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Driver blamed for Total CEO Christophe de Margerie crash claims he is being framed.

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posted on Oct, 22 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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Let me begin with the back story...



Christophe de Margerie, the chief executive of French oil company Total, has died in an air crash in Moscow.

His corporate jet collided with a snow plough and was then engulfed in flames. All four people on board were killed.

The driver of the snow plough was drunk, according to Russian investigators.

Mr de Margerie, 63, had been chief executive of Europe's third largest oil company since 2007. He was highly regarded within the oil industry.

www.bbc.com...Total's CEO Chritophe de Margerie Dies in Moscow plane crash

The driver is saying he hadn't drank any alcohol at all, much less drunk. Furthermore, he believes he is being framed....




The snowplough driver blamed for the air crash which killed the chief executive of oil giant Total has denied being drunk at the wheel of his vehicle.
Vladimir Martynenkov's lawyer insisted his client was not guilty of causing the air crash which killed Christophe de Margerie and three others and totally denied the 'groundless' accusation that Mr Martynenkov was drunk.
The denials seem to imply Mr Martynenkov believes he is being framed. After 24 hours in detention so far, he is today expected to be formally arrested, allowing investigators to question him over a longer period.


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What say you, ATS?




posted on Oct, 22 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: Musing

Nobody in prison ever committed a crime, just ask them. Ask their lawyer, too.



posted on Oct, 22 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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this is in not the usa its russia wether its his fault or not hes going to prision

imo whoevers at fult unless he did it intentionaly its call a accsadent



posted on Oct, 22 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Yet everyone who questions the petrodollar ends up dead or get's his country invaded (Libya, Iraq..Syria.. etc)

Christophe de Margerie recently expressed:

“Nothing prevents anyone from paying for oil in euro,” de Margerie said in July. “The price of a barrel of oil is quoted in dollars. A refinery can take that price and using the euro-dollar exchange rate on any given day, agree to make the payment in euro.”

The US and OPEC countries have traded oil exclusively in US dollars since 1971.
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Or (naive mode) is just a coincidence...
edit on 22/10/2014 by voyger2 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 22 2014 @ 07:32 PM
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Seen as it happened in Russia, wouldnt your comment imply Russia is a champion of the Petrodollar?

Also is there any reason to dispute that the plane went down in flames because the plow was where it did not belong? If the accident was indeed due to the plow then the supposed assassing got very lucky.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Yet everyone who questions the petrodollar ends up dead or get's his country invaded (Libya, Iraq..Syria.. etc)

Christophe de Margerie recently expressed:

“Nothing prevents anyone from paying for oil in euro,” de Margerie said in July. “The price of a barrel of oil is quoted in dollars. A refinery can take that price and using the euro-dollar exchange rate on any given day, agree to make the payment in euro.”

The US and OPEC countries have traded oil exclusively in US dollars since 1971.
source

Or (naive mode) is just a coincidence...


So what is your theory, the driver did this on orders of the US, or Russia did it because they love the US petro-dollar? Or maybe it makes no sense but you need to make everything a conspiracy?



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:40 AM
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What was he doing driving a snow plow at 10,000 feet? he must have been drunk



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:47 AM
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originally posted by: Merinda
Seen as it happened in Russia, wouldnt your comment imply Russia is a champion of the Petrodollar?

Exactly.
The man is being accused by the Russian authorities.
So if he is being framed, it is the Russian authorities who are framing him.
That means any conspiracy theory about this has to be centred upon the Russian authorities.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 04:51 AM
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originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Yet everyone who questions the petrodollar ends up dead or get's his country invaded (Libya, Iraq..Syria.. etc)

Christophe de Margerie recently expressed:

“Nothing prevents anyone from paying for oil in euro,” de Margerie said in July. “The price of a barrel of oil is quoted in dollars. A refinery can take that price and using the euro-dollar exchange rate on any given day, agree to make the payment in euro.”

The US and OPEC countries have traded oil exclusively in US dollars since 1971.
source

Or (naive mode) is just a coincidence...





Did you even read the OP? This happened in Russia not the US or middle east. So maybe the finger should be pointing east and not west........Just saying.


Personally I think this was planned and the driver is innocent. What better way to solve a problem than having a accident. Russia is famous of doing crap like this . If it walks like a duck.........
edit on 23-10-2014 by SubTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Try reading his first line. Although more a hypothesis than theory.



Or maybe it makes no sense but you need to make everything a conspiracy?


Bit of a personal snipe there.... within this sites T&C? (sect 16)

Conspiracies.... on this site.... well blow me down...try using your razor on your own statement.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: CovertAgenda
Bit of a personal snipe there.... within this sites T&C? (sect 16)
.

You seriously think that the mild comment quoted comes under this wording?
" Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, libelous, defamatory, hateful, intolerant, bigoted and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone. "
Don't be silly. You will see a lot worse than that anywhere on this board.
Even on a "conspiracy site", people need to use intelligent discernment to sift out what is conspiracy and what is not, and then then to establish what kind of conspiracy is most plausible.
(A hint. If there is conspiracy in any action being carried out by Russians, it is likely to be a Russian conspiracy).



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 06:18 AM
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originally posted by: CovertAgenda
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Try reading his first line. Although more a hypothesis than theory.



Or maybe it makes no sense but you need to make everything a conspiracy?


Bit of a personal snipe there.... within this sites T&C? (sect 16)

Conspiracies.... on this site.... well blow me down...try using your razor on your own statement.


It was not a snipe, it was an honest question. This happened in Russia, who does not like the petro-dollar. So the suggestion that Russia killed someone attacking the petro-dollar is ludicrous, and can only be posted by someone who uses no critical thinking and just turns everything into a conspiracy regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

If this WAS a conspiracy then it would be the Russians killing someone who was helping the petro-dollar (not what happened), or would be someone being killed by the US, not Russia.

If you think my comment was egregious then you are welcome to your opinion, I stand by my statement, and Occam's Razor stands with me.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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What's better than killing your opponent in enemy's country ?

second.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: mypan
What's better than killing your opponent in enemy's country ?

second.


Yep.

Follow the money.

In this case, the US Petro-Dollar.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
(..)This happened in Russia, who does not like the petro-dollar. So the suggestion that Russia killed someone attacking the petro-dollar is ludicrous, (..)

Who said/suggested it was the Russians? It wasn't me. On the contrary it was you. So there it goes your "ludicrous critical thinking"

“The CIA routinely used Blackwater in missions throughout the world,” one document reads. “These efforts were made under written and unwritten contracts and through informal requests. On many occasions the CIA paid Blackwater nothing for its assistance. Blackwater also employed CIA officers and agents, and provided cover to CIA agents and officers operating in covert and clandestine assignments. In many respects, Blackwater, or at least portions of Blackwater, was an extension of the CIA.”

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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
and can only be posted by someone who uses no critical thinking and just turns everything into a conspiracy regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

Has you can see the above comment, applies very well to you.
Have a good day Sir.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 07:22 AM
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Was there even snow on the ground? The undrunk snowplow driver ("Vodka, sir? What is vodka?") had to be plowing something, and had to be given the assignment to plow in a certain location or a particular runway. It's how he got from point A to point B that's the question. And what injuries did he have after his snowplow was struck by a plane (or was he in it at the time?) ? So many questions, so little vodka, ah, I mean, no, no vodka.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: voyger2
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Yet everyone who questions the petrodollar ends up dead or get's his country invaded (Libya, Iraq..Syria.. etc)

Christophe de Margerie recently expressed:

“Nothing prevents anyone from paying for oil in euro,” de Margerie said in July. “The price of a barrel of oil is quoted in dollars. A refinery can take that price and using the euro-dollar exchange rate on any given day, agree to make the payment in euro.”

The US and OPEC countries have traded oil exclusively in US dollars since 1971.
source

Or (naive mode) is just a coincidence...





Did you even read the OP? This happened in Russia not the US or middle east. So maybe the finger should be pointing east and not west........Just saying.


Personally I think this was planned and the driver is innocent. What better way to solve a problem than having a accident. Russia is famous of doing crap like this . If it walks like a duck.........


Only that this guy wasnt a problem for Russia, quite the opposite.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Did you even read what is posted ?

I was commenting on your post, not the OP's. I never even mentioned russia.

The snipe was in the latter comments re conspiracies.

And now u say the OP "can only be posted by someone who uses no critical thinking and just turns everything into a conspiracy regardless of whether it makes sense or not"

Cant help but snipe hey....

I think u just cut yourself on your razor.



posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: voyger2

Well stated Voyager!




posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: voyger2

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
(..)This happened in Russia, who does not like the petro-dollar. So the suggestion that Russia killed someone attacking the petro-dollar is ludicrous, (..)

Who said/suggested it was the Russians? It wasn't me. On the contrary it was you. So there it goes your "ludicrous critical thinking"

“The CIA routinely used Blackwater in missions throughout the world,” one document reads. “These efforts were made under written and unwritten contracts and through informal requests. On many occasions the CIA paid Blackwater nothing for its assistance. Blackwater also employed CIA officers and agents, and provided cover to CIA agents and officers operating in covert and clandestine assignments. In many respects, Blackwater, or at least portions of Blackwater, was an extension of the CIA.”

source


originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
and can only be posted by someone who uses no critical thinking and just turns everything into a conspiracy regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

Has you can see the above comment, applies very well to you.
Have a good day Sir.

Sorry, maybe your reading skills need work. My reply stated "So what is your theory, the driver did this on orders of the US", which you are now saying yes to. So can you give a single shred of evidence of how that possibly makes sense when the driver is saying Russia is framing him? It doesn't. Please tell me how this is CIA work when the driver is claiming Russia is framing him.



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