Anyone Ever Heard of Deagel.Com?

This is a reasonable forecast as I see it. I don't think it is anything quite as sinister as some have proposed. I could however see a mass exodus, as the land of opportunity begins to afford none.

There was a new message on the site this morning. I grabbed some screenshots





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There have been many questions about the countries forecast specially the one focusing on the United States of America (USA). They won't be answered one by one but below you can find some explanation, thoughts and reflections. We are going to keep this as short as possible.

The majority of the economic and demographic data used in the making of the forecasts is widely available by institutions such as the CIA, IMF, UN, USG, etc. You can see the most relevant data at every single country's page. There is a tiny part of data coming from a variety of shadow sources such as Internet gurus, unsigned reports and others. But all these sources are from the internet and are of public domain for at least a minority. For example, several years ago Dagong, the Chinese ratings agency, published a report analyzing the physical economy of the States comparing it with those of China, Germany and Japan. The conclusion was that the US GDP was something between $5 to $10 trillion instead of $15 trillion as officially reported by the USG. We assume that the official data, especially economic, released by governments is fake, cooked or distorted in some degree. Historically it is well known that the former Soviet Union was making up fake statistics years before its collapse. Western as well as other countries are making up their numbers today to conceal their real state of affairs. We are sure that many people out there can find government statistics in their own countries that by their own personal experience are hard to believe or are so optimistic that may belong to a different country.

Despite the numeric data "quantity" there is a "quality" model which has not a direct translation into numeric data. The 2014 strain of Ebola has a death rate of 50-60% but try to imagine what would happen if there is a pandemic of Ebola with hundreds of thousands or millions infected with the virus. So far the few cases of Ebola-infected people have "enjoyed" intensive healthcare with anti-viral and breathing assistance but above all with abundant human support by Physicians and nurses. In a pandemic scenario that kind of healthcare won't be available for the overwhelming number of infected leading to a dramatic increase of the death rate due to the lack of proper healthcare. The "quality" factor is that the death rate could increase to 80-90% in a pandemic scenario from the stated 50-60% rate. The figure itself is not important what is relevant is the fact that the scenario can evolve beyond the initial conditions from a 50% death toll to more than 90%. By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

The key element to understand the process that the USA will enter in the upcoming decade is migration. In the past, specially in the 20th century, the key factor that allowed the USA to rise to its colossus status was immigration with the benefits of a demographic expansion supporting the credit expansion and the brain drain from the rest of the world benefiting the States. The collapse of the Western financial system will wipe out the standard of living of its population while ending ponzi schemes such as the stock exchange and the pension funds. The population will be hit so badly by a full array of bubbles and ponzi schemes that the migration engine will start to work in reverse accelerating itself due to ripple effects thus leading to the demise of the States. This unseen situation for the States will develop itself in a cascade pattern with unprecedented and devastating effects for the economy. Jobs offshoring will surely end with many American Corporations relocating overseas thus becoming foreign Corporations!!!! We see a significant part of the American population migrating to Latin America and Asia while migration to Europe - suffering a similar illness - won't be relevant. Nevertheless the death toll will be horrible. Take into account that the Soviet Union's population was poorer than the Americans nowadays or even then. The ex-Soviets suffered during the following struggle in the 1990s with a significant death toll and the loss of national pride. Might we say "Twice the pride, double the fall"? Nope. The American standard of living is one of the highest, far more than double of the Soviets while having added a services economy that will be gone along with the financial system. When pensioners see their retirement disappear in front of their eyes and there are no servicing jobs you can imagine what is going to happen next. At least younger people can migrate. Never in human history were so many elders among the population. In past centuries people were lucky to get to their 30s or 40s. The American downfall is set to be far worse than the Soviet Union's one. A confluence of crisis with a devastating result.

The Demographic crisis in the former Soviet Union countries has extended for over two decades, if we accept that it ended early in this decade (2010s). The demographic crisis will hit the World in the near future and is projected to last between three and eight decades more or less depending on technological breakthrough and environmental issues. The aftermath is more likely a frozen picture with the population numbers staying the same for a very, very long period of time. The countries forecast population numbers do reflect birth/deaths but also migratory movements. Many countries are going to increase their gross population due to immigration while their native population may shrink.

Over the past two thousand years we have witnessed the Western civilization built around the Mediterranean Sea shifting to Northern Europe and then by the mid 20th century shifting to an Atlantic axis to finally get centered into the States in the past 30 years. The next move will see the civilization being centered in Asia with Russia and China on top. Historically a change in the economic paradigm has resulted in a death toll that is rarely highlighted by mainstream historians. When the transition from rural areas to large cities happened in Europe many people unable to accept the new paradigm killed themselves. They killed themselves by a psychological factor. This is not mainstream but it is true. A new crisis joins old, well known patterns with new ones.

Sorry to disappoint many of you with our forecast. It is getting worse and worse every year since the beginning of the pre-crisis in 2007. It is already said that this website is non-profit, built on spare time and we provide our information and services AS IS without further explanations and/or guarantees. We are not linked to any government in any way, shape or form. We are not a death or satanic cult or arms dealers as some BS is floating around the internet on this topic. Take into account that the forecast is nothing more than a model whether flawed or correct. It is not God's word or a magic device that allows to foresee the future.

Sunday, October 26th, 2014

a reply to: phoenix9884

So illuminati?

a reply to: phoenix9884

Well, holy crap and thanks for posting that, Phoenix.

Got to say I agree with them, I just never saw it put into those bleak numbers before. If the Fed hadn't been printing up money out of thin air for the last however many years, what would our real GDP and debt levels be? And China and Russia are rapidly pulling the legs out from under the petro dollar.

And how many people would stay in the NE and Midwest states if they couldn't afford natural gas for heating, or it wasn't available? There's no way that many people can revert to wood for heating. Between the die-off of the baby boomer generation and their grandchildren being free to choose their locations (does NWO mean no borders?) the predictions seem valid.

originally posted by: KittyStix
Ok so I had to join and throw in my three cents worth.

1) There is noting "special" about the deagel.com site coding. In fact it is very basic HTML, JS and CSS.
2) The Java codes: deagel14.js and jquery.js are basic simple code. In fact these can be found on the internet and hacked to your needs. There have been JS script packages on the net as long as the net has had JS.
3) Google is linked from withing the site
4) The site search function is not some super searcher on the backend requiring "gangs of programmers" It is a simple JS query of the site itself looking for your provided keywords.

To see this for yourself get off the lame Internet Explorer and Windows. Boot Ubuntu, use Chrome, in the Menu goto tools and fire up the developer options and see the non "sinister" code yourself.

The site is very basic, no backend, not even asp coded tricks not fancy html (basic). Most likely code with Expression Web and ran on 2008-2012 Windows server. There is one ad click connection, no backend databases, no backend code beyond the JS.
Looking through the site you can find errors Like calling a Bushmaster III a 50 Cal right before saying it is a 35mm.

This is most likely a gamers site dedicated to his or her love of their gaming world, the weapons used in it and the in world history of the game as the world stats of 2025 most likely indicate.

I would not put much stock in it at all.

So, you joined today to tell us that?

Interesting!

So there's some interesting points to be taken away from the the comments I've been absent for...

1. A DNS attack on the site
- This can imply that either, someone has a disagreement with the site and wanted to bring it down for malicious purposes OR that a DNS attack was staged to put doubt in our minds. If this site is in fact run by a government organization, or subsidiaries thereof, an attack on their own site would take some heat off of the for a minute. Both in respect to scrutiny and credibility.

"We got attacked, so we're clearly not government. The government doesn't get attacked."

2. Ownership of the aforementioned domain that is owned by the same person: acoomo.com.
- I haven't dug into Acoomo yet, but if I had to guess, I'd imagine that the proposed 'development team' is building another site under the same ownership to draw attention away from Deagel - this would make sense to me.

"Yeah sure, we run this site with some population forecast stuff - but look, we're legit! We've got this other site that does other stuff!"

- The fact that it is still under construction raises some questions - we'll see how fast it turns into a functioning website.

Candidate two for extreme scrutiny: acoomo.com

Apologies for my absence over the weekend; it was rather productive. Got two new full suits and a peacoat with a couple of dress shirts and some Alfani dress shoes - probably close to $1000 worth of gear for about $60. Also got a 5.11 Tactical Concealed Carry Jacket ( Usually $100+ ) for $6.50. Goodwill. Do it.

I'm in the midst of rewriting some of my decryption stuff for analyzing the german page... debacle to improve efficiency. I wasn't getting anything after some long runs so I decided to make a couple of performance changes. Multithreading anyone?

Glad to see this is still under observation - some good comments and such - I'll be digging some more today.

a reply to: phoenix9884

Fascinating analysis. I couldn't find it there this morning, so I presume it's already been zapped from the site.

It's about damned time.

I can live with a 7 people per square mile demographic versus the current 33. Maybe that'll bring the buffalo back after a few years of it, but it's doubtful - In 1878, we had a population density about half that, and they still disappeared. Still yet, fewer cities and fewer people to compete for what we no longer produce can't be a bad thing.

What I'm taking from that analysis is that the financial buzzards who raped the US are going to move on to new population centers to rape them, and leave us alone for a while.

Yup, I can live with that.

It's China's and Latin America's turn, anyhow.

a reply to: DigitalJedi805

For the same reason lots of people post new posts on this site?

a reply to: Vaedur

The logic doesn't follow for me.

"Hey guys, check out this site I found - seems to have some scary data, what's ATS' analysis? BTW It's my site."

Seems pointless. You're entitled to your opinion though.

originally posted by: nenothtu
a reply to: phoenix9884

Fascinating analysis. I couldn't find it there this morning, so I presume it's already been zapped from the site.
Maybe that'll bring the buffalo back after a few years of it, but it's doubtful - In 1878, we had a population density about half that, and they still disappeared.

It's China's and Latin America's turn, anyhow.

Totally off-topic but since it's my thread... the bison were exterminated on orders of the U.S. military in order to drive the natives west; once the bison were gone, their way of life collapsed. In some history books you'll just read that the natives thought the white men were insane (true enough) to kill literally millions of bison for no reason and leave them to rot, but it was a tactical decision.

It would be wonderful and smart to bring back the bison; they can handle the weather changes we're experiencing far more than domestic cattle can; they'll sleep right through the most awful blizzards. Just gotta get rid of the fences all over the place and let them do their normal migrations.

Okay, back on topic; interesting that the long explanation is gone from the site already. You'd think they'd leave it up what with all the recent commotion (arriving from ATS as well as at least one other site). Maybe the guy running it is just OCD combined with an actuarial bent? If he's doing it for money, he's doing a crappy job of monetizing it.

a reply to: phoenix9884

Can't read through all of that right this second, but I find it interesting that there is mention of the Ebola pandemic - and that some of this is based on that... I thought Ebola was going to be contained and controlled 'very shortly'... Why would numbers reflect a continued pandemic? A much larger one at that...?



Good catch. Pretty interesting.

originally posted by: signalfire

It would be wonderful and smart to bring back the bison; they can handle the weather changes we're experiencing far more than domestic cattle can; they'll sleep right through the most awful blizzards. Just gotta get rid of the fences all over the place and let them do their normal migrations.

You can buy bison to farm them for a song and a dance - plus shipping - but they're pretty hard-headed as farm critters go. There was some effort a few years ago to breed them with domestic cattle to try and breed-in the best of both worlds, but I don't think in panned out as they had hoped. Too many of the "desired" traits were mutually exclusive. I can remember buying "beefalo" steak in the 80's. The last buffalo I ate cost 4 dollars a pound, in the 90's. It was good, though, and good for you, being quite a lot leaner than beef.

Okay, back on topic; interesting that the long explanation is gone from the site already. You'd think they'd leave it up what with all the recent commotion (arriving from ATS as well as at least one other site). Maybe the guy running it is just OCD combined with an actuarial bent? If he's doing it for money, he's doing a crappy job of monetizing it.

I don't think he's in it for the money, but I'm not really sure what he IS in it for. The appearing-disappearing text in apparent response to speculation is odd - it's as if he puts it up just long enough for someone specific to get hold of it, then disappears it. There's no doubt that it's being posted there as a response, but no indication as to why it just stays a short time then POOF! it's gone.

originally posted by: DigitalJedi805
a reply to: phoenix9884

Can't read through all of that right this second, but I find it interesting that there is mention of the Ebola pandemic - and that some of this is based on that... I thought Ebola was going to be contained and controlled 'very shortly'... Why would numbers reflect a continued pandemic? A much larger one at that...?

Good catch. Pretty interesting.

The post specifically said :

By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

The upshot of the "Ebola" paragraph was apparently an attempt to illustrate how some factors are not necessarily accounted for in determining the impact of any single event, rather than as an indictment of Ebola in the collapse of America forecasted.

It says that an event with a certain kill rate under optimal conditions can get out of hand when conditions become less than optimal due to other determinant factors, and used the Ebola epidemic as a potential example, but not a factor in the forecast.

It goes on to say instead that the apparent population decrease is forecast to be driven by migration away from America as the economy continues to head down the crapper. We lose people which other countries then gain via the migration. There IS a pretty high mortality rate forecast to work in tandem with the migration, probably a result partially of competent doctors and such leaving town for greener pastures. Other factors would then include such things as the price of medicine to control conditions overwhelming the economic ability of patients who remain, and that sort of thing. He uses the collapse and chaos of the Soviet Union as an example of how it's forecast to go, but also says the fall will be harder here, because we have farther to fall.

Looking through some of the other country data, I found that Switzerland of all places, and most all of the Scandinavian countries also had horrendous population declines. Even the UK was forecast to decline by just short of half. Communist (whether in reality or name only) and seriously left-leaning countries appeared to fare better, but I don't think the underlying reason for that was because of their economic/political ideology, I think it is because they are perceived as being ripe for the pickings at the moment, whereas most "western" countries are already picked over and ragged out.

The underlying predicate seems to be the migration of "western" civilization, and the assumption that it moves on, like a swarm of locusts, as it devastates each area it alights in. The post specifies that it started out around the Mediterranean then migrated northward, then westward to North America, and that it's path of destruction now leads even further westward (and apparently has a fork heading southward), going west around the planet to the "east", which is next on the agenda according to the forecast.

Why Switzerland? All I can think of is the reputation of Switzerland as an economic power player, which fits in with the above scenario, as financial centers move to the eastern hemisphere. It's not likely to be war or disease or famine, the traditional apocalyptic horsemen. Switzerland has pretty fair defenses against all of the above, currently. When was the last time Switzerland was invaded?

SO - I don't think it's a "doomsday" prediction, just a model of how they expect global economics to shift, and the attendant population shift as people "follow the money", and as those who either elect not to or can't afford to follow it learn to deal with a harsh new reality, many of whom will die in the learning process. Following the economic and population shifts, the "east" can expect to have their resources and finances plundered, not to mention the influx of migrants which will irrevocably alter their culture.

That has ALWAYS been the way of the world.

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: DigitalJedi805
a reply to: phoenix9884

Can't read through all of that right this second, but I find it interesting that there is mention of the Ebola pandemic - and that some of this is based on that... I thought Ebola was going to be contained and controlled 'very shortly'... Why would numbers reflect a continued pandemic? A much larger one at that...?

Good catch. Pretty interesting.

The post specifically said :

By the way, no pandemic or nuclear war is included in the forecast.

The upshot of the "Ebola" paragraph was apparently an attempt to illustrate how some factors are not necessarily accounted for in determining the impact of any single event, rather than as an indictment of Ebola in the collapse of America forecasted.

It says that an event with a certain kill rate under optimal conditions can get out of hand when conditions become less than optimal due to other determinant factors, and used the Ebola epidemic as a potential example, but not a factor in the forecast.

It goes on to say instead that the apparent population decrease is forecast to be driven by migration away from America as the economy continues to head down the crapper. We lose people which other countries then gain via the migration. There IS a pretty high mortality rate forecast to work in tandem with the migration, probably a result partially of competent doctors and such leaving town for greener pastures. Other factors would then include such things as the price of medicine to control conditions overwhelming the economic ability of patients who remain, and that sort of thing. He uses the collapse and chaos of the Soviet Union as an example of how it's forecast to go, but also says the fall will be harder here, because we have farther to fall.

Looking through some of the other country data, I found that Switzerland of all places, and most all of the Scandinavian countries also had horrendous population declines. Even the UK was forecast to decline by just short of half. Communist (whether in reality or name only) and seriously left-leaning countries appeared to fare better, but I don't think the underlying reason for that was because of their economic/political ideology, I think it is because they are perceived as being ripe for the pickings at the moment, whereas most "western" countries are already picked over and ragged out.

The underlying predicate seems to be the migration of "western" civilization, and the assumption that it moves on, like a swarm of locusts, as it devastates each area it alights in. The post specifies that it started out around the Mediterranean then migrated northward, then westward to North America, and that it's path of destruction now leads even further westward (and apparently has a fork heading southward), going west around the planet to the "east", which is next on the agenda according to the forecast.

Why Switzerland? All I can think of is the reputation of Switzerland as an economic power player, which fits in with the above scenario, as financial centers move to the eastern hemisphere. It's not likely to be war or disease or famine, the traditional apocalyptic horsemen. Switzerland has pretty fair defenses against all of the above, currently. When was the last time Switzerland was invaded?

SO - I don't think it's a "doomsday" prediction, just a model of how they expect global economics to shift, and the attendant population shift as people "follow the money", and as those who either elect not to or can't afford to follow it learn to deal with a harsh new reality, many of whom will die in the learning process. Following the economic and population shifts, the "east" can expect to have their resources and finances plundered, not to mention the influx of migrants which will irrevocably alter their culture.

That has ALWAYS been the way of the world.

Well thank you for the synopsis - trying to squeeze ATS in between work - but I have to ask ( just to play jesus' advocate ) - do you think that economical or immigratory changes will have an effect of over 200 million people in 10 years? I don't even think that's possible.

This also doesn't account for the numerous other countries that drop in population by the millions or tens of millions - or the 200 million overall drop worldwide.

I suppose that somewhere in that text there is some attempted reasoning for all of this, but I just don't buy that it doesn't have something to do with 'population quelling'.

The lack of revealing sources also raises some questions.

Furthermore - there isn't any news coverage or much else on the internet revolving around this site other than this thread - why would they be so quick to try and stifle the conception being generated from 'a conspiracy site'?

Aside from the fact that conspiracy theorists are frighteningly frequently right.

a reply to: DigitalJedi805

Re: acoomo.com

Acoomo.com Housing and Hotels in the United States of America (USA)

source

I saw a post on scamadvisor from right after the site was registeted asking if the site was legit.

Seems at odds with the deagel.com page, but what do I know?

originally posted by: DigitalJedi805

Well thank you for the synopsis - trying to squeeze ATS in between work - but I have to ask ( just to play jesus' advocate

) - do you think that economical or immigratory changes will have an effect of over 200 million people in 10 years? I don't even think that's possible.

No, I don't think so - but then I'm not the one who made the projection. When I was running through the stats listed for various nations, I recall thinking how odd it was that the US had a mega-decrease and Mexico and points south had an INCREASE. The thought crossed my mind then about a "reverse migration", and the message cited above seems to confirm that impression.

Expats have been steadily increasing for the past several years, and recently the US has rather steeply hiked the fees associated with renouncing one's citizenship (around a 20X increase - not a tiny one to sneeze at) in an apparent effort to stem the tide of departures. Granted, the trickle so far isn't going to lead to a reduction of over 200M at the rate it's going, but everything has to start somewhere, and it DOES seem to have some government types worried. They see their tax base skittering away.

I could see a mass exodus conceivably, and a concurrent "die off" among the stay-behinds for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't think it could all occur within one decade, even if we factored a disease epidemic AND a nuclear war in for good measure. 250 million of anything is a lot of motion.

So no, I don't think so, but the projection isn't mine, either.

This also doesn't account for the numerous other countries that drop in population by the millions or tens of millions - or the 200 million overall drop worldwide.

I suppose that somewhere in that text there is some attempted reasoning for all of this, but I just don't buy that it doesn't have something to do with 'population quelling'.

I could see the world-wide population drop within a decade, but not the mass movements. I don't think they could get the massive localized declines in many countries OR the increases in others in any way (population quelling included) over a term as short as a decade.

I just don't think that we have any sort of technology currently (nuclear included) that could do that.

The lack of revealing sources also raises some questions.

Furthermore - there isn't any news coverage or much else on the internet revolving around this site other than this thread - why would they be so quick to try and stifle the conception being generated from 'a conspiracy site'?

Aside from the fact that conspiracy theorists are frighteningly frequently right.

It seems to be pretty hot amongst several doom-and-gloomers, not just this thread, although I have an uneasy feeling that the "responses" posted there are in part at least being driven by this thread.

a reply to: DigitalJedi805

Great subjet, I have been following this thread since posted.
I can't help thinking that water has a role to play in these predictions, so I did a bit of a search and came up with this.

780 million people lack access to an improved water source; approximately one in nine people.

water.org...

water.org...

a reply to: DigitalJedi805

acoomo.com
with screen snips

I get this going straight at it.




I get this going through proxy and none of the city links are active, as far as I can tell.




I find it very interesting that it is blocked, at least to me when going direct. Not sure if others get the same. I may have poked the bear one too many times.

so basically my one line analysis was spot on. a reply to: phoenix9884

originally posted by: DondeEsta?
so basically my one line analysis was spot on. a reply to: phoenix9884

It would appear so. This just gets more intriguing. They do emphasize that there will be a lot of deaths; however it will be due more to a breakdown of facilities, services and care and not the actual pandemic. The world population does reduce to 6.9 million though so there will be casualties all over.