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Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 06:31 PM
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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: Bilk22
Maybe a HS graduate, but I never figured out how how someone could get to be a "senior scientist" without knowing Lenz law. Not only that but his uncontrolled experiment dropping objects and having some random guys watch the fall instead of doing it scientifically seem to indicate he's not a scientist and doesn't think like one, so either he's a liar, or his employer promoted someone grossly incompetent for the position of senior scientist to that position.

To people that question why he'd do a hoax on his deathbed, I have a question for you. Why does anybody do hoaxes?



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: funbox





hmm very good Mr shift , you made the adjustments well , seems like the little critters got an inner eyelid , but eye reflections don't squeeze


Are you a alien doctor, and know what kind of material that eye is made of ?
They could be implant eyes.. like we have implants that improve our lives.. perhaps there are more artificial stuff inside those then organic.. perhaps it looks like a doll because it is in a sense a living doll .. a very advanced doll..

Perhaps that's not even eyelids, perhaps its a "rubber" like screen to protect against bright light or infections.

There is no freaking why those pictures can be debunked like that..


I think you are correct. That is not a valid argument to debunk. I remember hearing an interview with an abductee in which he claims that all greys are actually not born with black eyes.

He said they are actually born with reddish eyes, and that they have a tradition in which a black protective layer or film is surgically attached to the eyes. I recall him saying it was to protect from deep space light rays or something to that effect.

He made it seem like it was done during infancy kind of like we do circumcisions here. He did say that the greys have regular large pupils, but we cannot see them since they all have this surgically attached black film.

OG



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Bilk22
Maybe a HS graduate, but I never figured out how how someone could get to be a "senior scientist" without knowing Lenz law. Not only that but his uncontrolled experiment dropping objects and having some random guys watch the fall instead of doing it scientifically seem to indicate he's not a scientist and doesn't think like one, so either he's a liar, or his employer promoted someone grossly incompetent for the position of senior scientist to that position.

To people that question why he'd do a hoax on his deathbed, I have a question for you. Why does anybody do hoaxes?
Why make a fool of yourself making a claim he's not what he said he was when it's clear from the evidence he was exactly who he said he was? How many patents do you have to your name?



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Bilk22
Maybe a HS graduate, but I never figured out how how someone could get to be a "senior scientist" without knowing Lenz law. Not only that but his uncontrolled experiment dropping objects and having some random guys watch the fall instead of doing it scientifically seem to indicate he's not a scientist and doesn't think like one, so either he's a liar, or his employer promoted someone grossly incompetent for the position of senior scientist to that position.

To people that question why he'd do a hoax on his deathbed, I have a question for you. Why does anybody do hoaxes?


Money for the heirs. "Yes sir, I will serve my country well and feed a bit more BS to the idiotic gullible UFO crowd."

What i see is telling; why nobody who supposedly has knowledge about cryptic physics to make amazing flying saucers, EVER explains it, and is questioned by, somebody who actually knows some physics.

Like the 'binomial' expansion (surely he meant Taylor expansion)----uh, how does each term correspond to a separate force? It makes no sense at all physically. What is this expansion of?

How is 'magnetism' related to gravity? Gravity works on uncharged object and couples to mass---magnetism to moving charge. Changing gravity really means changing inertia.

But no, we get an enabling interviewer.

If he were a real scientist who knew something he wouldn't choose some ignorant puffoon like the interviewer.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: Bilk22

Why make a fool of yourself making a claim he's not what he said he was when it's clear from the evidence he was exactly who he said he was? How many patents do you have to your name?


How many would it take to prove he is a senior scientist? One? Five? Ten?

How many do you have? How many clearances have you held? How many defense contractors have you worked for?

I'm thinking triple goose eggs.

And the over the top faux outrage is what's really foolish.


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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: DenyObfuscation

They're from a video posted earlier in the thread.



40 seconds in the eyes are open wide. 44 seconds in the eyes appear to have narrowed.

I'll have to watch the Boyd Bushman video again to see if his pictures show the apparent blinking.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: mbkennel
But no, we get an enabling interviewer.

If he were a real scientist who knew something he wouldn't choose some ignorant puffoon like the interviewer.


That "interviewer" has his own agenda.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

The whole physics sidebar was starting to sound like some drunken arguments I've had with my buddies about such things as "who is more powerful - Samantha or Jeannie?" and "who is hotter - Samantha or Jeannie?".

What a dumb conversation. Of course Jeannie was hotter.

Sigh. Rookie. For me it would depend on the kind of mood or theme I was going for at the moment. They were both pretty stupendous. And while we're talking moods, why not both? And what about Betty vs Veronica?

OT: Was it ForteanOrg who was going to do another photo comparison? Maybe focus on the eyes? Maybe I missed some stuff, I'll go back.



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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 08:17 PM
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what if, just what if, someone on the inside that knew about this alien decided to design one just like it as a prop so that if the pictures ever got released it would naturally be discredited due to the similarities of the prop and photos.

IMO the prop is very very similar and there is only 2 possible scenarios.. Pics are fake or prop is modeled after the real thing. There is no other way these could be that similar to each other. They look way too similar.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: Pauligirl

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Blue Shift
ears lack holes too. no orifices can be seen



I think that happens when you're made of plastic.


I can only imagine how odd the autopsy would have been.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: Pauligirl

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Blue Shift
ears lack holes too. no orifices can be seen



I think that happens when you're made of plastic.


I can only imagine how odd the autopsy would have been.


No proof that it was made of plastic. No proof that its a doll.

Now listen I dont know for sure if its a real ET. So since I have no proof its a real ET I dont state my opinions as facts.

So its not a doll until proven otherwise.

Its not a real ET until proven otherwise.

We can only speculate remember?

OG



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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a reply to: The GUT


Sigh. Rookie. For me it would depend on the kind of mood or theme I was going for at the moment. They were both pretty stupendous. And while we're talking moods, why not both? And what about Betty vs Veronica?

Both indeed




OT: Was it ForteanOrg who was going to do another photo comparison? Maybe focus on the eyes? Maybe I missed some stuff, I'll go back.

Fun guy or fun box...someone fun...
we have video screen shots of pictures. Hard to get any real info but it looks like the eye reflections give away that its a rubber alien after all. Fortean is just being harassed for expressing his opinion.

I think he was fed some BS and given some obvious fake photos. Personally, Im backing away from my earlier thoughts about dementia. After watching again, I think Loveguy or lovejeffbeck was right with thier assessment. There is just no reason to think that. He certainly seems sincere but that doesn't rule out that he was fed a pile of doo doo.





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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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Comes from thousands of light years away (And more), has two big eyes, a nose and mouth in symmetry to a humans. Why not throw a set of arms and legs on it too to make it even more ridiculously alike. Don't give him a 3rd leg though, don't wanna offend anyone.

I struggle to get past that part never-mind a dubious YouTube video.

I watched a wildlife show of some sort (Natures fastest or something similar, sorry the names left me) and you can't help but be amazed at the diversity of life right here on our own planet. There was a Locust and it was a beautiful green metallic little fella, and the details of it up close resembled a machine. I remember thinking " now there's an Alien looking creature". It had that wow factor if you know what I mean. Personally I think if we get to see an image of an Alien it will have that WOW

Big head, 2 eyes, humanoid thing? Cringe

Billions of species on Earth with only one being able to travel into space. Of course this could happen elsewhere in the Galaxy and beyond, but what are the chances of them being close enough to travel here? What are the chances of them wanting to travel here? What are the chances they look the rubber doll in the OP?

No not for me



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: OrionsGem

So its not a doll until proven otherwise.

Its not a real ET until proven otherwise.

We can only speculate remember?


Yeah, I fell for that once. There is pretty much zero chance this an alien. Not playing that game now.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: Roxxo

thanks for posting the video, I see where the images came from to make the blink , apologies mr shift for the insinuation of foul play


ill save repeating the experiment,

funbox



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: Bilk22

Why make a fool of yourself making a claim he's not what he said he was when it's clear from the evidence he was exactly who he said he was? How many patents do you have to your name?


How many would it take to prove he is a senior scientist? One? Five? Ten?

How many do you have? How many clearances have you held? How many defense contractors have you worked for?

I'm thinking triple goose eggs.

And the over the top faux outrage is what's really foolish.

No what's foolish is a person making statements as fact that are directly contradicted by fact that has been posted throughout this thread.

I hold no patents. However I know and understand how they work. A good family friend was lead patent attorney for Union Carbide for many years. Had many conversations with him on how they work and why they're filed the way they are.

So are you saying the dear poster you're defending has TS clearances? Should we be concerned he's here for other reasons?



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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Elvis and Micheal Jackson die, they make millions more. 2Pac is richer in death then he was in life.

Obi-wan got struck down, and was powerful then Darth Vader imagined.

Jesus died, and becomes a God.

Im beginning to see a trend.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: Roxxo
a reply to: DenyObfuscation

They're from a video posted earlier in the thread.



40 seconds in the eyes are open wide. 44 seconds in the eyes appear to have narrowed.

I'll have to watch the Boyd Bushman video again to see if his pictures show the apparent blinking.


Evidence like this is what everyone should be focusing on. We can argue until we're blue in the face about whether or not the old man is telling the truth.

The changing eyelids on the left eye are definitely interesting. Also, if you pay attention to the right eye when the head is turned, it appears to be more closed as well.

I don't want to read more posts about "this is a prop, we've already found the photo!" when the prop doesn't actually match the pictures 100%. I don't care if it's "very similar." There is no way to know if a fake alien prop was made based off of the real photos just to mislead the general public and, yet again, leave the "it's a hoax" fall-back explanation that the government loves to create. Even the most similar prop posted in this thread still has some notable differences and isn't close enough for me to definitively say "yep, that's the same prop."
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posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 10:32 PM
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Wow. This thread. My gut is telling me this is 100% the real deal, but my mind has seen so much fake stuff for so long, it doesn't want it to be reall. I think I need a drink and to let this just sink in. This could very well be everything we have all wanted for so long, BAM! Right in front of us. Or it could just be more disinformation..



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