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Jehovah's Witnesses: Behind Their Lies

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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc



S&F for such a detailed post. I must admit that I do not know much about JW and thought they were just another 7th Day Adventist type of group. WHat is this "144,000" you mention several times?


The chosen, The blessed ones in revelation. Think of it like the christian version of awoken Buddhas or Yogi that have access to the light/chi and can use it and therefore are en-light-ened. From my point of view all souls can access the light/energy with the right tools and practice (Reiki, Meditation, Prayer or other tool that suits you).
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: LittleByLittle

It's related to the Keys of the Kingdom that Christ gave to Peter. To open Heaven first to the Jews, then (not sure, it's been a LONG time) and then the Gentiles. They become the Bride of Christ in ruling after Armageddon. There's only a handful left.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: nukedog

The Kingdom Halls are often quick builds, built by the congregation, and often decorated outside to mirror the coming "paradise earth". Although some are converted buildings they probably got donated or got really cheap (spending money is not something they like to do, they would rather make it through extorting donations from the JW's and send it to the governing body in Bethel). Theres a KH in my town which doesn't have any fencing but it is hidden away.

Inside there was a hallway, with a couple of private side rooms (with windows into the main room), and the main congregation room. There was an upstairs but I never went there (I was never allowed), I assume there was an office there. There must be quite a lot of admin work for them, as they are a corporate charity after all. But anything else I cannot say.

I never went to Bethel so I have no idea what went on there, and I've lost most interest in JW's so haven't heard much about them in the past few years. But I can say from personal experience they are not very nice people, they are completely fake and only "care" about you to get you hooked in, then once you join that "love" turns into dependence and expectation. They have no regard for the sick, they will force you out to witness if you are in any condition.

As I am an apostate I am also shunned by them, but that suits me fine as I don't have to put up with their bull# any more. Im glad it happened though, because the experience woke me up to how evil and retarded religion really is.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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The lies behind every religion is the way they spend most of the time trying to prve another religion is wrong.

Ultimately theyre all part of one.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Heruactic




P.S: HEY I GOT A GREAT IDEA! Let's create our own religion. We will call it the "Light of Lucifer" or sumthing worse.


No. Just no.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

did you read below that line?



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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My Aunty is a strict JW. I tried to say that without wildly grinning.
She grew up in a relatively normal house with my mum and her brother. None of them are very religious, except when holding a lotto ticket... Anyway, my aunt was unable to have kids but she was always awesome to me as I went up to her house most school holidays for 10 years. In all that time, I probably heard her 'push' me slightly towards god. Something along the lines of 'Do you want to come to church with me? It's actually fun', I on the other hand had fishing to do.

So she has always been harmless towards us. She has some very odd values though. "Oh I can't gamble" she says, yet somehow follows us into the casino... "I can't play" She says because that's gambling. "But I can press the pokie button once you've put in the money, so it's not me gambling". *rolleyes*

Also, she drinks like a fish, and I've seen her have the odd smoke too now I think about it! What I find outrageous is there is a MASSIVE JW conference in Melbourne right now that she has come to visit (I think I heard there will be 50,000 extra JW's this week!). I've a good mind to go and knock on their door at the conference and ask for the smoking/drinking/gambling technicalities.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Qumulys

Being JW doesn't make one immune to sin. Though their sins seem to gain more attention than others.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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Jehovah's witnesses make good test subjects for extremes of blood loss, since they reject transfusions.
This fuels the discoveries of alternatives to transfusions, which are effective (albeit expensive).
Anyone who promotes science, regardless of their motives, has my respect.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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a reply to: Qumulys

Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.

There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.

It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.

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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Sparky63

Also @Intrepid.

Indeed you are both correct that hypocrites are everywhere. In fact I think each and every one of us is a hypocrite in one way or another as much as we try and deny it. I know I yell at my kids for leaving clothes on the floor, but it's occasionally okay for me to do it, because I do all the tidying you see, and it's just every now and then...

We make little self-justifying evolvements of where our principles lie depending on the state of the day. So I get that...

But I just thought the JW thing was pretty happy go lucky (as far as religions go), except the strictness in the drinking and gambling is like a strong core concept. Anyway, my point was, for the most part my aunty is a great laugh and has always been wonderful to me and not tried any of the bullish weird religious shoving that the OP talked of. And yeah, the op sounded like some fantasy dream novel cult, I gave it no credit.


Also, heading over to my mums this weekend to see my aunty who's staying there during the big conference week, the night is already been planned as a few drinks and a round or ten of cards (mum told me to bring my money.....) *rollseyes*
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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: ladyteeny
the JW cult is insidious. i find it ridiculous that supposed grown people can't see that living by the words of someone that lived a mere 100 years ago is utterly wrong.

A lot of people find it ridiculous and insidious that supposed grown people live their lives by the words of someone who supposedly lived 2,000 years ago (you know who) or 1,400 years ago (yes, the other one).



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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I got the creepiest pamphlet the other day from my regular jehovas witnesses that drop by to give me a watchtower or awake, it read in big letters WHY THE WORLD NEEDS ONE GOVERNMENT- i was like wtf? And i didnt look at it until after they had left so couldn't question them, why the hell would they be wanting a one world government? I will have to try and find it to upload it but it doubled up as an invite to their convention..

My grandmother has been a jehovahs witness her whole life so i may have too call her and have a chat with her about it.

I have never noticed anything weird about the religion before, too me they seemed okay, i got dragged too meetings alot as a kid up until about 12 though so would have been too young to notice anything fishy..

That is so creepy though OP i bever expexted anything like that from JW.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: alexball
Jehovah's witnesses make good test subjects for extremes of blood loss, since they reject transfusions.
This fuels the discoveries of alternatives to transfusions, which are effective (albeit expensive).
Anyone who promotes science, regardless of their motives, has my respect.


My mother in law was a jehovas witness when younger, she had a very traumatic childbirth while having my partner and had too have a blood transfusion she was as white as the sheet she was laying against and would have died she lost ao much so she chose to take it, she had too tell them and they were disgusted and made her snd her hisband sit at the back of the kingdom hall thing for meetings and made sure everyone knew why, i think thats a bit unfair ahe was going to die if ahe didn't have it i think she gave up on them not long after that.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: Sparky63
a reply to: Qumulys

Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.

There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.

It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.


I spent the first half of my life trying to be good and was pretty good at it, never smoked, never gambled, never slept with someone I was not married to. Of course I used to have ideas of blowing up buildings and bringing down society, or going on a shooting rampage. The fact is that no matter how hard you try, you can't be good - no one can. There was only one man on Earth who was perfectly good. I only learn't that when I got out of religion and got into Jesus. So the point is to stop trying to do it yourself and let Jesus do it for you. Because even when you don't feel like being good, He does and after a while it even rubs off on you. I don't want to hurt anyone now, quite the opposite I help the hurting when I can and am in the volunteer civil emergency service to protect my community in times of trouble.

The bit about JWS being nice to you just to get you hooked is mostly true.

The not taking blood transfusions is a complicated theological thing based upon Gen 9:4 "But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat" a command given to all humanity and the fact that it is the blood of Jesus that saves you not the blood of another person. There are rumors that Franz introduced this when he had nothing better to do and when it was pointed out all the legal trouble they would have with it, he responded "it will good for the brothers to have trouble, it will make them feel like they are being persecuted". But the thing the forget is this: Matthew 23:16,17 "Woe unto you, ye blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor. Ye fools and blind: for which is greater, the gold, or the temple that hath sanctified the gold?" What is more holy, blood or the life that it sustains? Ask that to the JWs next time they knock at your door and have fun watching them try to process it.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: Cinrad

originally posted by: Sparky63
a reply to: Qumulys

Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.

There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.

It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.


I spent the first half of my life trying to be good and was pretty good at it, never smoked, never gambled, never slept with someone I was not married to. Of course I used to have ideas of blowing up buildings and bringing down society, or going on a shooting rampage. The fact is that no matter how hard you try, you can't be good - no one can. There was only one man on Earth who was perfectly good. I only learn't that when I got out of religion and got into Jesus. So the point is to stop trying to do it yourself and let Jesus do it for you. Because even when you don't feel like being good, He does and after a while it even rubs off on you. I don't want to hurt anyone now, quite the opposite I help the hurting when I can and am in the volunteer civil emergency service to protect my community in times of trouble.

The bit about JWS being nice to you just to get you hooked is mostly true.

The not taking blood transfusions is a complicated theological thing based upon Gen 9:4 "But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat" a command given to all humanity and the fact that it is the blood of Jesus that saves you not the blood of another person. There are rumors that Franz introduced this when he had nothing better to do and when it was pointed out all the legal trouble they would have with it, he responded "it will good for the brothers to have trouble, it will make them feel like they are being persecuted". But the thing the forget is this: Matthew 23:16,17 "Woe unto you, ye blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor. Ye fools and blind: for which is greater, the gold, or the temple that hath sanctified the gold?" What is more holy, blood or the life that it sustains? Ask that to the JWs next time they knock at your door and have fun watching them try to process it.



Oh well this thread is full of long quotes. Too funny though. I'm going to have to write that on my door so I can remember it if the JW come knocking again. I like it.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: ladyteeny
my ex daughter in law was brought up in a JW household too. she was sexually abused from an early age, as were other children who i've since spoken to. she managed to get out of it but when my grandaughter, her daughter, was 4, her mother (a staunch jw advocate) offered to buy her a new car if she rejoined the community. which she did. i've not seen her or my grandaughter since then, 2 years ago, but i worry every single day whether history is repeating itself and i fear what i might do should my fears end up proving to be right.



the JW cult is insidious. i find it ridiculous that supposed grown people can't see that living by the words of someone that lived a mere 100 years ago is utterly wrong. i hate everything about the JW "religion".



i feel for you about being disfellowshipped, it's hard losing your family, but think of it as you're the only one with any real sense
I wonder how many people would choose as an adult to be molested as a kid if they had something to gain for the suffering later on in life? I think your answer will really depend much on your current finiancial security right now.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: odaeio
No "modern" religions respect the creator - they are all commited to his enemy. They all originated from the same source 6 to 8000 years ago. They may have split over the centuries, but all retained the pompous arrogance that man is more intelligent than his creator, and that all of his other creations are "the enemy" of humanity. This was a fiendish plot to destroy all life on this planet permanently - including humans themselves in the end - as can be evidenced by the absolute belief that this doctrine MUST be forcibly hammered into the skull of every human on the Earth. Humanity was co-opted by the creators enemy and turned into a formidable army whose sole purpose is total destruction of life on Earth, an extremely successful strategy, which is being overwhelminging propagated to this very day!
really? They've done a terrible job in that case considering the explosion in the human population.... Unless that was all part of the plan, ya know massively expand the population, destroy the planet through pollution, GMOs kill off entire species of animals, leak nuclear radiation into the oceans and all the rest.... And the wait for BAM! We annihilate each other in a spectacular fireworks show of a nuclear holocaust.... And no I'm not being crass.... Well maybe about the 8000 year old plan by some ambiguous evil to cause us all to kill each other. I hate to say it but IMO Humans are more than capable of hate without the need for some sinister cosmic influence.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: Sparky63
a reply to: Qumulys

Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.

There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.

It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.


Umm you do know the ten commandments and the old law are for the hebrews correct? It states it in the OT who it is for. Your catholic priest made up the 7 deadly sins list themselves which since mentioned in the OT is for once again hebrews. The gentiles were taken out of the old law and live under GRACE ALONE.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
Lovely piece of fiction. Should be in Short Stories. Bullet points:

1- No 16 yo would be chosen to be a MS.
2- The 144,000 were collected from the Jews of Jesus time to now. The "Remnant" are extremely limited.
3- Which Bethel? I've been to one of them. Not that it really matters, it's crap anyways.


People listen to Intrepid, he is right, first he is an ex-witness, so he knows, second he is not a bitter ex-witness with an axe to grind, third he is an ATS MOD with gravitas. The OP is mixing reality with dreams and drugs, and I am not sure in what order.




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