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an argument against giving beggars money

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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
Just count your lucky stars you don't have to beg.

This economy is tough. Lots of good people are down and out.

Frankly, that's a horrible attitude in my opinion.

Best of Luck
And I think that you and most posters so far are the ones displaying a horrible attitude, and a judgemental one.

Anyway, for those who like intellectual discussion as opposed to being so politically correct you can't discuss anything, here is the book that I got the idea from, available as free ebook. I haven't finished the book yet. The part I got the idea from doesn't talk about giving to beggars, but it talks about other similar things. As I have seen a huge rise in the number of Gypsy beggars in my city over the last three years or so, and most people I have asked don't give them money, nor do most people on forums that I read give them money, I want to make up my own mind about whether I think it is morally right or wrong for me to give them money.
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: thishereguy
a reply to: introspectionist

but the dollar you give the beggar is going to someone else, potentially another employee somewhere else?

maybe a fast food place or liquor store , maybe gas station for smokes?
Yes, I thought about that. But my point is that since the dollar is in the hands of the beggar without him working for it, and him then buying with it in one of those places you mentioned, that dollar is not going to give the beggar employment in one of those places either. The act of giving money directly to the beggar means it cannot go from any potential employer to the beggar. And the beggar would probably prefer to work one hour under a roof instead of sitting out in the cold for five hours to gain the same amount. Yet by giving him that amount you make sure it is not going to go to him the preferred route.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: introspectionist
I want to make up my own mind about whether I think it is morally right or wrong for me to give them money.

If you thought that, why hide behind a hypothetical situation?

Do you enjoy bringing a bit of hope to someone who may be lacking quite a bit of it in their current situation; perhaps to the point of where they don't want to go on any more unless they get even a single bit of light in their life? Perhaps that simple gesture of a dollar, to show that even one person in this entire world cares about your existence is enough to help someone get through the day. Questions of morality are simple to answer when you follow the golden rule. If you were at the end of your rope (or closely approaching it), would you not want just a little help from someone else? Sometimes it's just not enough to do everything by yourself. Sometimes we just need a little help.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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Long ago I committed that if I were to help a beggar (I'm uncomfortable with the nomenclature, but you'd have to be in a pretty desperate space to front up asking for money) I would shout them a meal - so that they were at least fed, and content from it. It might also restore a little faith in humanity for them...then there are the scammers...

Å99



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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Anyway, for those who like intellectual discussion as opposed to being so politically correct you can't discuss anything, here is the book that I got the idea from.


I have never once thought to confuse kindness and empathy for my fellow humans as 'political correctness'.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:31 PM
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Because Distributionism trumps Squalid Socialism.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus



Anyway, for those who like intellectual discussion as opposed to being so politically correct you can't discuss anything, here is the book that I got the idea from.


I have never once thought to confuse kindness and empathy for my fellow humans as 'political correctness'.
You should have. In fact the two are often linked.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: introspectionist

originally posted by: Metallicus



Anyway, for those who like intellectual discussion as opposed to being so politically correct you can't discuss anything, here is the book that I got the idea from.


I have never once thought to confuse kindness and empathy for my fellow humans as 'political correctness'.
You should have. In fact the two are often linked.


The 'link' in that chain is easily broken when you get to the point of debasing yourself (let alone getting to the point of not caring whether you are debasing yourself) to ask total strangers for money...

Å99



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:55 PM
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I have been wondering for a while about the connection between so-called emotional intelligence and political correctness, conformity, and lacking ability to look at issues emotionally detached. You guys prove my hypothesis in that matter. Congratulations.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:55 PM
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i can't find it now but one of the msm news series, 20/20 i think it was did a long time ago did a spot on this.
they staked out a corner where a guy was everyday, filmed him roll up with a woman in a bmw, he got out and started begging.
later that afternoon same woman showed up and he got in and left. they watched this for a couple days. followed him on the last day. the bmw pulled into this fancy neighborhood to this big house. they then started watching the house and saw him and the woman come out several times, he was all cleaned up and well dressed. any way i can't remember how they found out but it turned out that they were married and owned the house, and that was what he did for a job.

seeing how i couldn't find that one here is one from John Stossel


i don't give money to them, i really don't pay them any mind. now if i come out of a store and they ask saying their hungry or thristy i do offer to buy them something. they usually tell me to _____ off.
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:57 PM
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In the past 5 years i've bought all my clothes from second hand shops..I'm better dressed than most of my mates who think nothing of spending £50 on a T-Shirt..I can Buy 10 suits for that sort of money...

Anyway, Beggars/People in need. I give if i can, not the best off myself, but if push comes to shove and two Beggars, one playing a instrument, even badly as some do or just someone with a cup i would probably give to the guy who is trying at least to earn his crust with music. but i do give if i have spare change.
I found a fiver one day and handed it to a Romanian girl...I dont care what she does with it. it was free money and i didn't need it. A week later a found £50..I kept that as that and probably spent it in a charity shop or two as that was someone's way of paying it back.
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: introspectionist

originally posted by: Metallicus



Anyway, for those who like intellectual discussion as opposed to being so politically correct you can't discuss anything, here is the book that I got the idea from.


I have never once thought to confuse kindness and empathy for my fellow humans as 'political correctness'.
You should have. In fact the two are often linked.


The 'link' in that chain is easily broken when you get to the point of debasing yourself (let alone getting to the point of not caring whether you are debasing yourself) to ask total strangers for money...

Å99
I am convinced that people with high emotional intelligence are much more subject to being manipulated, and that low emotional intelligence is the same thing as being "immune to hypnosis" as someone expressed it.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:00 PM
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Reply to Introspectionist

Hopefully, you will never get to the pointy end of the stick...because then, 'emotional intelligence' will only be 2 words...and then there are scammers...

Å99
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: introspectionist

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: introspectionist

originally posted by: Metallicus



Anyway, for those who like intellectual discussion as opposed to being so politically correct you can't discuss anything, here is the book that I got the idea from.


I have never once thought to confuse kindness and empathy for my fellow humans as 'political correctness'.
You should have. In fact the two are often linked.


The 'link' in that chain is easily broken when you get to the point of debasing yourself (let alone getting to the point of not caring whether you are debasing yourself) to ask total strangers for money...

Å99
I am convinced that people with high emotional intelligence are much more subject to being manipulated, and that low emotional intelligence is the same thing as being "immune to hypnosis" as someone expressed it.


I don't inherently disagree with this.

Å99
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:20 PM
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Oh well, I don't blame you people for being so annoying. You are only a product of your conditioning.

This is you guys (the woman):


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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: introspectionist

Matthew 25:31-46 The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats


31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


Source



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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Thump, thump.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: introspectionist
Oh well, I don't blame you people for being so annoying. You are only a product of your conditioning.

This is you guys (the woman):



...but your 'annoyance' has nothing to do with 'conditioning'?

Hollywood has all the best arguments?

Conditioned?

Å99



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: OptimusSubprime

I think we need a new game here. The first person to post a thumbs up just after the very first biblical quote in a thread nonchalantly so as not to break T&C or cause thread drift gets confettiblasted with stars. ;p It can be like the ATS version of a drinking game.
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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Hollywood has its negative points, but this time it apples.



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