Turkey began bombing kurdish rebels !

So the turks can bomb the kurds but won't touch isis.Is this a reliable nato ally?

I know people hate religious prophecy, but a few years ago a woman on here said that Turkey would lead the Caliphate in the battle of armageddon... seems more likely now!

People just love making bible prophecy come true

So much ignorance displayed on this thread .... tsk tsk tsk .

PKK is a marxist - leninist terrorist organisation who have been killing innocent people for over a 30 years period .

40000 innocent human beings have been killed by PKK .(Mostly Kurdish Turks)

So Turks go after a prominent terrorist organisation and some users in this thread wants Turks bombed by USA !!!

Current Turkish Parliament has over 150 Kurdish MPs and Ministers .

About ISIS and Turkey ; Turks interest isn't the same with ISIS at all . Turkish Democracy is a mortal enemy of ISIS and what it represents .
Turks supported Free Syrian Army and they still do . ISIS attacked Free Syrian Army with the help of Syrian Kurds who by the way are now being killed by same ISIS .

Turks want secular democracies in the Arab world because it is good for ALL nations in the world.

Turks and Kurds will not fight one another , neither of them are THAT stupid .

a reply to: 23432

Perhaps people are confusing the PKK with the PUK? I was neck deep in Baghdad and even I took time to know the difference. Watching (and reading) thousands of miles from conflict might require longer times to get to know the information.

Let's face it, many Americans first response is "bomb them" followed shortly thereafter by "cut their funding". It doesn't make a lot of sense but that's how knee jerk reactions work most of the time.

Watching the Turkish tanks sit there while Kurds are murdered (and knowing that in a few months Turkey will be asking for our help) tends to make one's blood boil.

a reply to: 23432
Slow down there Erdogan. Turkey was the one that broke their cease fire.

Turkey could have used the situation as a 'common enemy' type of ground to make some sort of further peace with the Kurds, but instead they use the time to do what IS is doing: kill Kurds.

I think it its important to remember the Kurds are not one group. They belong to several factions who have a history of not getting along. For example Iran has been cooperation with the Kurds in Iraq but, at the same fighting the Kurds in Iran. The PKK in Turkey is seperate group with a long history of terrorism not just in Turkey but, across Europe. NATO has designated the PKK as a terrorist group. They have done all the normale terror stuff including suicide bomnings. The PKK was long a Marxist-Lenonist group. Until 1999 when one of its leaders was arrested and it dropped the Marxist stuff to become more appealing to the West. So of couse Turkey sees the PKK as much more of a threat than ISIS. Turkey in fact has little fear of ISIS and is so sure ISIS will fll that Turkeys main concern is what happens next?

A huge flow of weapons to the PKK? Iran/Syria arming the PKK as they have in the past? And yes is normal in the region to arm the Kurds in other countries while fighting your own. Generaly the Kurds in one group see Kurds in other groups as rivals.

The entire problem with this conflct is that the sides are so complex. If we help take out ISIS are we going to be left with a more powerful AlQuida whom ISIS has been putting down. Is Iran going to have more influence over Iraq? Will Syria be able to take out the FSA and Syrian Kurds and arm the PKK? Turkey is simply going to do whatever it has to do to secure Turkey.

And as NATO recognises the PKK as a terror group, they are completely in their rights to hit the PKK. Just as the US hit Al-Nusra Front and Khorasan Group positions in Syria even though they are also fighting ISIS.

Honestly this conflict is just far to complex for most people to understand.

originally posted by: Ridhya
Turkey was the one that broke their cease fire.

Incorrect.

Per the cease fire agreement, the PKK was to remove all of there forces from Turkey to northern Iraq.

If Turkey was bombing PKK inside Turkey, than PKK would have broken the agreement first.

Certainly there are complex issues here. But they basically revolve around the Kurds fighting for what they perceive as oppression by Turkey and other powers in the area.

That’s understood…this historical situation is nothing new.
BUT ISIS IS NEW!

And their barbarism: murdering woman and children; forcing their twisted version of religion on people:

Attacking sovereign countries and vulnerable innocent people

Whatever any of these Kurds have done in their fight for freedom IT DOESN’T REMOTELY APPROACH WHAT ISIS IS DOING.

Can’t that thick headed fool Erdagon understand that?

He would understand it if ISIS were murdering Turks.

The world is trying to unite against a vicious group of mass murderers in this instance and whatever ones political leanings are the destruction of this plaque is paramount and here people have to learn to put their interests aside in order to deal with this menace

a reply to: Willtell

What's the difference between the Taliban, ISIS, drone bombing families, be headings, al Qaeda, saddam, any of it?

How is anything isis is doing new?

a reply to: onequestion

It’s concentrated evil…though you make a good point but ISIS is pretty bad.

I think people would understand that better if they were a victim of this savagery.
Sure the leaders of the countries like the US, UK, Israel, Turkey and what they do is bad as well but its just not as bad…it’s a matter of degrees.
Also since it is apparent that some of the above countries have sponsored ISIS and leach off what they do in that sense they are just as bad

a reply to: Willtell

From what the marines I was stationed with in the military have told me non of this is new or impressive.

What your reacting to is the propaganda machines. They have been pouring acid and setting kids on fire for decades.

Your fighting a symptom of the disease.

The cause of the disease starts in the way these people think and fighting a war against them is only going to encourage it.

Turkey closed an eye to European ISIS recruits flowing through with non-legit documentation and dubious motives - in mass. Turkey contributed to the ISIS problem with the go-ahead of the US government back when ISIS was just one of America's allies against Bashar Al Assad.

The game may have changed, but not that much.

a reply to: onequestion

Youre espousing a theory, it’s they who started these wars.


What did the peaceful Yezidis do to deserve what these barbarians did to them?

Your making a simple reality complex.

When the basic evil of this group is dealt with then we can afford to deal with the nuances,

I do agree that ultimately the Bush and Cheney group is responsible for this mess.

a reply to: Willtell

I'm theorizing any marine who's served in Iraq or Afghanistan will tell you they have been brutalizing themselves for decades Isis is nothing hell I am willing to bet that they are embraced in many areas as an alternative to the us presence because of how al Qaeda and the Taliban have tortured them blown them up and set their kids on fire for something as little as receiving medical aid from the enemy.

a reply to: onequestion

Nobody is disagreeing with you that evil and barbarism is new.

And if it were up to me I would deal with those other religious tyrants as ISIS is dealt with

But this world is not into what just, right or fair...

If this world was based on any degree of justice and not might makes right, after this sad episode of this tragedy of the people in Iraq and Syria there would be a Nuremburg type trial of the rats who started this mess and maintain it:

On the dock would be:

George Bush
Dick Cheney

And all the leaders of the countries now involved in this disaster including the leaders of Turkey and the Gulf State tyrants and Assad of Syria and many others.

But this world has no justice
So there is no peace

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: 23432

Perhaps people are confusing the PKK with the PUK? I was neck deep in Baghdad and even I took time to know the difference. Watching (and reading) thousands of miles from conflict might require longer times to get to know the information.

Let's face it, many Americans first response is "bomb them" followed shortly thereafter by "cut their funding". It doesn't make a lot of sense but that's how knee jerk reactions work most of the time.

Watching the Turkish tanks sit there while Kurds are murdered (and knowing that in a few months Turkey will be asking for our help) tends to make one's blood boil.

There is confusion in the air and smoke on the ground , wolf likes it just fine .

Civilian Kurds of Kobani are fine at the moment , they are by and large in Turkey. Some of those Kurdish fighters in Kobani are also the same Kurds who have sent suicide bombers to Turkish cities in the past. Now they need heavy guns and Turks don't like it when their allies want to supply heavy weapons to known terrorist group. Does that make sense ?

Turks are not watching ALL the Kurds get murdered because Turks have actually sent weapons to Barzani of Kurdistan .

In all fairness , without removing the Esad regime , removing ISIS alone is not going to end the problems in the area .

Turks don't want to go into this fight alone . After all it is most possibly the Turkish cities which will get hit with Chemical and Biological weapons .

Turks already asked for 3 things :

1 No Fly Zone
2 Safe Havens
3 Regime Change

US AND UK are dithering at the moment , if they agree to these terms , ISIS will be gone in a year or two and it will be replaced by democracy & capitalism friendly regime who has no outstanding beef with " west " .

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: 23432
Slow down there Erdogan. Turkey was the one that broke their cease fire.

Turkey could have used the situation as a 'common enemy' type of ground to make some sort of further peace with the Kurds, but instead they use the time to do what IS is doing: kill Kurds.

Turks are in peace process with Kurds of Turkey . Besides these Syrian Kurds dont particularly want peace with Turkey either .
ISIS kills a lot of people most of which are muslims and Kurds are no exceptions .

Kurds of Syria still have a claim of land from Turkey , you obviously are not aware of this fact .

So you(Turks) have a neighbour(Syrians) who have been sending suicide bombers to your house and claims to own your living room and kitchen . These animosities aren't new to you . Your grandpa had to put up with this idiot of a neighbour too .

Suddenly other idiots also goes ballistic (ISIS) and wants to kill your neighbour(Syrian Kurds) who have been KILLING you with terrorism .

You are saying under these circumstances , the Turks should unite with Syrian Kurds who have been suicide bombing Turkish cities for a decade or two .

Seriously ?

Would Israel unite with Palestinians who were suicide bombing them ?

I bet the moment Bunyamin announce a policy change , Erdogan would also follow suit too .

a reply to: MrSpad

With all that said the timing of this does seem a little off. Using ISIS as a means to tactically strike at the PKK, now?

Is this a two birds with one stone kind of thing?

originally posted by: Willtell

Whatever any of these Kurds have done in their fight for freedom IT DOESN’T REMOTELY APPROACH WHAT ISIS IS DOING.

So those 40000 human beings who were killed by Kurds how ?
Humanely ?

Mass shootings of unarmed men , women , children == PKK Kurds did it before ISIS .
Suicide Bombings in cities == PKK Kurds did it before ISIS .
Torture and Beheading == PKK Kurds did it before ISIS .


draw your own conclusions .

originally posted by: Chronogoblin
Turkey wants nothing more than to be the Caliphate. So, it will help to 'destabilize' the current one, and align itself with actions that promote such. All in an attempt to be the only game in town.

Ottoman Turks went to war in Syria & Egypt to get the title of Caliph from Mamluk Empire.It is only natural for such an event to re-occur.
History does tend to repeat itself.