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Why Are Swastikas Hot In West Ukraine? And More.

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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 02:17 AM
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According to some here whom have claimed that fascists and Nazis arent in Control of Ukraine they are sadly mistaken.
As a Blaze reporter found out in Western Ukraine.

As some would claim that only half voted for the nationalists yet these government approved polls haven't shown the westerns the whole story.

Why Are Swastikas Hot In West Ukraine?




Ostap Stakhiv, the leader of a political organization of Ukrainian nationalists, The Idea of the Nation, had been looking for popular support for many years without much success. Then the delicate-seeming 28-year-old started thinking that maybe there was something wrong with the insignia—a lion climbing up a steep hillside—printed on the group’s tracts and fliers. So Stakhiv chose another: the swastika, slightly modified, that Hitler adopted as the emblem of the Nazi Party in 1920 and that millions of Europeans, including millions of Ukrainians, associate with death.


As usual the Westren Ukrainians would defend the meaning of the Swastikas. While covering it up.




It worked. Earlier this week, Stakhiv was busy setting up five tents around Lviv for this month's election campaign. He’s preparing to run for the local parliament on October 26th. The organization's newspaper, with double swastikas on the front page, was being distributed along with other propaganda materials, and Stakhiv and his aid, Yulia, marveled at the strength of the symbol. "A yellow swastika on a black field stands for power and spirit," said Stakhiv.


“A yellow swastika on a black field stands for power and spirit,” said Stakhiv.





How to explain the growing popularity of Nazi symbols in Ukraine? They keep turning up. Ukrainian soldiers have been seen and photographed wearing helmets with swastikas and the letters SS on their helmets. A spokesmen for the volunteer Azov Battalion, where the symbols are common, eventually denied they are related to Hitler. He insisted that the battalion insignia reminiscent of the Nazi Wolfsangel, symbol of, among others, the 2nd SS Panzer Division that fought the Russians on the Eastern Front, was actually nothing but the crossed letters "N."

In fact, most nationalist and ultra-right youth organizations in Ukraine today use symbols that millions of Ukrainian citizens associate with the Nazi army that occupied and brutalized Ukraine during World War II. And one reason, certainly, is that the much longer and very deadly occupation by the Soviets is also a huge part of the national consciousness.


Here is the important part which some deny. To the Western Ukrainians Bandera is a hero yet a mass murderer whom not only was allied to the fascist cause but wanted to murder Russians.
Bandera was brainwashed like other Ukrainians into believing that Germany was there as there freind.



The activists chanted "Freedom to the people! Glory to Ukraine!" on the way to the monument in Lviv to Stepan Bandera, the UIA leader. To millions of ethnic Russians living in eastern Ukraine, Bandera, who allied himself with Adolf Hitler at times, symbolized ethnic cleansing in the worst years of the Second World War. But to many nationalists he is a hero who tried to protect the interests of his people.





Earlier this week Putin referred to the UIA as a "pro-fascist organization" and condemned Ukraine for glorifying it. Putin also blamed Ukrainian nationalists for attacking the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine.





What this article says is that the Ukrankian fascists, nationalists have more power in western ukraine and thus Swastikas have being gaining popular since the pro EU protests that occurred a year ago. It doesn't matter if they received just 1% as they have more manpower and members of there nationalist groups.


In Ukraine the National Council of #Ukraine TV and Radio today decided to ban Russian broadcast channel "365 days" and the channel "Belarus 24"

Yet some here claimed that Ukraine didn't do ban Russian News yet they did.




posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 02:22 AM
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Here's more on the Westren Ukrainians Pro Euporean Union protesters. These videos are from my trusted sources.
Oct 15 torch march in #Kiev




Party activists Right sector, as well as volunteer soldiers of the battalion began Azov procession through the streets of Kiev on the occasion of the Holy Virgin and the anniversary of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army.


Oct 15


#Ukraine Security service arrests blogger, spread anti-Ukrainian materials. Charged with treason @OSCE





Banderas Insurgent Army celebrated in #Ukraine : their brutality exceeded even the sadistic German SS. #WW2


Source





Opposition Blocs meeting in Nikolaev destroyed by mob today. Systematic attacks in #Ukraine election campaign


Source
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 02:26 AM
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I find it ironic they espouse the same people that had every intention of cutting their numbers down to a manageable level for the great Lebensraum
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Here is some interesting information on NAZI collaboration in the Ukraine during world war two.
wn.com...
www.timesofisrael.com...
fpif.org...
Having partial Jewish ancestry myself I would like to see us back off and leave them to the Russkies as I personally don't like the Nazi sympathising spittoons but then that is just me, though I do feel for the innocent Ukrainians who's demonstrations were hijacked by these Neo Nazi's.


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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Here is some interesting information on NAZI collaboration in the Ukraine during world war two.
wn.com...
www.timesofisrael.com...
fpif.org...
Having partial Jewish ancestry myself I would like to see us back off and leave them to the Russkies as I personally don't like the Nazi sympathising spittoons but then that is just me, though I do feel for the innocent Ukrainians who's demonstrations were hijacked by these Neo Nazi's.



You have to understand that when the nazis "liberated" them from Russia they had every intention of enslaving them. This bandera guy is new to me but it fits the general partisan backstory.

Places like Ukraine got royally screwed. When the Germans came the partisans were in trouble. When the Russians came back through the other partisans were in trouble. And of course anyone that wasn't a partisan was in trouble all the time. Basically every one was in trouble at one point of time or another. It was really sad. Horrible atrocities committed in places like this on both sides.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:17 AM
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How about you learn the history of the swastika.


The swastika is a symbol used by of one of the most hated men on Earth, a symbol that represents the slaughter of millions of people and one of the most destructive wars on Earth. But Adolf Hitler was not the first to use this symbol. In fact, it was used as a powerful symbol thousands of years before him, across many cultures and continents. For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artefacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order. -



The earliest swastika ever found was uncovered in Mezine, Ukraine, carved on an ivory figurine, which dates an incredible 12,000 years, and one of the earliest cultures that are known to have used the Swastika was a Neolithic culture in Southern Europe, in the area that is now Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, known as the Vinca Culture, which dates back around 8,000 years.


www.ancient-origins.net...


In North America, the swastika was a symbol used by the Navajos. The swastika still continues today to be an extensively used sign in Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism. In Buddhism, a swastika represents resignation. In Jainism, it delineates their seventh saint, and the four arms are also used to remind the worshiper of the four possible places of rebirth; the animal or plant world, in Hell, on Earth, or in the spirit world. To Hindus, the swastika with the arms bent to the left is called the sathio or sauvastika, which symbolizes night, magic, purity, and the destructive goddess Kali. In both Hinduism and Jainism, the swastika or sathio is used to mark the opening pages or their account books, thresholds, doors, and offerings.


www.iearn.org...

So I guess that means everyone who used this symbol had to be early Nazi's, because from your mindset that is what the swastika represents.

Do yourself a favor and actually learn what the swastika means, just because Hitler adopted it as their symbol that doesn't mean those who use it are Nazi's.

Way to Deny Ignorance.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




What this article says is that the Ukrankian fascists, nationalists have more power in western ukraine and thus Swastikas have being gaining popular since the pro EU protests that occurred a year ago. It doesn't matter if they received just 1% as they have more manpower and members of there nationalist groups.


No it doesn't as that is what you want it to say.

And I want to show you something that if you had done any research you would know that this picture...



Does not show a Nazi swastika...


In 1935, the black swastika on a white circle with a crimson background became the national symbol of Germany. The major difference between the Nazi swastika and the ancient symbol of many different cultures, is that the Nazi swastika is at a slant, while the ancient swastika is rested flat.


www.iearn.org...

Maybe the author of your article should have done a bit better research such as you should have done.

And here is a good thread you should read about the swastika...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: nukedog

Actually Hitler wanted to wipe them out along with all Slavic people's to make breeding room for his ideological race of German supermen, it is interesting how the Russians who fought the German's hand to hand often speak of how soft the Germans were with phrases like "it was like cutting into bread there belly was soft and doughy", many of these Russians had come from the Siberian and Eastern land's were life was hard as well as at least about 150 years behind the rest of the world so when these rugged men fought the self believing Nazi's they were really fighting city boy's from a much softer land.

There were though many good Ukrainian's but they were truly blinded by there hatred of the Bolshevik's to the point that they were willing to trade there soul from one devil to another trading the Hated and feared Stalin for Hitler.

It is worth noting that here was a genocide of Polish in the Ukraine as well for at one time there were town's which were half Polish and Half Ukrainian and sometimes a third Jewish but Ukrainian Nationalism along with the ugly side of the extreme right was there even before the Nazi's enacted operation Barbarossa.

en.wikipedia.org...

It is worth remembering that the line's drawn on a map are never a true representation of ethnic presence and in realiy much of what is today and was then Ukrain was in actuality really Poland conquered and taken over the century's.

If you look at the Ukrainian nationalists you will see genuine evil, there is no other word for it and today they hero worship men who commited terrible atrocitys, of course if hitler had won they too would have been purged once they had served there purpose as hitler had no room for them in his masterplan.

Part of hitlers intent was to take back what he saw as the homeland of the Teutonic Germanic empire and repopulate the Ukrain and western Russia with German speaking and ethnic people as part of his plan for a greater germany, in part his belief was based on some actual ancestral claim to the land's but of course he conveniently forgot the German's have a sizeable amount of Slavic ancestry mixed in along with Polish regardless of ancient conquests and tribal migrations.


(hmm just read your other post, you already pointed this out)
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You have a very good point, the Swastika is one of the most ancient symbols but today in the west it is synonymous with oppression, murder and all the bad things that came out of Nazi Germany, in reality though it predates the Hindu's and can be found in every ancient culture with various meaning's, usually though the mystical swastika is not only flat but it is reversed to the Nazi one.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767




You have a very good point, the Swastika is one of the most ancient symbols but today in the west it is synonymous with oppression, murder and all the bad things that came out of Nazi Germany, in reality though it predates the Hindu's and can be found in every ancient culture with various meaning's, usually though the mystical swastika is not only flat but it is reversed to the Nazi one.


Exactly, but when one sees a swastika all they relate it to is German Nazi's which is what amazes me when threads like this pop up.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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According to some here whom have claimed that fascists and Nazis arent in Control of Ukraine they are sadly mistaken.


I think it is you who are making the mistake, because of just a few out of the Ukraine gov't have nationalist ideology it doesn't mean the whole of the government has the same ideology.

But that doesn't matter though to you does it?



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Come on dude. You trying to tell us that swastikas and ss symbols in Ukraine today are "good luck charms." No sale

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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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Come on dude. You trying to tell us that swastikas and ss symbols in Ukraine today are "good luck charms." No sale


And you can provide anything that proves differently?

Only when Hitler took it on and actually changed it from the original did it take on negative ideas. So you have done enough research that you know this correct, yet you connect all swastikas to Nazi's why?

As I showed you that the swastika predates Hitler, so just because Hitler used it it doesn't mean everyone using the swastika is a Nazi.

In fact one year as a kid I wore a white sheet like a ghost for Halloween does that mean I am a Klan member because we all know they wear white sheets( they did in the early days) or now white robes but you should see where I am going here.
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You have a very good point, the Swastika is one of the most ancient symbols but today in the west it is synonymous with oppression, murder and all the bad things that came out of Nazi Germany, in reality though it predates the Hindu's and can be found in every ancient culture with various meaning's, usually though the mystical swastika is not only flat but it is reversed to the Nazi one.



I t can be both to the right and to the left.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Nazi are 45 degree slanted.

I agree that some Ukrainians are Nazi influenced.
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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AgentUSASupporter....maybe you should change your name to Agent_Russia_Supporter, as every second post yu put up if not every one, is sooo pro-russian its rediculous....even where there isnt a full and proper story, you will make one out of it.

Its disgusting to watch on a daily basis when checking the news feeds.

As mentioned before.....Ukrainians got royally screwed in WW2.....actually prior to WW2 with Holodomyr starvation program the Russians enforced, causing between 6-9million ukrainian people to starve to death as the Communists took all their agriculture for themselves.

Cant half blame the Ukrainians for being slightly pi$$d off with that can you?

When the Germans came into Western Ukraine, they were embraced as liberators against Russian Communist control.

This is where the right movement gets its history from.....Stepan Badera was a partison rebel who joined th Incoming German forces to help fight against Russian control.....you would do the same if you have been subjugated, abused, starved, etc by the other power.

Ukrainian's historically have been screwed by all major powers that have been arround them, Ottomans, Russians, Poles, Germans etc......

I support anyone that fought the Nazi germans and the Communist Russians.......

Your examples are the same as the USA supporting the Mujahadeen against the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80's.....just because there wasnt a symbol (aka swastika) does it make it any less different than what you espouse?

[SNIP]


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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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The Nazi are 45 degree slanted.


Something that seems to get forgotten when comparing swastikas to Hitler and the Nazi's.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

I think you meant to reply to the OP, but I agree with most of what you said.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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I agree that some Ukrainians are Nazi influenced.


And I would guess most countries have the same problem, but it seems others are trying to tie the whole Ukraine government as being Nazi's.

Which just isn't true.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:49 PM
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Sorry, forgot to add that I support your reply.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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Sorry, forgot to add that I support your reply.


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