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Prosecuting Children

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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: tom.farnhill

Are you implying that a 10 year old should be executed?




posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: Nechash

if proven without a doubt then YES



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: tom.farnhill

Well, I suppose that way would be cheaper than 60 years of internment. Glad you have certainty in the matter. ;p



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: Nechash

Some kids arent innocent. The whole purpose of not sentencing them is that they dont know what they are doing, ect.

Some do. I assure you some are adults in kids bodies and they take advantage of their legal protection to start a life of destruction and crime before they turn 18.

Some kids arent kids in the same way some people arent human.

I cant wait for this era of naivety with its pretentious, arrogant and manufactured high morality to go the way of the dodo. Its such a lie and so many people fall in line with it. Its not even natural but its made out to be a better form of human nature.... as if there is more than one.


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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

Children have selfish impulses from the day they are born. This idea of innocence as relayed by the Christians is absurd, ignorance is more accurate. I don't know why other people refrain from sentencing children in most cases, but for me it is a matter of justice and fairness. It is not fair to take a creature who has had zero time to live by their own authority and determine their own truth and hold them accountable for narrative that was spun into their lives largely by other people.

All sentient creatures should have the protection of legal personhood. I don't care if a reptile landed out of space tomorrow and started eating people. If it is self-aware, it shouldn't just be mistreated because it cannot live peacefully within our society. All beings which inhabit a human-like body should be treated as human. We shouldn't exclude people from the equal protection of the law and morality just because they don't tick like we do.

The kid is messed up, but he is human. He is more sadistic than other kids his age, but it isn't like he sat down with a clean slate and just chose to be that way. He had thousands of outside influences guiding him to where he found himself, and he deserves some sympathy.

All criminals deserve some sympathy. No human being is totally a monster, not even people as sick and twisted as Ed Gein. Should a person like Ed Gein be allowed to walk freely among us? Hell no. Should he be executed? I'd prefer not, but if we have no other reasonable alternative and we can do so relatively painlessly, then I guess we do what we have to do. Should a ten year old be automatically treated as if he we some type of sociopath just because he killed one person? I don't think so. I think in all likelihood if you pull back the layers of this kid's life you will find some type of brain washing and abuse that lead up to this behavior or at the very least a pervasive condition of zero parenting whatsoever.

My nephew Damian loves to punch me in the face. He loves to bite, throw things at people's heads. He loves to knock other kids over. If we didn't guide his development, he would naturally turn into a monster. It takes years of guidance to work these hostile impulses out of some people, and if a kid has no parenting, he's going to become monstrous. That is almost inevitable. This is not the fault of the child, but of the society. It is our responsibility to ensure that the next generation has the level of self-governance needed to live peacefully among others. Otherwise, civilization is impossible.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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She lived a long happy life. 90

He will be a slave forever. 10

What would be unfair, is to prosecute him like an adult.
We have laws for idiots like you that want to kill children.
At the most he took 5 years from this woman, he should serve 30? Die too?

Let me give you a shining example of what putting a 15 year old behind bars does.



Pratt was 15 when he shot and killed his next-door neighbor, Michael Anderson, in an Atlantic City apartment building in 1984. He was tried as an adult and convicted of first-degree murder in 1986. He received a 30-year prison sentence and was freed on Friday.

ABC News - 30 years in prison only to kill Mom 2 days after release



Just two days after a convicted murderer had been released from prison, he was arrested and charged in the beating death of his 64-year-old mother, authorities said.


Ya so prison isn't the answer.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: nrd101

I don't know if the age of the victim somehow diminishes his crime, and I don't think that position is morally defensible even if that is somehow logical.

I agree with you about the ineffectiveness of the prison system. Penitence solves nothing. Capital punishment is not a deterrent. If anything it saturates a person in a culture of crime, rape and brutality and expect them to somehow come out capable of returning to a peaceful society. I think that is insanity right there.

Ad hominem? Remember the light shining in the eyes of the other. Attack the ideas, not the vessel if you can.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: Nechash

I have to agree that locking up a 10 year old for life is heavy, irrelevant of the crime. Having said that, children of 10 (if brought up properly) should know the difference between right and wrong. They should understand consequences also. My son is 12 and has ADHD and ASD, he is extremely impulsive however if he were to commit murder, if with these social disorders, and behavioral issues I would want him too be punished. I am unfamiliar with the case your referring to but I think too let ANYONE walk away from murder with no punishment would be to laugh in the face of the morals of people who live by the laws.


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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

I myself noticed the ego change in some souls at the age of ten. They are already at that age the seed of the thing they will become later if allowed to become it. I am also tired of the free ride for ego driven monsters that can rape, bully and abuse people and get away cheaply due to their age. 12-16 year old:s that are to young for the system in my country for the police and social services to do something real about them when they beat people down for their money and phones. Remove the insane ones from the society. And let them prove themselves that they should be allowed to rejoin it society again by their actions.

Societies right to be free from insane ones is greater than the rights for insane ones to allowed to move within society creating madness in society.

a reply to: nrd101
That story kinda in forces what I am saying. Some people do not deserve to be allowed to go free. Maybe he could have become a good citizen if we wasted resources on him but that is another story. First remove the ones who cannot control themselves from society to create a society that do not create as many insane people and then care about those who proved that they have control issues.
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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I think what your saying is ridiculous! So because the lady who was killed was 90 years old, this young man should not be punished? I'm sure that will bring great comfort to her family.

**Murder - The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

I do not believe that they should throw away the key but sometimes people are just not safe. Did you hear of the James Bulgar case ion the UK some 20 years ago? A 2 yr old boy was kidnapped tortured then killed by 2 young boys of about the same age as Tristen. They were were charged and convicted with murder and later went on be released at 18 having been 'rehabilitated'. These lads got new identities etc and I believe one was discovered on more than one occasion to have a computer full of child pornography and the other being quite violent.

As I have said I do not always believe that throwing away the key always is best, especially in a boy so young. Although its likely he knows right from wrong, he may of course be suffering from some sort of mental disorder. He should not be released until everything possible has been done to make certain he would not re offend, whether he be released in 10 years or 60 years.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: nrd101

So because she was 90, her life was worth less than his, so he was somehow free to take her life away from her on a whim and shouldn't be unduly punished for doing so?

Wow ... just wow ...




posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I hear you!

I can accept and respect other people having an opinion to my own, in fact, I welcome it! However, I found those comments disgusting. Is it any wonder these 10 yr olds in our societies have no moral compass if this is the way some are teaching them. ? I would be curious to know what you would think of this if it was your mother (or any other person close to you)

nrd101
I think some people just add posts to some threads to provoke a reaction.



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