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Don't be so damn ignorant as to accept this "reacted to motion as he was trained" bull plop.
originally posted by: IamAbeliever
originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa
originally posted by: IamAbeliever
These f#cking pigs are out of control. They better prepare themselves for the coming war.
How does this make me a troll? Because I speak the truth?
Most of these cowards have never gone up against anything that shoots back. Pigs. That's all they are.
originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: FraggleRock
Let me start by saying that I think this a a huge tragedy and think that raids like this should essentially be done away with. The risks far outweigh the reward. There are far too many mistakes made. Most of these SWAT teams are not trained well enough, and suck far too much money from the taxpayer while simultaneously endangering everyone involved (or in the vicinity).
That beautiful little girl didn't need to die.
In response to your question though:
Because they charged him with involuntary manslaughter. Involuntary manslaughter is reckless behavior that kills someone (without any intent) like a DUI, or killing someone on accident while committing another crime.
Of course everyone is going to say he was acting recklessly since he had his finger on the trigger and was bumped (which I don't buy), or that just participating in a no knock raid is reckless (which I agree with most of the time, certainly in this instance). But were his actions actually reckless?
I don't think anyone can say definitively. I don't know how to phrase this without it sounding jackbootish, but it wasn't his job to pick the door he went through. He didn't make the massive f-up getting the incorrect address. An analogy that I admit is a bit of a stretch would be being the guy that hits the button to demolish a building and kills someone because the person in charge of assuring that wouldn't happen did a crappy job. I think he is indeed a scapegoat.
So the problem here is that there is no 100% proof. Juries are instructed that if there is reasonable doubt they can't lay blame. There is reasonable doubt that Weekley wasn't bumped by the grandmother, just as there is reasonable doubt that he was. Yes, the girl is dead and we know who pulled the trigger, but if there is still some doubt the jury shouldn't be sentencing. You have to take two people at their word, and when that happens there is enough doubt. The same would be true if they were trying to charge the Grandmother.
Now do I think the Grandmother bumped the gun? I was going to say I was 90% sure she couldn't have, but I was thinking about how my place is set up. The couch is a LOOONG way from the front door in my home. If these folks had the couch right next to the door, I can see someone being startled and smacking at a gun. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable unless I see a layout of the house at the time of the raid.
So unless there is 100% proof that the cop was negligent (to a level that would satisfy a court) I can certainly see how the case keeps getting thrown out. It's distasteful, but it should be that way.
I think we all want someone to be punished when a child is shot in the head, but I don't think this thing is that black and white. The law isn't about vengeance. There is a reason for these protections. We should all be assured them.
+++++I'm going to use this as an opportunity to say that ALL cops need to be wearing body cameras. ESPECIALLY guys on SWAT teams. They will pay for themselves by knocking out frivolous lawsuits that routinely end up as settlements because it's cheaper than having the lawyers fight. They've been proven to drastically reduce reports of brutality. If this cop was wearing one the trial would have been over in minutes.+++++
originally posted by: framedragged
a reply to: TzarChasm
But at the same time, two separate juries haven't found the 'officer' guilty of anything. How can public opinion possibly be so split about shooting a 7 year old after flashbanging her and her grandma? How could any jury possibly believe that the grandma went for the gun after being flashbanged?
originally posted by: dreamingawake
This is sick beyond words but can it be seen finally what this has come to? Will leave this and in memory of lives torn apart:
First they came for the homeless but i didn't care I wasn't homeless.
Then they came for the peaceful protestors, I didn't care because I don't protest.
Then they came for someone who was complying after being pulled over for a violation.
Then they came for my neighbors, I didn't care because I don't do anything wrong.
Then they came for my dog, but I didn't care because he was barking, that scared the officer.
Then they came for my... children...
originally posted by: BigEvil
Hmm, seems like this happened back in May 2010, but this is the first time I am hearing of it.
According to the accused; the girl's Grandmother was trying to grab ahold of his gun in trying to grab her granddaughter. When she went to grab his gun, he fired.
originally posted by: BlastedCaddy
What is going on? I was a LEO for some time back in the late 90s to early 2ks. I thought that was what I wanted to do. Be a cop... In my youth I was surrounded by great cops in a small PD. I grew and became determined that I wanted to be just like them. So I graduated HS and went into the Police Academy before my first semester at college. I was trained to meet with equal force. If a guy had a gun I was to draw my gun. If they had a knife I had OC, a taser and a baton. If they had nothing I had me and my partner. I joined the PD and the faces had changed. The good cops had retired. I was party to no warrant searches and bribes. I saw things in such a little town that I had never seen before. I did not last long.
15 years ago I realized what was coming down the pipe. I wanted no part of it... Just before my resignation and returning to school full time the State AG, the State Police and The FBI shut the town down. Fired everyone but the 4 old timers. Hired a Hollywood chief and restocked the force. Only a handful of the fired cops returned to police work. That Hollywood chief went on to have his own show on TV where he used psychic kids to help solve murders. Since then the town has changed and it has changed for the worse. Community policing does not exist where it should in such a small town. Its reactive policing not proactive. That has been the trend of that town for the past 15 years as it is the trend these days all over.
Good luck and keep safe everyone.
Praise the good cops because there are not enough and I'm sure they don't hear it enough. Protect yourself from the bad cops. If you don't no one will.
originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
First off I am deeply saddened by this tragic event. A child should never have their life cut short.
I understand why people are blaming the SWAT team here and rightfully so. But full scale the blame is on the stupidity of the american people. 100's of millions of just plain stupid people. There is a reason we have the police state the way it is. It's all of these stupid people that ruin it for the smart one's like myself. (By smart I mean not putting myself at risk or my families at risk because of illegal activity).
originally posted by: Battleline
a reply to: bigman88
In the past I have looked down on rioters and demonstrator's that have shown there anger by hitting the streets, I have always thought there was a better way, but this has hit me hard and I think I would be right there next to them.
WHERE !!! are the Sharpton's and Jacksons where there is a true event to stand up to, where are the people in the streets calling for this murdering "COPS" head.
At the very least I hope the family sue this defect for wrongful death. This cop just shot in a haze of smoke without even caring what he hit, intell should have told them there was a child in the house....INTELL, that's a joke !!!