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A Way To Stop Ebola Discovered!

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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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The village elders told of outbreaks before modern times. As soon as they determined it was Ebola they would fell trees across the roads leading to and from the village and man them. Anyone that approached was turned away. Word spread to all the local villages and they also self quarantined.

Anyone who came down with the virus was sequestered in a central hut.

Nobody was allowed in and out. After the virus ran its course, the survivors were let out of the hut and it was burned.

The source for that story is The Hot Zone, by Richard Preston. Harsh measures? Maybe, but up until now it has apparently worked to interdict a wider spread of Ebola.

That means stop travel to and from the infected areas. Maybe its too late for that. Harsh times ahead for some people over there.
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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: Phage


So did the war on drugs.
Works on paper.

Just say no to Ebola?

Screening isn't working either. See Dallas Ebola cases.

Crater the runways?



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: intrptr



The source for that story is The Hot Zone by Richard Preston.

Great. Trouble is, this is not "before modern times", is it? It's not the same world, is it? You didn't read the book, did you?


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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:28 AM
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Crater the runways?

Hell.
Just nuke 'em. That'd work too.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:29 AM
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They should develop (now this will really give Alex Jones a paranoid conniption fit) an Ebola inoculation spray and like they spray plants and huge farm agriculture, they should massively spray humans habitats continually…
How does that sound?



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:31 AM
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People who scream close borders have absolutely no idea how interconnected we all are now.

And they will be the first to complain if we did close borders and they felt the effects.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

Yes. They should.
They should also develop a cure for every other disease and cancer too, while they are at it.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: intrptr



The source for that story is The Hot Zone by Richard Preston.

Great. Trouble is, this is not "before modern times", is it? It's not the same world, is it? You didn't read the book, did you?



Since we clearly do not have the capacity to go there and help without bringing it back here, we should not even be going there period. This is the grim reality.

They could have sealed cockpit aircraft that protect the pilots and still be able to bring back infected health workers to places set up for ebola, not community hospitals. So far the situation has been a farce, especially since they had decades and millions of dollars in research preparing for confronting a deadly epidemic head on.

They get an F minus and should have to pay back all their funding.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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Trouble is, this is not "before modern times", is it? It's not the same world, is it? You didn't read the book, did you?

Different world? Ebola and human flesh have not changed. The initial cases were allowed to spread precisely because people there stopped listening to their elders. Sort of like here.

I have two copies and I am currently reading one for the third time.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

The travel ban is about money I believe and political correctness is the excuse everyone wants to believe. I think if the cases climb into double digits we will see a travel ban.



Op you have to remember Obama is part of a corporate oligarchy ruling this once great nation. He does not make the call a team makes the call. He is just the face for the public of this larger ruling class.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage


Different world? Ebola and human flesh have not changed. The initial cases were allowed to spread precisely because people there stopped listening to their elders. Sort of like here.
Yes. A very different world. One in which traveling on foot is not the only mode of travel. One with cars and buses and trains. One with cities which are served by cars, buses and trains. Ebola will not "die out" in West Africa but with enough effort the epidemic can be ended. Until that occurs preventing travel from the region (or the continent) to North America will not keep us "safe" from it.

You consider Alex Jones an elder?
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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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Maybe you really think bringing this stuff to your doorstep is a smart move.
Maybe you think it's just a little misunderstood and with some attention, we could fight a kinder, gentler pandemic.

The people who actually work with this virus know different.

Tribesmen, villagers, field medics and shoestring doctors have been dealing with this disease for four decades.
They've done it with little to no money or support and they've done it successfully the same way every time.
They have been successful because they do it the only way possible.
They stop movement of people with the disease and isolate it until it burns out.
It is not impossible because it's been done several times.

If the sophisticated and brilliant (read moneyed up and arrogant) jackasses in the western world are too superior to take lessons from third world workers that have actually beat this disease multiple times before, then they can learn it the hard way, but they will kill a lot of extra people doing it.

And YES,
Isolate them and let the ones who are infected live or die.
That's what works. Bringing the disease to other countries just means more people die.
Spreading the disease to the rest of the world accomplishes nothing but killing more people.

The virus does not respond to your empathy, ideals, ideology or moral superiority.
You are nothing but meat to be used to replicate more virus.
Deny the virus meat and it will stop replicating.
Give the virus meat and it will live on and spread.

You want to volunteer and go to Liberia? Go. Stop the virus. But don't expect them to bring you back home to infect dozens of other people when you become a meal for the virus and your organs are turning to bloody pudding. Vomiting and defecating your lungs and the lining of your stomach and intestines out. Your organs and connective tissue dissolving, your skin separating from your muscles and sagging. Your brain shutting down bit by bit as the virus destroys all but your most basic mental faculties, your cells bursting like rotten eggs, spilling billions of viruses, each one ready to destroy another life. Bleeding out and collapsing while your tissues burst and your body fluids, hot with virus spreads across the floor in a puddle to infect everyone within splatter distance and start the whole cycle over.

Sounds dramatic? It's the clinical version. The real deal is much nastier.

This is not a case of the flu or a bad cold.
This thing turns people into bags of rotten meat.
Making friends with it does not work.

The people in the affected countries all know this, that's why they close the borders.

If, by some miracle, they come up with a viable vaccine or viral med that works, taking it to the hot spots would be the way to go.

Bringing the hot spots to you?
Worse than suicide.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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Since we clearly do not have the capacity to go there and help without bringing it back here, we should not even be going there period. This is the grim reality.
As long as the epidemic persists there is a risk of it becoming pandemic. That is the grim reality. With a population of millions in West Africa the epidemic can continue for a very long time. That is the grim reality. Quarantines are not effective on a very large scale.



So far the situation has been a farce, especially since they had decades and millions of dollars in research preparing for confronting a deadly epidemic head on.
And you have had how long and spent how much money researching it to come up with your "oh, it's simple" answer?


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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:54 AM
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I'd rather listen to finger nails grating a chalkboard than Alex Jones.


preventing travel from the region (or the continent) to North America will not keep us "safe" from it.

Just flights my Sage, just flights. If people sailed from continent to continent thats one way of waiting out the incubation period.

God are we that impatient?



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP


Since we clearly do not have the capacity to go there and help without bringing it back here, we should not even be going there period. This is the grim reality.
As long as the epidemic persists there is a risk of it becoming pandemic. That is the grim reality. With a population of millions in West Africa the epidemic can continue for a very long time. That is the grim reality. Quarantines are not effective on a very large scale.



So far the situation has been a farce, especially since they had decades and millions of dollars in research preparing for confronting a deadly epidemic head on.
And you have had how long and spent how much money researching it to come up with your "oh, it's simple" answer?



I offered no simple answer, I offered braindead advise that if you can't go there without spreading it don't go there at all.
Further I alluded that we should be able to go there and aid with all the decades of study done to prepare yet we are just muddling around spreading it making the situation worse.

Quarantine is the only effective method. Obama said he worried that the African economy would be hurt by air travel bans, well tough doo doo. Since when was he President of Africa?



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 01:03 AM
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Maybe you really think bringing this stuff to your doorstep is a smart move.
I don't think that "preventing" travel from Africa would help because it cannot be done any more than ending illegal immigration or drug traffic can.


It is not impossible because it's been done several times.
But the population is larger and more mobile now. That is why this ebola epidemic is the worst that has ever occurred. Quarantine does not scale. You can quarantine a house, a village. Not a population of millions. Not millions of square miles. Not thousands of miles of border.


That's what works. Bringing the disease to other countries just means more people die.
Spreading the disease to the rest of the world accomplishes nothing but killing more people.
Nor does attempting to "prevent" travel from Africa. Great political move if your constituency feeds on fear but practical? No. Effective? No.



You want to volunteer and go to Liberia? Go. Stop the virus.
No. I have no training and would be worse than useless.


Sounds dramatic?
Yes, it does. But dead is dead and there are plenty of horrible ways to die.



Bringing the hot spots to you?
Worse than suicide.
That isn't what the topic is. The topic is "stopping ebola" by simply stopping flights from the region.

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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: badgerprints

Maybe you really think bringing this stuff to your doorstep is a smart move.
I don't think that "preventing" travel from Africa would help because it cannot be done any more than ending illegal immigration or drug traffic can.


It is not impossible because it's been done several times.
But the population is larger and more mobile now. That is why this ebola epidemic is the worst that has ever occurred. Quarantine does not scale. You can quarantine a house, a village. Not a population of millions. Not millions of square miles. Not thousands of miles of border.


That's what works. Bringing the disease to other countries just means more people die.
Spreading the disease to the rest of the world accomplishes nothing but killing more people.
Nor does attemptint to "prevent" travel from Africa.



You want to volunteer and go to Liberia? Go. Stop the virus.
No. I have no training and would be worse than useless.


Sounds dramatic?
Yes, it does. But dead is dead and there are plenty of horrible ways to die.



Bringing the hot spots to you?
Worse than suicide.
That isn't what the topic is. The topic is "stopping ebola" by simply stopping flights from the region.




Air travel can be prevented, it is the speed of travel that is the factor.
If a ship from Africa makes a several week voyage, there will be obvious sick people on board and it can be quarantined. This is not the case with air travel. People go places in hours.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 01:13 AM
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If a ship from Africa makes a several week voyage, there will be obvious sick people on board and it can be quarantined.


Several weeks? Are you talking about sailboats?
It takes maybe a week to get from Liberia to North Africa on a boat and about a day (with layovers) on a plane from there to New York.

People who are completely asymptomatic, reaching New York. And that "stops ebola."

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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: badgerprints

Maybe you really think bringing this stuff to your doorstep is a smart move.
I don't think that "preventing" travel from Africa would help because it cannot be done any more than ending illegal immigration or drug traffic can.




Yes,
You can stop flights from the region.
The surrounding countries have all stopped travel across their borders.
That's the hardest part.

To stop flights all you have to do is stop flying there.
It's not like we've got to shoot down planes.

By the way,
Ending illegal immigration is just a case doing it.
Our government has insured that illegals are protected and allowed to stay in the states.
Stopping illegals simply isn't what washington wants or it would have been done.

The war on drugs is a different animal.
Americans want that coke and dope so they pay hundreds of billions a year to get it across the border.
They wouldn't support the same system of import for 150 ebola carriers a day.

It amazes me that a few dozen small countries that border these hotspots can close borders with nothing but jeeps, trucks, men on foot and rifles but the mighty USA on the other side of the world can't stop 150 people a day from west Africa from crossing the Atlantic and entering the country.

It's not impossible.
It's just not what the administration wants so it won't happen.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 01:17 AM
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You can stop flights from the region.

That does not prevent people from the region from reaching North America. It just encourages them to do so clandestinely.

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