forces near the airport. Even some rebel commanders complained about those rebel groups ignoring the cease fire..
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:05 AM
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I don't understand why Russia doesn't just nuke Kiev. Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so there will be no World War III after the attack.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:09 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: victor7

Btw Porky, US/West has no love for you West Ukrainians. End of the day you all are Slavic, Orthodox and former Commies........all these variables are considered inferior in the western literature.


Nice racist ethnocentric rant... So when you cant refute facts you launch personal attacks. Are you ever going to post facts?


originally posted by: victor7
Too bad idiots like you have not understood this yet............

Refute the facts and stop the personal attacks.



originally posted by: victor7
even after losing several thousands of young men. Have some empathy towards families who's sons you are sending for slaughter in return for overstock night vision goggles from the US.

I do.. its one of the main reason I think the US / West / EU should help Ukraine militarily. The days of Russian land grabs are over with. Putin must be forced to understand his behavior is a century out of date. At the rate he is going he is going to turn Russia into a failed midnight robber.

Land grabs? It is the US that has instituted land grabs. Ukraine had a democratically elected government that was overthrown by US backed NAZIs with an investment of $5 billion. Russia has not grabbed any land. Crimea was semiautonomous under the legitimate Ukrainian government. When the US overthrow the legitimate sovereign government, the result was a failed state. Crimea voted to join Russia in full accordance with international law. That was logical since 80% of the people living there are Russian speakers and love Russia.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 06:00 AM
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Well, at least the rebels did cease firing...pity the same can't be said for porky's bunch.


Want to try that again?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

www.npr.org...


Shelling and other clashes between government forces and Russian-backed separatists threw the ceasefire agreement in eastern Ukraine into deepening peril today, two days after it took hold. At least two houses hit by artillery fire blazed in the rural village of Spartak, which lies just north of the main rebel-held city of Donetsk and adjacent to the airport. A man whose house was struck by a shell says rebels had fired from a spot nearby, and that apparently provoked a retaliatory attack from Ukrainian government troops. A group of rebel fighters in the village danced and drank this morning in celebration after what they say was a successful assault on a Ukrainian military encampment in the area.


www.newser.com...

They didn't even give it 48 hours before they broke the ceasefire, so now what was it you were saying?



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:00 AM
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Land grabs? It is the US that has instituted land grabs. Ukraine had a democratically elected government that was overthrown by US backed NAZIs with an investment of $5 billion.


And Russia hasn't? Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine ring any bells?

As for your democratically elected government...the same government who lied and stole from it's people, and would that be the same government that decided to go with Russia because he was promised cheaper gas prices that turned out to be a lie.

Just so you know it was the same democratically elected government that was going to impeach it's president for corruption which had nothing to do with the US and the 5 billion that was sent over a decade, and if you want to get into Nazi's in the government you may want to look at Russia.

Russia sent a true neo NAzi to run the separatists in Pavel Gubarev...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Russia has not grabbed any land. Crimea was semiautonomous under the legitimate Ukrainian government.


Even being semiautonomous it was still part of Ukraine.


Under Ukrainian law, Crimea is considered an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine,[5] which is governed by the Constitution of Crimea in accordance with the laws of Ukraine.


en.wikipedia.org...

Just as each state in the US is. They have their own government, yet have to abide by the US federal laws.



That was logical since 80% of the people living there are Russian speakers and love Russia.


Speaking Russian doesn't give you the right to annex it from a sovereign country.

Also know that Crimea was one of regions that voted to leave Russia for Ukranian independence. And 80% do not love Russia and it showed when the actual results from the so called referendum were shown.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 08:14 AM
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Land grabs? It is the US that has instituted land grabs. Ukraine had a democratically elected government that was overthrown by US backed NAZIs with an investment of $5 billion.


You are right! US does not do any land grab it conducts the "REGIME GRAB". This way it controls the whole country without looking bad. Problem is this "REGIME GRAB" has devastated the countries where it was applied and hurt/killed very many people. US still keeps on doing it so long as lives and welfare of its own citizens are not in danger. Very sick foreign policy that is.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Those words were directed towards Porky Poro not towards any ATS members. A clarification.....




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