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Why Are Swastikas Hot In West Ukraine? And More.

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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: LittleByLittle




I agree that some Ukrainians are Nazi influenced.


And I would guess most countries have the same problem, but it seems others are trying to tie the whole Ukraine government as being Nazi's.

Which just isn't true.


Yes they are not all Nazi influenced.

But I am going to say that from my point of view I have no beef with Russia taking Crimea since it should never have belonged to Ukraine in the first place. How they are going to handle eastern Ukraine is another matter and I have no opinion yet if it should be Russian or Ukraine based on the mix of both Russian and Ukraine living there. And the Ukraine government is not an elected government yet but that will probably change in 26 October 2014.

US/CIA was playing a game with Russia in Ukraine and did not get the grand price (Crimea) they wanted but was able to airlift the gold to FED.
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:31 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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edit on 18-10-2014 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h




Does not show a Nazi swastika...


Oh i am sure its not a swastika. In fact it is, the way your trying to defend the claims by saying its not a swastika is rather sad.
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You have a lot to learn about German Nationalism and there use of swastika even after WW2 was over.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Melbourne_Militia




When the Germans came into Western Ukraine, they were embraced as liberators against Russian Communist control.


You forget to mention the mass killings that was brought by your same liberators in Western Ukraine had killed and hunted down anyone that wasnt going to stand with German as there liberator even Jews were killed in Western Ukraine .



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: Melbourne_Militia



This is where the right movement gets its history from.....Stepan Badera was a partison rebel who joined th Incoming German forces to help fight against Russian control.....you would do the same if you have been subjugated, abused, starved, etc by the other power.

Stepan Badera was not a partison he was a mass murderer and someone whom has led Jews to death in Ukraine.



you would do the same if you have been subjugated, abused, starved, etc by the other power.


Its clearer you know nothing of the Ukrankian history and its time during WW2 if you did know you wouldn't call Stepan Badera a hero, you might as well say that the fascists were heroes to then.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: Melbourne_Militia



Its clearer you know nothing of the Ukrankian history and its time during WW2 if you did know you wouldn't call Stepan Badera a hero, you might as well say that the fascists were heroes to then.



Not concerned about you reffering my post to the mods, just expressing what I thought and it's deserved.

re: I know nothing of Ukrainian history.......apoligies, only you sir are an expert in this field is that right?



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:02 PM
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of course, of course, people. These friendly, loving Ukrainians are massacring people under a hindu peace symbol. Lets not be naïve here.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: Melbourne_Militia




I know nothing of Ukrainian history.......apoligies, only you sir are an expert in this field is that right?


Once again as usual your attacking, my grandfather was Ukrainian and he left Ukraine for a reason. The only way your getting your facts out of the history of Ukraine is through the media and what you were told by.





Not concerned about you reffering my post to the mods, just expressing what I thought and it's deserved.


That was not an expression but an insult. In a childish manner.
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
of course, of course, people. These friendly, loving Ukrainians are massacring people under a hindu peace symbol. Lets not be naïve here.


Thats the issue. Some people here believe that the Swastika since it is a hindu symbol. They believe that the hindu symbol is all about peace and good luck.

Which isn't the case.

Seeing how some people are defensive about it, rises some questions.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter yeah, but theres a history there. That would be like someone in Alabama, raising a revolution and putting the union jack as their flag.....then claiming that stars and X's predate the southern succession and slavery (not that I think the civil war was about slavery, but lets not get into that). The idea that they are using it as an ancient symbol of fortune is as unlikely as them marching under a yin yang flag, or a Tai chi chuan talisman. What next, when they start talking about a "master race" are we going to claim that they are just proponents of good genetics? When they start burning their enemies in bonfires (oops, they already did that) are we just going to say they are practicing ancient aztech spirituality?



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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haha, ok, that #s funny! Second line.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




Oh i am sure its not a swastika. In fact it is, the way your trying to defend the claims by saying its not a swastika is rather sad.
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And you blatantly ignored the truth to back your own agenda...well done.



You have a lot to learn about German Nationalism and there use of swastika even after WW2 was over.


And this thread is about the swastikas in Ukraine, which btw in your OP link source is not a German swastika, nor is it a Nazi swastika.

So what you have done is try to equate the swastika which has been around Ukraine well before Germany adopted it and just disregarded the true history of that ancient symbol just to satisfy your own diluded agenda.

Well Done at least your sticking to your usual MO in these Ukraine threads.


If you can't prove your point...make it up.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




Thats the issue. Some people here believe that the Swastika since it is a hindu symbol. They believe that the hindu symbol is all about peace and good luck.


And so now you know more than anyone in the world on the history of the swastika...Outstanding.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 06:21 AM
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of course, of course, people. These friendly, loving Ukrainians are massacring people under a hindu peace symbol. Lets not be naïve here.


And please provide the evidence that their are Nazi's killing people in masses in Ukraine?

And how is it you are not complaining about the separatists that were being run by a well known Russian Nazi, or is that okay because it's RUssia and they can do that?

Here in case you think I am wrong...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 06:24 AM
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Seeing how some people are defensive about it, rises some questions.


No the only question is do you actually research something before posting, because this thread shows you don't?



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




Its clearer you know nothing of the Ukrankian history and its time during WW2 if you did know you wouldn't call Stepan Badera a hero, you might as well say that the fascists were heroes to then.


JUst the same way the Putinistas think Putin is a hero, yet he has blood on his hands too. And the way some think Stalin was great.

But of course you just disregard history because it doesn't fit your narrative of the way things should go in your mind.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




1. You arent a mod.
2.For you to claim that i work work with the Russian government is just sorry excuse of a deflection just as this reply is.


And you know all about deflecting away from questions don't you?



3. See My posts from 2006 i have not being one sided comparing that to some here whom have being plastering us with the daily postings of either FOX News and other news outlets.


And this isn't about your other posts back in 2006...good deflection.

Oh that's amusing, because if it doesn't come from a pro Russian news source it is wrong...beautiful.

You seem to be stuck in the usual rut that thinks everyone but you get's their info from Fox News, so how many times are you going to keep trying to use that excuse?



What your post suggests is that you clearer dont know anything of the Ukrankian history.


And with this thread it seems you don't either, but keep them coming as this is getting fun watching you scrape the bottom of the barrel trying to make a connection between Nazi's and the Ukraine government.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:41 AM
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Can we really answer this question...just exactly what factions are in the Ukraine and why does it make a difference?

From the onset there has been targeting of Jews in the Ukraine that was then covered up. By whom was the targeting coming from? Explain to us how the people wearing the schwastikas in Ukraine are by Muslims? Did you know this?

Ask yourself who exactly in wearing them and who exactly was targeting Jews. It wasn't Putin. Why is this always whitewashed? Putin's response to Ukraine was against the Muslim targeting of Jews. And yet, it always gets back to "citizens in Ukraine"...which citizens?

Why do you people never ask this? Crimean Sunni Muslims pose threat

The pro-Ukrainians in this are Sunni Muslims. Now please, address this fact and then consider why those who are wearing the schwastikas aren't just Ukrainians.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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All the ss runes were taken from the Nordic written language, the stylised ss rune stands for arbitrariness, the rest I would have to search for, if I can find the book, or perhaps I can google.



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