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originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: AlienView
Mind is the Only Constant of All Existence.
And it changes all the time.
Change is the only constant my freind.
originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: AlienView
The the programm is playing the cards in your favour every time. Your questions are creating a loop that pass through the mind giving you a hand to play no matter the reply.
It's a loaded barrel every time I look at it lol.
If there wasnt mind, but you could perceive, what would you see?
originally posted by: AgentShillington
This is just silly.
If the mind were constant, we would all have the same experiences. No need for interpretation. We would have the same reactions to the same stimuli every time we encountered it.
Watch your favorite movie 15 times in a row. Did you enjoy it the same amount each time? No? Then your mind isn't a constant.
originally posted by: AlienView
No, that would only be true if you conceive of mind as a single fixed unchanging form. When I say mind is constant I'm using the word mind in a broad sense - I don't know, nor do I claim to know, exactly what mind is - except to say it is always present in all of reality and whatever we perceive reality to be. It is a constant that is always changing.
Aristotle as far as I know did not refer to a deity, but he did talk about an 'unmoved mover' - Maybe in a similar way I'm referring to a an ever changing 'mind matrix' that must always be present for knowledge and perception. And no, I don't claim to know exactly what it is, how it functions, and what it means. Theists will say God, but God is not provable - mind on the other hand does not have to be proven but must always exist or you are back to nothing - easier to believe in mind then to believe in nothing for from nothing comes nothing - And all the atheists in the world will never prove otherwise - though they try.
PS: For the record I consider myself to be a hardcore Agnostic - I see logic and reason and accept it - It is part of what is and who we are - Religion on the other hand is a matter of faith not philosophy.
This isn't correct, though.
"I think, therefor I exist." is not the same as "I think, therefor everything exists."
While it is largely true that we cannot doubt our existence while we exist, we cannot even begin to claim that the universe ceases to exist without a mind to comprehend it. And the burden of proving your unknowable statement rests on you.
There is nothing for an atheist to prove in your scenario, as the atheist takes the default position of not being convinced of your ideas.
The gasses on Venus don't give a crap about my mind.
Nor do the Hydrogen, helium, neon and other elements on planets I have never heard nor dreamt of that DO exist outside my existence or understanding...give a hoot about the mind of silly humans.
originally posted by: AgentShillington
a reply to: AlienView
I make no claim that a state of nothingness has ever existed. I can see that you don't really understand what I was saying, and I won't continue down that thread. However, I will ask another, possibly more important question.
So what? Why does your theory mean anything? Why is your assertion important? If all applicable means of detection cannot determine whether or not your theory is accurate, and as such has no other importance than making for interesting discussion, why is this important?