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Witness adds new perspective to Ferguson Shooting

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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

That is my point. You can not call it a false report. It is an unconfirmed rumor. We do not know if Officer Wilson sustained a fractured eye socket or not. Maybe he did not get his eye socket fracture but then maybe he did. That makes the statement a rumor. As of right now there are very few facts, plenty of opinion and a lot hearsay rumors. Just the way life is.




posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

So no proof then?
That is what I thought, all you have is speculation.
Brown was a known criminal LOL, why cause of the one video?



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: feldercarb

Well when I said that I was referencing the artilce that came out trying to report it as a fact that he had the fracture,even going as far as putting a xray showing one. I know I did not make that clear, my mistake.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Okay, fine.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

No silly it was not because of a video. It was because he was black.
perhaps thats a bad joke but the truth is that he did have a criminal history and the officer had a history of good job performance.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick




www.ksdk.com...


I am sorry but you are incorrect, he did not have a criminal background.
He had one incident that doesn't look great, guess he deserves to die.

And wilson might have a clean record form 2010 on, but no one knows about anything prior since their complaints were not kept in their personnel file.
Wonder if he has any incidents that were kept in house tho?



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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First -
Witnesses
You can take 30 people and put them all in a circle facing inward. 2 people in the middle can stage a mock fight / murder.
Interviewing the 30 witnesses will give you inconsistent statements, depending on where the person was standing and where the 2 people fighting were doing at that moment.

Some will see things others do not.
Some will perceive action as one thing and someone else another.

Second -
Totality of Circumstances
When reviewing use of force you cannot start where the force occurred. People also must consider all of the events that led up to the use of force. If there was an altercation inside the car the suspect demonstrated his willingness to fight with law enforcement. If the suspect tried to get the officers gun, that must be taken into account. The suspects physical stats must be taken into account. The level of resistance in the car must be taken into account. The fact there was 2 people present must be taken into account (even if the 2nd person did not engage the officer, his presence can still impact the officers use of force = 2 on 1).

SCOTUS requirement on judging an officer's use of force -
What did the officer perceive the moment deadly force was used.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Or while the two people are in the car, the officer says, "Listen N-word, I can blow you away any time I want and get a week paid leave, what's it gonna be?"

Just thought you should put the other side up for consideration as well.

P



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: feldercarb
a reply to: Sremmos80

How do you know that the orbital fracture report was false. All I have heard is that someone claimed to work for the hospital where the X-Ray was taken saying that there was no fracture. Did the person who made this conclusion have the medical training to "read" an X-Ray? Please produce more information before labeling this fracture as false. Also, X-Rays are not that good at determining fractures. X-Rays will show gross or substantial fractures but may not show hairline or small fractures. You usually get an MRI or other scan which are more reliable.


Right-Wing Media Caught In Another Lie As Darren Wilson Did Not Suffer An Eye Fracture

Jim Hoft’s Unsourced Claim That Officer Darren Wilson Had an “Orbital Blowout Fracture of the Eye Socket”

Go to link for pics mentioned in post.


here is the original image posted at the AAPOS site, showing a CT scan of a blowout fracture (on the left), compared to the image posted at Gateway Pundit by Hoft (on the right): Original example CT scan (L), compared to altered image posted by Jim Hoft (R) Notice the difference? In the version posted by Jim Hoft, the text at bottom right that says “UNIV OF IOWA” has been crudely erased. Caught you, Jim


So there is your answer.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: Xcathdra

Or while the two people are in the car, the officer says, "Listen N-word, I can blow you away any time I want and get a week paid leave, what's it gonna be?"

Just thought you should put the other side up for consideration as well.

P


No issues with that at all. Like I stated in my post though if.

secondly using the N word does not justify an assault on LEO just as a person calling a cop names does not justify an assault on the suspect.

In Missouri law enforcement cannot have its "peace" disturbed. We are required by Supreme court ruling to have "thicker skin" when it comes to issues like that.

For what it is worth the reason I didnt go down the other road is because people on this site generally only hover on that side. I try to explain the leo side.

as it goes -
There is his story and his story and somewhere in the middle is the truth.

Based on all available info I dont see an indictment. However, if it does happen I dont see a conviction.
edit on 16-10-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Note: First I don't know if Hoft started the rumor or was just passing along a rumor with phony pictures. Here is a quote reporting what Mr. Lemon said;



However, on CNN Thursday, Don Lemon reported that Wilson did not suffer a fractured or broken eye socket and was rather treated at the hospital for swelling around his face and eyes. Noting that that specific injury has not been reported by CNN, “but is making its way around other media organization,” Lemon cited a “source close to the investigation” who told CNN that Wilson’s x-rays came back negative for a fractured eye socket.

“That source says it is not true, at all, he did not have a torn eye socket,” Lemon said. “Unequivocally.”


Taken from here:

CNN Contradicts Fox

Second, like I have said before there is no evidence either way. Who is Mr. Lemon's unnamed source? Does this person have the medical background to "read" the results from an X-Ray? All we have is an unnamed source that can not be confirmed. Mr. Lemon is reported to have said X- Ray and also "not to have a torn eye socket". Well an X-Ray is not the definitive test for a fracture and it sloppy reporting to not correct the report and say fracture if you mean fracture instead of a tear or TORN eye socket. Sloppy reporting on both sides.

As far as walking around, Officer Wilson may not have been in discomfort due to all the adrenaline in his system due to the altercation. I have no ideal how long it would take to come down off of that adrenaline rush. Also, that video does not show a close up of Officer Wilson's face so we have to take the word of eyewitnesses. It would be nice if the video could be zoomed onto the face of Officer Wilson. Note, in the Lemon report the person says that Officer Wilson was treated for swelling around the face and eyes. Thus, that kinda contradicts the claims made in the video showing Officer Wilson walking around. Need to get the doctors who treated Officer Wilson before anything can be definitely determined.

Edit Addition: When was Officer Wilson seen. Need a time stamp on when he was examined at the Hospital. How much time was there between the shooting and the examination. How much time was there between Officer Wilson leaving the scene of the altercation and arriving at the Hospital. That would be important information to know.
edit on 17-10-2014 by feldercarb because: Added addition.



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: feldercarb

So what are you are saying.."despite there being no proof of having an eye injury, I believe it to be true"

Despite there being statements and alternative proof there was no injury..you will not be happy until someone comes along and validates your belief.



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: Onslaught2996

Actually I thought about this some more and would not be surprised if both reports are true. This is me just speculating but I would not be surprised if this actually occurred.

First, Mr. Lemon's source could be the some type of information specialist at the hospital where Officer Wilson was seen in the ER. It would be true that the eye socket was not seen as broken or torn on an X-Ray and Officer Wilson was treated for bruises, cuts and swelling. What would not have been reported to Mr. Lemon and CNN is that the attending doctor as part of his prescription recommended that Officer Wilson see some type of facial specialist/ plastic surgeon. Remember the job of an attending physician is to get people out of the ER as fast as possible. Officer Wilson's injuries would not have been diagnosed as life threatening or potentially harmful and thus Officer Wilson would have been shown the door as soon as possible.

Officer Wilson then makes an appointment with the specialist/plastic surgeon. The appointment would not be until at least a week later. The specialist/plastic surgeon's office would inform Officer Wilson that at least a day before his appoint that he should get either an MRI or CT Scan. The office for the specialist/plastic surgeon would then ask where would be convenient and set up the appointment for either the MRI or CT Scan. Officer Wilson gets the MRI or CT Scan performed and then goes to see the specialist/plastic surgeon. The specialist/plastic surgeon informs Officer Wilson that he has a fracture or fractures of the eye socket. The specialist/plastic surgeon then informs Officer Wilson that he may experience from time to time mild to moderate pain and some temporary side affects due to fracture for a few weeks. Officer Wilson tells somebody that he has a fracture and this information gets to the right wing blogger who adds a CT Scan example either by accident or purposely insinuating that the image is from the actual test performed on Officer Wilson.

An X-Ray is good at showing a break which is like having your china chipped. An MRI or CT Scan may be able to show a fracture which would be more like a crack in your china. Thus, both reports are factually true but they are incomplete. Neither gives enough information to provide an accurate portrayal of the officer's condition. Thus, and this is my speculation, Officer Wilson did not sustain a major injury but he also did not come out of the altercation unscathed.



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Found this via Yahoo News. Same story with the strange addition that the Witness is from Ohio.

Michael Brown Shooting



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: feldercarb

Why is it strange that he is from ohio?
The idea of someone traveling is strange to you?



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

No, more that they added that tidbit to the story. Just does not seem to be worth adding.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: Orwells Ghost

I would publicly want to remain anonymous too, I wouldn't want to get lynched by the double standard, hypocritical, protect me from crime but don't you dare hurt said criminals feelings, racist Ferguson MO residents either.



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