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How to make the NSA lives more difficult?

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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: crazyewok

I use Ubuntu - standard Ubuntu with standard Firefox. The only time I ever seek to cover my tracks is when I am investigating things for ATS threads and go for a dip in the Darknet. For that TOR and a VPN with a cloned MAC address.

Essentially speaking, the amount of traffic they are monitoring undermines them in the long run. The more people who encrypt and tunnel, the easier their job gets... for now. That is not to say that if they want you they will not single you out and, at that point, nothing you do is going to get you off of their radar short of going totally low tech.

Of course, we discuss these matters at our PC's and then we pick up our smartphones and wander out into the world without a care - with a pocket filled with exploitable cameras, microphones, GPS, and most of our web based data to boot.



Kinda what I plan on unseeing it for. some dark net research though to be far even that not illegal for what im interested in but its good to practice good security even if its just to protect from hackers that roam in the dark reaches.

Though theoretically (and I dont support this as its illegal) you could buy a laptop with a fake ID and even if the NSA track you back they wont know your ID unless you have a web cam on or log into a sight with a ID that links to your real ID or make a credit car purchases ect. For me and you that would be overkill but that would I see be a hole in there system.

As for smart phones and GPS ect? Yeah one thing that we cant really counter.




posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:10 AM
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I named my home network CIA Van x


Maybe that'll tell them I'm safe.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:10 AM
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oopsie dupe.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

A reliable VPN with TOR - making sure everything is turned off. HTML only. Tails is handy on a thumb drive if you can access an Internet cafe' or library. Open WiFi signals are always a good friend when anonymity is concerned and most cities do have legal and free open WiFi if you know where to go.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide

It's interesting. I don't know exactly how it all works and I bet very classified but the other day I saw a doco on NSA internet snooping and apparently they have access to everything and are storing it. I'd imagine they'd get a suspect or person of interest and then access their net history. Surveillance and phone taps are probably a lot more useful to catch bad guys and get evidence for prosecutions or ...



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide
still couldn't stop the boston bombing or those school shootings though.
Like that Elliot Roger kid, he posted the video on youtube explicitly saying he would do it,
Often i think it's all a hollywood effect, you know they yap about this amazing tech that is simply not there. but it keeps the money flowing in, and keeps people on their toes, so there's that i guess.

Or we have to surrender to the fact that the NSA looks at the xboxone and, with a sad voice says "why can't we have that?"



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: crazyewok

I use Ubuntu - standard Ubuntu with standard Firefox. The only time I ever seek to cover my tracks is when I am investigating things for ATS threads and go for a dip in the Darknet. For that TOR and a VPN with a cloned MAC address.

Essentially speaking, the amount of traffic they are monitoring undermines them in the long run. The more people who encrypt and tunnel, the easier their job gets... for now. That is not to say that if they want you they will not single you out and, at that point, nothing you do is going to get you off of their radar short of going totally low tech.

Of course, we discuss these matters at our PC's and then we pick up our smartphones and wander out into the world without a care - with a pocket filled with exploitable cameras, microphones, GPS, and most of our web based data to boot.



As long as you aren't watching kiddy porn and buying/selling drugs, "They" don't care what you look at in the dark web. Lol.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Bovah

When you're looking for specific subjects at .gov and .edu sites they sometimes do care. Since I'm a believer of better safe than sorry...



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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Random NSA keywords sentence generator

example;;

Sick of having Chinese pork for dinner. I'm ordering Subway. Should put a stop to my explosive diarrhea.

She sez I have a suspicious package, but I don't have an infection. Unless it's a mutation. I h8 crabs
edit on 23-10-2014 by AttitudeProblem because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I would think the harder you try the more attention is directed to your efforts. Unless you could turn off their cooling water or electricity I would say it is to late, the cattle have left the barn..



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

One could reply - did the NSA want to stop the Boston bombings? Was there political motive not to?

On the other hand, having a sixteen year old daughter, I am aware that teens tend to get emo and post all sorts of irrational threats and statements. Ultimately, as I understand the system at Bumblehive, a human is the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes flagging and what doesn't. So even if one builds the perfect spying machine - leaving it up to humans to interpret the data leaves the system vulnerable.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
For some reason this makes me think of teasing a big nasty dog just outside the reach of his frayed old rope. In other words what are you thinking???


Yeah I used to do that as a kid


I like picking on people bigger than me


Don't you remember that list of things you don't do?

You don't tug on superman cape.
You don't spit in the wind.
You don't pull the mask off the ol lone ranger.
And you don't xxx with the government.

Or something like that...



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun




Whoever is monitoring me


Most likely it will not be ANYBODY monitoring you but rather a PROGRAM (application) that analyzes electronic data and physical data such as location,purchases,images,dialog,texts and just about anything else.

These Applicaitons are likely to be multithreaded and clustered so they won't be bogged down with false hits. They will be scalable vertically and horizontally , hot swappable and allocated on the fly as required .

The only time a human will likely intervene is solely after these applicaitions set enough flags or when they are running real time reports for a specific purpose.

I would also think connecting to the internet using tor or other type of obfuscation methods will likely set a flag in one instance of the application but not in another. It depends on what they are trying to do, most people assume the data is for preventative measures but that data can be exploited for much more.

In summary, bogging the system down is not going to do much as a form of strategy. Not using electronics and forcing them to use real people to investigate things will be much more effective in making their live more difficult if that is what you are after.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 09:51 AM
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Whenever my father and I talk on the phone we just drop 10-20 buzzwords to get them listening and then bore them with what we've been up to for the past few weeks.

It goes like this:

"Hey"
"Hey, what's up?"
"Oh, bombs, pressure cookers, 9/11, Jesse Ventura, inside job"
"Muslim terrorists, ebola, patriot, three percenter."
"So your stepmom's surgery went well..."



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

My wifi SSID is "Not A Surveillance Van".

My neighors to the left is "Just a Moving Van"

My neighbors to the right is "Totally Not a Terror Cell"

....We have fun.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

That's another approach! Totally not a terror cell LOL!!!

Yeah there are some pretty interesting ones in this neighborhood too...but we're the only alphabet agency haha.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Don't know if this applies....I was signed into google and started looking at google maps, korea...just to see the places I'd been over there during the late 1980s. The next day my pathetic blog got 20+ hits with origins in Korea.

So just use maps, look for NSA sites and do your thing. You'll be checked out.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: crazyewok

I would think the harder you try the more attention is directed to your efforts. Unless you could turn off their cooling water or electricity I would say it is to late, the cattle have left the barn..



Good point.

Maybe its best just to be anoymous in plain sight.

Though I do doubt the NSA omnipotent powers as there are limits to technology.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: crazyewok

Donkey Porn

After gigabytes of it they will just give up on you

I actually try to flare up my emails signing off with ....pressure cookers and backpacks...along with quotes from spies like us...I want them to waste time on my emails..and say "damn it..its that asshole again!"


Exactly. Put a slew of keywords in your email signature to bog down their detection software - if everyone did it, it might create enough noise that they wouldn't see the trees for the forest.

Something like:

President backpack militia tunnel hideout bomb congress patriot secret meeting cabin prepper



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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Dont know how much it messes with them, but I use an add on in Firefox called track me not...it does a constant search for random crap 24/7 in the back ground, so they dont know what your really searching for ever, they just get a never ending list of "iphone x-box" " chevy granola recipes" all day every day...


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