iPad of Satan

Imagine that you are a member of one of those indigenous hunter gatherer tribes that live in places like Papua New Guinea or whatever. You have never seen a person from the civilized world, nor have you ever come in contact with anything from the civilized world whatsoever, you haven't even seen an airplane cross the sky. Now, I don't know it this exists, but if it doesn't then imagine it anyway.

And then one day a group of men from the civilized world come wandering through your part of the rain forest.

And they show you an iPad. And demonstrate with an HD video.

Imagine how mind-blowing that must be for you. I doubt we can. I wonder if it is like looking straight into hell.

I actually heard on some podcast somewhere that a similar thing happened. Not sure if it was an iPad but I think it was. He said that one of the indigenous people died of a shock as a result. (I searched for the story but couldn't find it.) The reason we don't comprehend that is probably because we are so desensitized. No wonder they had to make a 9/11 to make people stop and think.

For some reason I feel that Tool goes well with this story.

Take a while to let this sink in.



Another thing that comes to mind when I think about this story is this. This tribe might never have been across the ocean. They might even live so deep in the woods that they've never been to the ocean shore. And even if they have they might only have travelled to some small island not very far away. Imagine then that this group of men from the civilized world pops onto the scene. They must be like total extraterrestrial aliens to them. And when you think about it it's really not that far off as a comparison. The world really has shrunk. Just imagine what it must have been like when the first photographs were produced. How mind blowing that must have been. Prior to that you just had text, painted pictures and people bringing stuff with them and talking about places they'd been. A museum all of sudden sounds a lot more awe-inspiring.

a reply to: introspectionist

Not sure if it was an iPad but I think it was. He said that one of the indigenous people died of a shock as a result.

Then the rest probably died of diseases we all have immunity for and they don't.

"How about a little fire Scarecrow?" --The Wicked Witch from The Wizard of Oz.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: introspectionist

Not sure if it was an iPad but I think it was. He said that one of the indigenous people died of a shock as a result.

Then the rest probably died of diseases we all have immunity for and they don't.

"How about a little fire Scarecrow?" --The Wicked Witch from The Wizard of Oz.

Maybe. But that doesn't change my point.

a reply to: introspectionist

I always loved tool as a teenager. I remember coughing my brains out, casting a betrayed look at the cigarette as if it were the root cause of the burning in my lungs. Nice communication. ;p

sure some are mind blown until they found out what it is.

Many *untouched* tribes sadly wear modern clothing. Deforestation has caused the borders were these aborginies live have become subject to massive clear cutting.

the tribes are actually very aware of the modern world and what it wants.
That's why its dangerous for people to travel around there without guides because natives will kill you.

The problem with technology, and the reason why there are so many neo-Luddites out there, is because Enlightenment ideals have grown into a mask to cover up the soullessness of Modernism. Yup - modernism without the enlightenment mask becomes technological nihilism.

Though I disagree with Dugin on a number of matters, I have a sentimentally positive reaction to his commentaries on hunter gatherer tribes and the contrast with technologically advanced civilisations. I mention Dugin because he is relevant to what I think the OP is conveying.

There's another idea that I have been pondering for a while that for some reason feels quite connected to this story. And that is the similarity between psychedelic drugs and written language. The former are molecules that enter your perception through the gateway of chosen mode of administration, the latter are beams of light which reflect on ink on paper and then enter your perception through the gateway of your eyes. Other than that the similarities are many. I have earlier described how I see a similarity between 9/11 and what avant-garde art can do. This is probably the reason I think about this in this context. An iPad to a hunter gatherer is not that different from 9/11, avant-garde art or psychedelic drugs. Satan was Lucifer, the light bearer, wasn't he? Fine line between madness and genius they say.

A gramophone record, the musical idea, the written notes, and the sound-waves, all stand to one another in the same internal relation of depicting that holds between language and the world.

Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus by Ludwig Wittgenstein

I think our modern, media fuelled fear of alien or extraterrestrial technology might be intuitive then... we know it would be a huge shock to our systems to be forced too quickly down the tech path.

I remember the first days of the internet becoming useful and was utterly blown away by the connectivity it provided, straight from one mind to another, and that I felt almost a dizziness off the experience.

Ever seen "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? ... even a coke bottle can cause an upheaval.

a reply to: introspectionist

This tribe might never have been across the ocean. They might even live so deep in the woods that they've never been to the ocean shore. And even if they have they might only have travelled to some small island not very far away. Imagine then that this group of men from the civilized world pops onto the scene.

Ever see "The Gods Must Be Crazy"?

Then theres the story of WWII and the jungle natives that saw an airplane for the first time. The men that landed and got out were Gods to them. After all they could fly. When the men left the natives built a replica of the plane out of sticks and prayed to the gods that they might see their monument and return one day.

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Link to cargo cults

originally posted by: AnuTyr
sure some are mind blown until they found out what it is.

Many *untouched* tribes sadly wear modern clothing. Deforestation has caused the borders were these aborginies live have become subject to massive clear cutting.

the tribes are actually very aware of the modern world and what it wants.
That's why its dangerous for people to travel around there without guides because natives will kill you.

You make it sound so mundane, where I was trying to make people see the profound in the situation. As I said, I doubt we even can.

What's so interesting about an HD video on an iPad is that it might be of people. Seeing a quite clear image of people moving on a screen like that and with sound to it - or just the thing in itself for that matter, to me that seems like it must be like looking straight into the abyss.

a reply to: introspectionist

Once transfixed how do you look away? Everywhere out is screen, that leaves only in. How? To what end? If I wanted someone to stop watching a TV set, I'd just shut the thing off. ;p

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: introspectionist

This tribe might never have been across the ocean. They might even live so deep in the woods that they've never been to the ocean shore. And even if they have they might only have travelled to some small island not very far away. Imagine then that this group of men from the civilized world pops onto the scene.

Then theres the story of WWII and the jungle natives that saw an airplane for the first time. The men that landed and got out were Gods to them. After all they could fly. When the men left the natives built a replica of the plane out of sticks and prayed to the gods that they might see their monument and return one day.

That's both funny and profound at the same time, and somewhat disturbing too.

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: introspectionist

Once transfixed how do you look away? Everywhere out is screen, that leaves only in. How? To what end? If I wanted someone to stop watching a TV set, I'd just shut the thing off. ;p

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. But it sounds amazingly mind blowing.

a reply to: introspectionist

Yeah but lucifer is a christian story. An adaptation of all the serpent worship that is evident in ancient and current society.

Snakes were chosen as the icon of evil, Because like many christian reprisentations of lions and other big cats. They hunt snakes. So the reference is clearly made.



Speaking of a religion that is less than 2000 years old, in a time just after greeks settled Egypt. I don't think anyone would be surprised by the reference to apep.

Apep

Apep (/ˈæˌpɛp/ or /ˈɑːˌpɛp/) or Apophis (/ˈæpəfɨs/; Ancient Greek: Ἄποφις; also spelled Apepi or Aapep) was an evil god in ancient Egyptian religion depicted as a snake/serpent and a dragon, the deification of darkness and chaos (ı͗zft in Egyptian), and thus opponent of light and Ma'at (order/truth), whose existence was believed from the 8th Dynasty (mentioned at Moalla) onwards. His name is reconstructed by Egyptologists as *ʻAʼpāpī, as it was written ꜥꜣpp(y) and survived in later Coptic as Ⲁⲫⲱⲫ Aphōph.[1] Apep is honored in the names of the 14th Dynasty king 'Apepi and of the Greater Hyksos king Apophis.

Spitting Upon Apep
Defiling Apep with the Left Foot
Taking a Lance to Smite Apep
Fettering Apep
Taking a Knife to Smite Apep
Putting Fire Upon Apep

*Fire be upon thee Apep
Ra Maketh thee to Burn
Thou who art Hateful Unto him
Ra Pierceth thy head
He cutteth through thy Face
Ra Melteth Thine Countenance
Lo Your Skull is crushed in his Hand
Thy Bones are smashed in pieces

Burn thou fiend
Before the fire of the Eye of Ra
The Hidden One hath overthrown thy Words
The Gods have turned thy face backwards
Thy Skull is Ripped from Thy Spine

Thy Lynx hath torn open thy Breast
The Scorpion hath cast Fetters open thee
Maat Hath Sent forth thy Destruction
Thou Shalt Burn

The God Aker hath condemned thee to the Flames

Fire be upon thee Apep
Thou enemy of Ra
Let Flames Gnaw into thee
And Sear Thy Flesh
Fall Down Apep
I hath Set Torch Upon thee
Taste thou Death Apep
The Burning is upon you
Thou art consumed
I hath Lain Fire upon thee
I hath Smeared thy Remains with Excrement
I hath Spat on thine Ashes
Taste Thou Death*



The underlining theme here is beasts vs serpents(dragons)
I'm sure you can find countering religions. Actually the main portions of the religious battles back in the day were over which animal house would reprisent the supereme deities. This is known because many of the elder gods have been depicted in more than one animal form. Ra is depicted as a lion previously before becoming a bird. And just like how Anubis and Osiris struggled for the throne of the Underworld, Osiris is the readaptation of Anubis to personify a more human deity, There is the bull and the ram as well. Both also depicted for Ra and for horus, Which horus came after Osiris. Neither of these attributes existed in original *Egyptian* But were actually carried over when babylon controlled it between 2000-1500 BC, So many of the remains from the *old dynasty* were from Summarians. Tho the wolf headed man and the lion man have existed there as gods worshipped even before the *Old Dynasty*.

Suposedly there is an order of priests that have been living there the whole time during all of this. During the capture from babylon, During the time travellers visited such *magical and lost places beyond the sands* Such as the tales of heroditus who lived there during some time where upon he too meet with some mysterious priests, Just as Alexander had before he became the leader of Egypt for a time.

Anyways, Not sure what Apipe has to do with all this technology unless you are saying reptillians gave us the i-pad in order for us to obtain knowledge of APPs. But i guess anything is possible right?

originally posted by: alexball
The problem with technology, and the reason why there are so many neo-Luddites out there, is because Enlightenment ideals have grown into a mask to cover up the soullessness of Modernism. Yup - modernism without the enlightenment mask becomes technological nihilism.

Though I disagree with Dugin on a number of matters, I have a sentimentally positive reaction to his commentaries on hunter gatherer tribes and the contrast with technologically advanced civilisations. I mention Dugin because he is relevant to what I think the OP is conveying.

I am very interested in the Enlightenment. I am of the view that the Enlightenment has led to the soullessness that you speak of, but that there is another dimension to it, that it is a stepping stone to something else. I have written a little bit about this, for example I wrote that I don't think America was hi-jacked but rather everything is going according to plan. I wrote a thing today that is very relevant to this:

(don't mind the tone...)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you watch the video I embedded, the stuff they talk about might actually be quite connected to this. They talk about changes in the DNA.

Another thing that comes to mind is Karl Marx's ideas about how the world develops from capitalism to socialism to communism. Possibly connected to the DNA that they speak about in 46 and 2. Ever since my spiritual awakening I have been contemplating the relationship between evil and enlightenment.

a reply to: introspectionist

I have been With People in the Atlas Mountains in North Africa where some of the People have never seen white People.

I had a Ipad With me and they just vondered for 30 Seconds about what it was and than paid no more attention to it.

They didnt even care about Money. I gave one of these People a 100 dallers bill for helping me. The person just looked at the papper and threw it away like it was trash.

They looked at my watch and wondered what it was. When i told them what it was they paid no more attention to it.

The only real thing these People were interested in was my back pack and my chocolate bars after they goten a taste.


In Afghanistand i met People With the same attitude. They didnt really care for Our Technology because it had no practical use for them. This was in 1998.

a reply to: introspectionist

That makes two of us. ;p

When you think about the karma an iPad traces, you might wonder if Satan isn't such a strange word choice. However, the right and wrong of it is a philosophical discussion. I can see the point of having a "may the strongest win" approach to the world, it might even be inevitable, the only way evolution can and will happen. But I don't know anything. I do think that we pretty much have a form of Nazism globally and always had.

a reply to: introspectionist

I seem to remember some descriptions of uncontacted tribes and their encounters with technology. The electronic toys were seen as neat tricks but didn't really catch their imagination as much as one might imagine.

What did? Steel. They were very impressed and covetous of good quality metal tools and materials. The tools were something whose purpose they understood but whose manufacture they knew they couldn't remotely equal and whose properties were completely alien.

For us, I guess, it would like be extraterrestrials who had personal nanotube/plasma manipulators and could make anything they wanted out of them---and for ET that was boring thousand year old technology.

OP: It's like in Chariots of the Gods. The author said that to "primitive" people, machines would seem godlike. So they misinterpreted early astronauts as gods.

One poster mentioned The Gods Must Be Crazy with the Coke bottle. I'm glad there's still some communities not controlled by TPTB, although I'm sure they're working to cause their extinction by deforestation and introducing modern miracles like food additives and pollution.