Is there an organized effort to undermine the Aliens and UFOs forum?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Wow! You must have a hammer because you've hit the nail on the head beautifully.

Know that are not alone in your assertions. There are still intelligent critical thinkers out there. Starred.

OG

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originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: HomerinNC
What I find sad is some people are so DESPERATE for validation about the presence of ET here, is they will grasp at anything and hold onto it almost in a fanatic zeal, and any arguments to give a rational or conventional explanation are met with major hostility and denial that there can be an erthly reason.
It really ruins it for the rest of us who really want the truth and will filter out all other rational explanations.

Yea but what if your explanations are not rational? At that point you are just grasping at straws.

OG

Just a question Orion, as you felt the need to reply to HomerinNCs post not directed at anyone in particular but a post in my opinion that might draw a poster that the post itself is describing.


Are you a person desperate to validate the presence of ET here?

I've always found it fascinating how no credible news source can report on anything UFO related without doing it in a tongue in cheek manner without a smirks and open distain. Even if it's a legitimate news story like the Phoenix lights, where people have valid questions and concerns.

It doesn't seem to matter if you're a Harvard professor, a Physicist, an astronaut or a former minister of defense, if you publically reveal that you are a proponent of the extra terestrial hypothesis your motivations, reputation and even your sanity is instantly brought into question by the mainstream media.

My question is how did it become this way? Why is it that regardless of a persons background, education, character, etc, they are written off as a joke if they take serious interest in this phenomenon. My best sense is that it's a result of an intentional campaign of disinformation, hoaxes and character assassination. I also believe that many of the players in the disinfo and hoaxes are completely unwitting pawns duped and used as the means to an end. Often with horrible consequences.

When I take someone like Jacque Vallee and attempt to read between the lines of his sometimes vague and cryptic statements what I come away with is that PTB has no idea what it's dealing with yet they use the phenomenon for their own purposes. A high percentage of what we are seeing maybe 90-95% are explainable, military testing, hoaxes, etc. but that small percentage of inexplicable events are just that, completely inexplicable. The military is most definitely testing various "things" on its own citizens and using the ufo/abductee phenomenon and as cover. They can basically do anything they want to any of us and if they mask it as an alien encounter there isn't a credible media outlet or any law enforcement agency that will take anything we say seriously.

Its obvious to me that the propaganda campaign to suppress any sincere discussion of this subject is very active on the internet. I was just somewhat surprised to see it so blatantly at work here on ATS...and so accepted.

a reply to: duaneology

I've always found it fascinating how no credible news source can report on anything UFO related without doing it in a tongue in cheek manner without a smirks and open distain.

A couple years back a local media crew followed up on some guy claiming to capture many UFOs buzzing over Denver, At least I think it was Denver.

The guy was capturing these Ufos from a hill around lunch time every day, the news crew sent an aircraft observer and special camera set ups to capture as well and they did.

The aircraft specialist said what was captured isnt anything we have.

The footage to me and others might agree was of bugs, clearly it was bugs, however I remember the story being serious and many believers trying to say that the media wouldn't be that stupid or wouldn't let the story go and promote it as UFOs instead of bugs and not having a story is a lot better for ratings.

There was thread here on ATS, someone might remember it, I cant remember what the outcome was, if the story was corrected of its still believed they captured UFOs.

But there was no joking or ridicule that I remember from the medias side on that one.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

I'd be very interested to see that. As I said earlier in my experience it's been rare, almost non-existent to see credible news agencies reporting on the phenomenon in a sincere and respectful manner.

a reply to: DJW001

"Which is more reasonable" is not the way to discover any true answer, but it IS what we see the debunkers do because THEY don't want to even know what is going on, they just want everyone else to choose their version, which, as you said, is the choice of 2 guesses.
Scientific deduction includes various things based on observation as well as repeatable experimentation shows.

The choice you left out, (because you don't believe there are "flying saucers" of a nut and bolts nature, or maybe you do), is that something real and not imagined or mundane, is utilizing an as of yet publicly undiscovered method of changing natural gravitational forces into a directed force that can be controlled through real physical processes. (if you think this is unreasonable, please explain why you think so. (Even the new DARPA spacecraft are (rumoured) and even more than rumoured to utilize devices that lower mass which changes inertia effects), so all of this isn't even far fetched at all.

The military in the USA hired scientists way back and told them the Russians had made a big breakthrough in how the "flying disks" were propelled (wasn't true actually), but those scientists began working on the problems without any preconceived belief that it was futile to try, and they made huge gains and learned things that are still stated as classified today.

I already know this process is understood by those in black projects because I have close friends who have direct knowledge of it, and I personally have worked on a couple. There are also tons of publicly available well documented in literature examples showing much more is happening than is currently officially acknowledged.

People can come here and pretend this info is unknown and will even act like what they know is the cutting edge of what everyone else knows. I know there is much more that I don't know yet, then what I already know, but the debunkers act like what they know is the latest knowledge anyone has currently. Remember the sociological angle I mentioned before. These factors are what gives away peoples little personal secrets about motives. (Not about you necessarily, just mentioning it because it always plays a part in what we see happening with pretty much everything where knowledge is a closely guarded and guided ongoing effort. (It isn't just about fact from fiction, it is also motive and manipulation, and that is exactly what directs us closer to truth when we are constantly subjected to disinformation.

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: Wolfenz

Took the many words right out of my mouth. I sometimes wonder if a poster is even talking to the right person because the replies are waay off what the original poster says.

It's like they make up their own version of your post and then reply to that!

OG

just as the Title of this Thread is !

"Is there an organized effort to undermine the Aliens and UFOs forum?"

It sure looks like its exactly what they are doing ... Trolling

To Deliberately RailRoad You Off and The Thread Off

Pushing Buttons..

Here is a Tip for Identifying a Dis info Agent or a Troll

1) Look at Their History of Posts and Reply's in Their Profile
2) Look at their Entry Date , Their Count Post, No Avatar
3) Sticking Only to One Forum or Subject.
4) and Derailing Evey ATS Member to get them to seek Links or Legit Proof that they easily can do themselves
5) a Immediate quick Reply.. on just about Anything .. like they were a Group of Agents

A Dis info Agent Attempts to Steer People Away from the Reality of the Truth and just gives about 20% of the Truth
to Cover The Man Behind the Curtain Or Pulls the Curtain Back Reviling Him but saying he isn't the Wizard just a Plain Man. behind the Controls.. in a Satire way. more like a Raid a CIA/FBI invades a Building looking for something particular say Top Secret Documents. Trashing the Place Looking for a Safe or a Locked Case . and they do not find it and its Right in front of them on a Desk, Rolled up, Banded on the Desk next to a Pile of other Documents looking the same way. and that how disinformation works.. They Could be telling 80% of the Truth and 20% Falsifying causing to to Be Hoaxed & Invalid. Loosing its credentials. It Depends on Who Side The DIS Agents are On for a Cover Up or Protection.. Would a World Wide Panic Happen if The Government Around the World said Yes there are Other beings in The Universe/Dimension that has came here to Earth ? I would Tend to think So.. Humans are Not Ready Yet.. We are Still a Civ Type ZERO! WE are still in the Crib. OF Course we are Not Alone That Should be Common Knowledge.
Its a Question if They are Advanced Enough to Come Here. Sentient Species/lifeforms Millions to Billions Older then Us.



Dis Info Claims

In the First Breath
80% False/Fiction 20% Truth/Fact

In the Second Breath
20% False/Fiction 80% Truth/Fact

and that Would Be Dr J Allan Hynak

A Falsifier to a Believer

After Retirement aka Released


Interesting

Dr. Hynek Tells The Truth About The UFO Blue Book Project


A Clip from. UFO: It Has Begun

Dr. J Allen Hynek Admits Astronomers do see UFO's ! (1977)




MY Apology ATS .. of My Spelling & Grammar.. I'm not a Micky Spillane but at least You Know its Me.. with the Misspelled and Missing Letters Etc..

a reply to: Wolfenz

Here is a Tip for Identifying a Dis info Agent or a Troll

1) Look at Their History of Posts and Reply's in Their Profile
2) Look at their Entry Date , Their Count Post, No Avatar
3) Sticking Only to One Forum or Subject.
4) and Derailing Evey ATS Member to get them to seek Links or Legit Proof that they easily can do themselves
5) a Immediate quick Reply.. on just about Anything .. like they were a Group of Agents

1) Many are on the fence when it comes to the subject matter and play devils advocate. Hardly a smoking gun.
2) Judging someone based on their length of time here or their post count eliminates any new members as being legit.
3) Again, not everyone cares about the other forum topics, like prepping or political bickering and choose to post in the forum that interests them.
4) Lol, since when is requesting sources for one's claims evidence of being a disinfo agent? That's just silly.
5) When I post I treat it as a discussion and try to respond in a timely manner to keep the discussion going. I'm sure many others do the same. It doesn't mean we're a team of govt disinfo trolls.

It's been my experience that those who are desperately looking for boogymen will find them. Regardless of if they actually exist or not.

originally posted by: duaneology
a reply to: Wolfenz

Here is a Tip for Identifying a Dis info Agent or a Troll

1) Look at Their History of Posts and Reply's in Their Profile
2) Look at their Entry Date , Their Count Post, No Avatar
3) Sticking Only to One Forum or Subject.
4) and Derailing Evey ATS Member to get them to seek Links or Legit Proof that they easily can do themselves
5) a Immediate quick Reply.. on just about Anything .. like they were a Group of Agents

1) Many are on the fence when it comes to the subject matter and play devils advocate. Hardly a smoking gun.
2) Judging someone based on their length of time here or their post count eliminates any new members as being legit.
3) Again, not everyone cares about the other forum topics, like prepping or political bickering and choose to post in the forum that interests them.
4) Lol, since when is requesting sources for one's claims evidence of being a disinfo agent? That's just silly.
5) When I post I treat it as a discussion and try to respond in a timely manner to keep the discussion going. I'm sure many others do the same. It doesn't mean we're a team of govt disinfo trolls.

It's been my experience that those who are desperately looking for boogymen will find them. Regardless of if they actually exist or not.

You're right. A significant segment of people interested in strange phenomena (UFOS, Bigfoot, whatever) treat their beliefs like religious beliefs. They get bent out of shape if you don't accept their beliefs as facts and they don't understand how you could not "see the light" unless you're a troller/disinformation agent/agent of Satan. They'd be much more comfortable if they simply posted to other members of their congregation but feel a need to convert people. And so it continues. I don't know what the solution is.

a reply to: Tangerine

Well said.

originally posted by: duaneology

I've always found it fascinating how no credible news source can report on anything UFO related without doing it in a tongue in cheek manner without a smirks and open distain. Even if it's a legitimate news story like the Phoenix lights, where people have valid questions and concerns...............

Its obvious to me that the propaganda campaign to suppress any sincere discussion of this subject is very active on the internet. I was just somewhat surprised to see it so blatantly at work here on ATS...and so accepted.

I tend to agree with you on this point as for most of my life there has always been a "smirk" factor to many UFO stories presented in the national media. Local TV & radio were always a bit more open minded with their stories.

Not always the case though . Here in the UK the "Strange But True" ITV series presented a reasonably open minded investigation of the Rendlesham case some 20 years ago. Although it's a very distant childhood memory I seem to remember the New Zealand UFO case in 1978 being treated very seriously by the national news. However it always seemed like the last word was given to the sceptics (or de-bunkers call them what you want).

originally posted by: mirageman


I tend to agree with you on this point as for most of my life there has always been a "smirk" factor to many UFO stories presented in the national media. Local TV & radio were always a bit more open minded with their stories.

Not always the case though . Here in the UK the "Strange But True" ITV series presented a reasonably open minded investigation of the Rendlesham case some 20 years ago. Although it's a very distant childhood memory I seem to remember the New Zealand UFO case in 1978 being treated very seriously by the national news. However it always seemed like the last word was given to the sceptics (or de-bunkers call them what you want).

Reporters face the same ridicule that anyone who talks about this subject faces. Their careers are largely based on their reputations. Many of them resent being sent to cover that which they consider to be "silly" stories and they're immediately inundated by the usual assortment of characters who want the reporter to slant the coverage to support their pet theories. As far as newspapers are concerned, it takes a reporter who takes the subject seriously plus a an editor who takes it seriously plus a publisher who takes it seriously to get a "straight" article published. That's a rare triple combination.

When it comes to major newspapers like the "New York Times" (selected only because it's big, not for political reasons), where government agents are probably planted on the staff, there may be other agendas at work. Even bringing up a theory and ridiculing it plants that theory in people's minds. For a segment of the population inclined to believe (perhaps for good reason) that disinformation agents are involved, it only reinforces their belief in that theory--even though that theory may have originally been manufactured by disinformation agents.

I knew a sheriff who personally witnessed UFOS (unknown lights in the sky moving erratically over a local river) and suffered tremendous ridicule for mentioning it. Soon after, one of his deputies had a rather spectacular sighting (large craft just above his patrol car in a rural setting while on his rounds). He knocked on my door at 3 AM to tell me about it. He was very exited and had to tell someone he could trust but knew he couldn't tell anyone at the "cop shop".

It's a very rare person who will defy his/her peer group. That's human nature and possibly encoded in our DNA. Our species survived by distinguishing between self and other: self being anyone in our group. To defy the group is a dangerous undertaking. I suspect that most people who have an abiding interest in strange phenomena have been liminal people all their lives and, thus, don't identify with THE GROUP. We find it difficult to understand the behavior of those who are firmly in THE GROUP.

originally posted by: The GUT
Roswell sounded good to me at one time. It seemed to possibly hold answers, but on closer inspection it falls easily apart, imo.

I only had a cursory knowledge of Roswell prior to your comment. I decided to search ATS for various opinions. I found Gazrok's thread which seems to cover a lot of the information. I was disappointed to see that there was very little discussion of his material.

Could you elaborate on your position?

I also posted in Gazrok's conclusion thread if you care to post there.

The Case for Roswell: Part IV (Section B) Conclusion Thread

Thanks!

originally posted by: duaneology
a reply to: Wolfenz

Here is a Tip for Identifying a Dis info Agent or a Troll

1) Look at Their History of Posts and Reply's in Their Profile
2) Look at their Entry Date , Their Count Post, No Avatar
3) Sticking Only to One Forum or Subject.
4) and Derailing Evey ATS Member to get them to seek Links or Legit Proof that they easily can do themselves
5) a Immediate quick Reply.. on just about Anything .. like they were a Group of Agents

1) Many are on the fence when it comes to the subject matter and play devils advocate. Hardly a smoking gun.
2) Judging someone based on their length of time here or their post count eliminates any new members as being legit.
3) Again, not everyone cares about the other forum topics, like prepping or political bickering and choose to post in the forum that interests them.
4) Lol, since when is requesting sources for one's claims evidence of being a disinfo agent? That's just silly.
5) When I post I treat it as a discussion and try to respond in a timely manner to keep the discussion going. I'm sure many others do the same. It doesn't mean we're a team of govt disinfo trolls.

It's been my experience that those who are desperately looking for boogymen will find them. Regardless of if they actually exist or not.

Isn't this Thread about A Organized Effort to Undermine UFO & ALIENS Forum ?

Is what I Believe in Not saying all.. but some when you look in their Profile.

1) of Course .. People are on the Fence But I see a Pattern.. in Some When They Focus Only in One Subject Seeking out One Thing One Subject out of the many Category's of ATS

2) When They just Seek Out Just One Particular Subject in a Forum of One Particular Thread as Example in the UFO Aliens Forum The Roswell Incident and Only The Roswell incident and Nothing More .. No Contributing Just Derailing Every Discussion Negative no matter what it is as they been a Member Since 2006 yet No Threads are Posted , only Pop in that Particular Subject only a Low Post Count Number Yeah I would say that is Suspicious... as One ATS Member is only on when ever a 911 Thread is on and Only about Building 7 not the rest of it as Like The Towers or the pentagon or Flight 93 Just Building 7 ...

3) its not much of the Topic in a Forum , just one Particular thing in the Topic as I mention in 2) )) of this Post

4) asking for a Request would be much better instead of demanding ... tho they tend, instead of Finding out the Source to Prove their Discussion of a Debate the Member is Wrong..On Their Own..

5) that you that your talking about in a Timely Manner, ..I said Immediate Quick Reply . I'm referring just after you post and just as Soon you hit the Enter Button and within Minutes They are back on the Site "Online" just after they are Off ... As they were on another Account..

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originally posted by: compressedFusion

originally posted by: The GUT
Roswell sounded good to me at one time. It seemed to possibly hold answers, but on closer inspection it falls easily apart, imo.

I only had a cursory knowledge of Roswell prior to your comment. I decided to search ATS for various opinions. I found Gazrok's thread which seems to cover a lot of the information. I was disappointed to see that there was very little discussion of his material.

Could you elaborate on your position?

I also posted in Gazrok's conclusion thread if you care to post there.

The Case for Roswell: Part IV (Section B) Conclusion Thread

Thanks!

Roswell smells strongly of a well orchestrated disinformation operation that used many innocent bystanders to convince some specific group that the United States military had captured alien technology and then covered it up.

What troubles me most in cases like these is the complete callousness with which innocent witnesses lives are destroyed in order to make the game work.

a reply to: compressedFusion

Yes and I'm glad you asked. I'll pm you some stuff when I'm off this tablet. Pflock did some great work at clarifying Roswell.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: compressedFusion

Yes and I'm glad you asked. I'll pm you some stuff when I'm off this tablet. Pflock did some great work at clarifying Roswell.

No post it here!

It's interesting and I don't care if it's off topic! It's my thread

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

It is a proven fact about the mass of those things being affected by rotating fields.

We can not let is is get ahold of it.