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Ok, separation of ideas individually from themselves and their host and from baby boomers

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posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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I want to discuss the idea of creating separation between ideas as they exist on their own and also between ideas and their host or the person of the idea.

I think within the realm of debate it's good to distinguish between these variables to really get down to brass tax to eliminate emotional reactions and being able to see the difference in the ego of the individual and the actual idea itself.

I think this is a philosophy as well as a strategy for debate.



edit on 10/21/2014 by onequestion because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Deep topic.

Do you have any specific subject?



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I'll come back when I get home with a response.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Ok.

And idea, such as... Or an observation about an event.

1) Let's say someone sees the Matt brown shooting and they make an observation about how they thought the events went down.

2) Then you see them have an idea about another event in another thread.

You read both observations.

On observation 1, you strongly disagree with this person. But on 2 you agree. Well, in this situation it's good to differentiate between a, the observation in situation one from the observer. It gives you room to formulate an opinion about the idea rather then the person. It's also good to create separation between situation 1, and 2 and look at situation 2 independently of how you feel about the person, or their observations.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Lemme see if I got this right.

You believe that the individual can influence the description of an event (and the subsequent discussion) simply based on the character of the individual?

I would agree.

But before I go on, am I on the right track?



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Hmmmmm...

Im having a tough time comprehending you here so let me ask what may seem like stupid questions for clarification.

What do you mean influence the descritpion of the event?



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

Hmmmmm...

Im having a tough time comprehending you here so let me ask what may seem like stupid questions for clarification.

What do you mean influence the descritpion of the event?


Perception and facts aren't always on the same page.

A parent may swat a child on the butt if the child is naughty.
Fact.

Perception?
Someone may see it as child abuse, and color the description as a beating.

Another may see it as discipline and describe it accordingly.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

Hmmmmm...

Im having a tough time comprehending you here so let me ask what may seem like stupid questions for clarification.

What do you mean influence the descritpion of the event?


Perception and facts aren't always on the same page.

A parent may swat a child on the butt if the child is naughty.
Fact.

Perception?
Someone may see it as child abuse, and color the description as a beating.

Another may see it as discipline and describe it accordingly.


Ahh I get it.

They are not their perception of the event. here is where I seperate how they see the event from them. By having an emotional response and reacting at that person for that perception what I mean is you react towards the idea and attack their perception of the event.

Ok, are we making progress here?



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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Oh I have another example.

How about, instead of thinking, this person is dumb, think this idea or perception is dumb, but don't treat this person as if they are dumb for their perception.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Yeah. You can take many threads here for example.

Take a biased source, take an inflammatory quote, put in your own spin, and *ta-da!*

You've got a thread that would influence the reader right in the onset.

We're all guilty of it, simply because our Id, Ego, Super Ego aren't separate. They compete from time to time, but the personal influence and bias is always there.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
Oh I have another example.

How about, instead of thinking, this person is dumb, think this idea or perception is dumb, but don't treat this person as if they are dumb for their perception.


Ha!

That takes a level of maturity that I'm still working on, and I'm an old guy.

It's a good level to strive for, however.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

I think thinking like this as you. Formulate a response for a debate or I teraction is important because it lets you see some of the ego and move away from it.nif your paying attention and constantly improving your perspective and self.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

To be truly objective, on any given topic, mean you have to remove all preconceptions of the topic and of the person providing the data, and at the same time, extrapolate the truth from the bias of the originating OP.

*whew*

You're making me think for a Tuesday night!



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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Yes! You get it! Wonderful interpretation. Now if we could only get more people to view this topic.

Maybe I should change the title to hating on baby boomers or Jewish people.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

If you go through my thread history you can see I've been plYing with this for a while.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

If you go through my thread history you can see I've been plYing with this for a while.


That's why I chose to respond.


We don't always agree, but you do provide thought-provoking topics.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Thanks.

And the beauty and importance of it is that we don't always agree. And this thought process is perfect for that perspective.

Such as... Even though we don't always agree Beezer I can discern between the ideas you support and have from ones I like and don't like but also from you as in I can observe the differences within you're frame of character and work off and with those difference.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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And the non judgment aspect of working with those variables and understanding those same variables within yourself will be some of the first step towards eliminating the egoic mind.

Look what I did to the thread title see if we get any activity :p
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posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:38 PM
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I think that if you "flesh out" a topic, give it dimension, then any response you give with possibly be more accurate.

And using a "filter" may help with that.



posted on Oct, 21 2014 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion

Look what I did to the thread title see if we get any activity :p


LMAO!





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