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GOP set to seize the Senate

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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

I didn’t insinuate the democrats were the pole of light.

Does anybody remember the opponents of Hitler in Germany as poles of light?

No, they were ordinary human beings though not like Hitler.

A negative force of narrow mindedness, selfishness, and ignorance ruling this country is not a positive turn of events.

I bid you to wait and see the destruction they will bring on the country.

Democrats aren’t saints but do follow somewhat the western paradigm of social awareness and what the constitution calls “general welfare” of the American people not the few rich.

Though the Dems are captives of corporate power as well but not as much as the GOP.
That's just a clear fact.

the difference between a rain storm and a hurricane




posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 09:28 PM
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I know of no one in real life who is only in one of two camps.

Well, more accurately I knew of no one, before the last 15 years or so.

The history of American Government was the history of compromise. You get a little of what you want, I get a little of what I want.

States with large populations want their governmental representation to be based on their population: Done, House of Representatives.

States with small populations want an equal voice in their governmental representation with the larger States: Done, the Senate.

All through the rest of the Constitution, when there were Federalists and Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Bull Moose, Democrats and Republicans, Libertarians, Greens, Socialists, Constitutionalists, etc. etc.

We compromise. I believe what I believe but I acknowledge that you do too. Together we stand ...

Divided we fall.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 09:28 PM
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Double.
edit on 21Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:28:22 -050014p0920141066 by Gryphon66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Dear Willtell,

Thanks for the clarification, it helps a lot.


Democrats aren’t saints but do follow somewhat the western paradigm of social awareness and what the constitution calls “general welfare” of the American people not the few rich.


OK, understood. But do you expect Republicans to say they're against the general welfare? It's a baseball, apple pie, and mom position, everyone's for it.

So how do we judge? By the results of their decisions. Are incomes becoming more equal? Are the poor getting better educations? Is employment among the poor and inner city youth rising? Is death by homicide falling? Are there more two parent families? Is median income rising? Do more working age Americans have full time jobs? Are the reservations being improved?

I know some will say that the government had no control over those things. But if that is true, who cares what the Democrats say they're for if they can't deliver anything? For that matter, what good is any politician if he won't fight for his beliefs which his constituents voted for.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:00 PM
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Are incomes going to become more equal if we leave it soley in the hands of employers to determine how much they can get for how little, as the rules of pure profit demand?

Are the poor going to get better educations if funding is cut to the bare bone for public schools so that the very rich can get richer with better tax breaks?

Will unemployment decrease for inner city youth, poor, etc. if American companies are allowed to send all the work to other countries so that they can pay pennies on the dollar to foreign workers and bank their money in foreign banks?

Will death by homicide likely fall when anyone can buy any gun at any time for any reason with no regulations or controls or restrictions?

Will there be more two parent families when multiple children are born out of wedlock to women that are not ready financially, emotionally, physically ready to care for children, because there are no sufficient birth control methods available?

Will more working age Americans have full time jobs that will pay the bills when minimum wage laws are gutted or reversed?

Ask the Republicans; they have all the answers.

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posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

Hey Charles. I know you're friends with Guohua but don't be surprised when a thread like this gets derailed. She didn't politely bring up an article about the prospects for the midterm election results to open dialogue about the results and ramifications of a republican win. She posted the article and essentially said, hahaha suck it you stupid worthless Democrats.


"OH,,, The Dem's Must Be Pulling What Little Hair They Have Left Out Of their Heads! "

"Can you hear it,,,, Yes, their heads,,, The Groans and Moans, Their Miashia has Failed them!"

Both quotes are filled with spammed emoticons that didnt get pasted as well. So does that sounds like an invitation to polite civil debate and discussion or sometime trying to start a fight?

You seem reasonable Charles. Can't you see that she wants a derailed trolly thread? She feeds on the negative energy. She found an article that supported her side's likelihood to win then rubbed it in shamelessly and gleefully, waiting for the hate to come and her friends to show up and defend her.

Guess I'm just crazy though?



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Well an odd coincidence .....

When Republicans control Congress (especially the House), the unemployment rates drop steadily regardless of who is President.

Then the rates rise when Democrats take control.

This has been constant since at least he 1990s.

I'll get some tables asap.

This is just one possible "difference" between D and R

Don't know why.

here's a start

Minor exception being right after 9/11



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Huh. What do you know, that is odd isn't it?

Particularly since under Democrats the private sector has added 42 million jobs and only 24 million under Republicans since 1961.

What's even more odd is that stock prices, GDP and corporate earnings also all increase under Democrats.

Source: US News and World Report



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Dear Gryphon66,

Hello again, nice to see you.

I don't suppose you want me to answer each of your questions individually. (But if I'm wrong, let me know.)

My general, and quick, answer would be that my original observation was that the Democrats, while claiming to be for this and that good thing, have failed to deliver after decades of trying their plans out. I understand the Texas and Wisconsin, for example are run by Republican governors and are performing above average.

What I would expect to see, if Democrat ideas were superior to the "dark poles" Republican plans, would be that Democrat Cities and States would be far above Republican ones. That doesn't seem to be the case.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Huh. What do you know, that is odd isn't it?

Particularly since under Democrats the private sector has added 42 million jobs and only 24 million under Republicans since 1961.

What's even more odd is that stock prices, GDP and corporate earnings also all increase under Democrats.

Source: US News and World Report





You're wasting your time with this girl/guy.

Just let it go.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Yet high crime and high poverty areas continue to excel un-relented.



Guess who gets the most votes from those precincts.

Two choices;

1) D
2) R




posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
18 pages of meaningless politics with no end in sight. Guohua should get a job as a Republican radio host. She's fantastic at starting these threads. She riles people up with sensationalism and intermittently throws in "hey guys calm down" and some random music videos from YouTube. Anyone seeing a disconnect? I must be insane I guess.


Why oh why do you insist on keep coming back then?

If you know what the OP is about when it comes to politics, stop coming to her threads, simple solution
Everyone is happy

Believe you me, if a Republican gets into office, there will be just as many 'bashing' threads to go around for them too, which is only fair in the political world

Just check out all the Bush threads from way back when
That should keep you busy for while and maybe with a smile....



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

Hey Charles,

I've not bought into the falsely dichotomous "light and dark poles" that you're working with in the discussion, so I can't speak to that. To my mind the economy and political systems of the United States are far, far too complex to minimize into "light and dark." The situation would at least be as complex as the average spectrum of visible light.

I would challenge your blanket statement that Democrats have failed, particularly if you wish to use some kind of state-by-state comparison.

Economically, there are more equal numbers of Democratic and Republican states in the "top ten" (looking at GDP and no I do not want to have that argument again if you please, LOL)

Looking a bit more specifically at a particular measure, like jobs created in 2013, according to Kiplinger's site the top states are about the same spread (equally mixed R and D) as the GDP (not really very confusing there)

Of course, there are multiple other vectors that could affect that success ... relative size and population being the most likely, and, sure enough, the top ten are also ten of the most populous US states.

So, it would seem that Democratic "ideas" are at least as successful as Republican ones.



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: guohua

You know, I'd like to say that for the most part, there is actually a pretty good debate going on here

Trying to play catch up since I've been away, but pretty good comments from both sides IMO



posted on Oct, 19 2014 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: snarky412

I do get off on challenging binary one sided worldviews so I'll be exactly the same if we get a Republican president. I don't have a side. It's a shame people apparently don't care. I just morph into whatever enemy group the person perceived when I disagree. It happens in real life constantly. When I call out my Republican friends they attack me for being a liberal. When i call out my Democrat friends they attack me for being a conservative.

This dynamic is why a solid centrist reasonable leader who would actually help our nation by mediating between the two sides and compromising is impossible. Every year the politics gets more divided killing off reason and common sense, while the puppet masters gain even more control. Ever notice how Republicans and Democrats get more extremist all the time but when they get in office they all do the same things? That's because this left/right political war is mere pageantry for the ignorant enslaved masses.



posted on Oct, 20 2014 @ 12:15 AM
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Red states have the highest crime rates, poverty rates and incarceration rates. I think its why they attack so much because most of there government officials can't run on there record, because there records are a joke.

Highest crime rate of states:

1 Tennesse > Violent crimes per 100,000: 643.6 GOV Bill Haslam(R)

2 Nevada > Violent crimes per 100,000: 607.6 Gov Brian Sandoval(R)

3 Alaska > Violent crimes per 100,000: 603.2 Gov Sean Parnell (R)

Highest poverty rates by state including D.C.

Washington D.C. 20.7% Mayor Vincent Gray(D)

Mississippi 20.1% Gov Dewey Bryant(R)

Louisiana 18.3% Gov Piyush "Bobby" Jindal(R)

New Mexico 17.9% Gov Susana Martinez(R)

state incarceration rates republicans dominate this list

1 Louisiana
2 Mississippi
3 Oklahoma



posted on Oct, 20 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

And mostly oozing from the Democrat voting precincts.



Unless you can show the genuine statistics otherwise.



posted on Oct, 20 2014 @ 12:34 AM
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Yeah let's argue more about who is worse when both parties are corrupt and useless.



posted on Oct, 20 2014 @ 01:58 AM
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a reply to: tavi45

Well, tell me, will you vote? Do you have any idea for which party you might vote? I can't see you voting Republican or Democrat, if they're the same and totally useless.



posted on Oct, 20 2014 @ 02:01 AM
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a reply to: charles1952

Nope. I only vote on the state and local level. The national level is meaningless. They are bought and paid for.



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